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    Will There Be A 7 Year Tribulation? Probably Not!

    Ah! But you are ASSUMING that they are NOT in order. I am convinced they ARE. Why would they NOT be in order? God writes it as history, as if it is already done. History is usually written in Chronological order. Unless one can PROVE by the very scriptures that they are NOT in order, then the...
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    The Calling of the 144,000

    Veteran, I remain astounded that you can read a verse and come up with a totally different idea that I do. What did John call these 144,000? Revelation 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These...
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    The abomination of desolation

    Sorry, but God disagrees with you. They are "holy" on CREDIT. Their names are written in heaven ON CREDIT. As I said, those that flee into the wilderness are NOT YET SAVED. They still believe Jesus was an IMPOSTOR! They do not believe until they SEE Him. But, they love the Lord, just as Jews in...
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    Will There Be A 7 Year Tribulation? Probably Not!

    Since John DID number the seals, trumpets, vials and woes, we should ASSUME that the rest is in order also. Not to mention his transitional phrases like, "after these things." A close study then reveals that they ARE IN ORDER! God did not write Revelation to confuse us; it is a revealing. The...
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    are we in the middle of the 6th seal?

    For the readers: Anyone that can read, can find Jesus returning to the earth, in Revelation 19. This is AFTER those days of great tribulation. Anyone that can read, can read Rev. 12:6 and see the woman (those living in Judea) fleeing into the wilderness, EXACTLY what Jesus told them to do...
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    The abomination of desolation

    Of course this is true, when speaking OF THE CHURCH. But the Jews (Hebrews) living in Jerusalem during the 70th week have rejected Jesus as the Messiah, just as most of their ancestors have done since Jesus rose from the dead. They are NOT a part of the church. They are descendants of Jacob...
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    Will There Be A 7 Year Tribulation? Probably Not!

    I disagree with all prewrath theories, because those theories require rearranging John's God given Chronology. When John went to the trouble of numbering the seals, the trumpets, the vials, and the woes, and then writes of each IN SEQUENCE, why would one even begin to think that John would have...
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    Will There Be A 7 Year Tribulation? Probably Not!

    Veteran, GOOD argument!! Coop
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    The abomination of desolation

    Surely you jest!! How do I know it is not abut the church? Daniel wrote this perhaps 550 BC, LONG before the church even existed. It was written by a JEW. (Hebrew.) It was written TO Jews (Hebrews.) It would be silly for anyone to think it would be FOR anyone else BUT the Jews (Hebrews.) Dan...
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    The Calling of the 144,000

    Except....do we read it this way? Matthew 24 16Then let them which be in North America flee into the mountains: no no, that is not what it says!! 16Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: This is a specific instruction for those living in Judea. For those that are born...
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    The Calling of the 144,000

    I guess Jesus talked in Metaphors too: Mat 24 15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) 16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: 17 Let him which is on the...
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    The abomination of desolation

    Very simple: God does. Rev. 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child. This is not about the church. Same people: Dan 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he...
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    The abomination of desolation

    Titus 3:9-11 reads the same when I read it, as it does when you read it. It is not that I don't understand what you post, it is that about the only thing I can believe that you post is the scriptures themselves. Coop
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    The abomination of desolation

    The truth is, if we obey God and BELIEVE in Jesus the SON, and confess Him as Lord, the Holy Spirit will dwell IN US. Coop
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    The abomination of desolation

    At Cornelius' house, when the Holy Spirit fell on all - did they all "obey" Him? If so, in what way? In Acts 19, did they all "obey" Him? And if so, in what way? In Acts 8, did all those in Samaria "obey" Him, when Philip preached to them? If so, in what way? Coop
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    The abomination of desolation

    PLEASE research Antiochus Epiphanes and see what he did at the temple in Jerusalem, and then how he treated the Jews. That was a TRUE abomination with desolations that followed. He was a TYPE of the Beast that is to come; meaning the Beast of Revelation, as the anti-type will do VERY SIMILAR...
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    The abomination of desolation

    You are blinded by doctrines of devils. But if you WANT to be left behind, to face the Beast, I am quite sure God will honor your faith. It is not God's plan that we "tribulate." He will take those that BELIEVE in the rapture, to our mansions in the sky, while YOU tribulate. I suspect the...
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    The abomination of desolation

    You are sure welcome to stay. I really believe that those that WANT to stay, will be left behind. It may well be that the rapture will be "by faith" just as everything else we get from heaven. It is written that He comes for those LOOKING for His coming. Coop
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    The abomination of desolation

    Is this verse "forever?" Of course it is not. It is for the church age, which ENDS with the rapture. Of course God could have chosen to take people off the planet as soon as they were born again. But then, who would tell others? WE are His body on the earth; so of course He would not remove us...
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    The abomination of desolation

    The oil in the lamps is to represent the Holy Spirit as a seal in our spirit, and our guarantee of heaven. (Eph 4:30) It should be very obvious that the five foolish virgins did not have this seal. Jesus said He did not know them. Then again, they had not been "watching." The parable preceeding...
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