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Desire to be a vessel of honor unto the Lord Jesus Christ?
Join For His Glory for a discussion on how
https://christianforums.net/threads/a-vessel-of-honor.110278/
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Taking the time to pray? Christ is the answer in times of need
https://christianforums.net/threads/psalm-70-1-save-me-o-god-lord-help-me-now.108509/
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Depending upon the Holy Spirit for all you do?
Read through the following study by Tenchi for more on this topic
https://christianforums.net/threads/without-the-holy-spirit-we-can-do-nothing.109419/
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How are famous preachers sometimes effected by sin?
Join Sola Scriptura for a discussion on the subject
https://christianforums.net/threads/anointed-preaching-teaching.109331/#post-1912042
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The Process Of Justification
This has nothing to do with the obvious teaching of Heb. 11, which says Abraham had a justifying faith in Gen. 12. Because you say it's "impossible" doesn't make it so. I have shown your argument to be illogical. Because having "the Spirit of Christ" within you does not mean you can't lose... -
The Process Of Justification
Two simple questions. Was Abraham justified when he had obedient, trusting faith in Gen. 12? Was Abraham justified when he had obedient, trusting faith in Gen. 15? -
The Process Of Justification
I'll be happy to continue, Jethro Bodine when you calm down. -
The Process Of Justification
Where does Heb. 10:26-27 say this? If you want to discuss other verses, fine. You made a bogus claim that you won't admit to. All I'm doing is holding your feet to the fire. -
The Process Of Justification
All you have to do then, is show me the exact words from the verses in question that say ANYTHING about faith. Isn't that what "from the passage itself" means? Again, I agree that faith is necessary for justification and that there are places within Scripture that teach it, as my post above... -
The Process Of Justification
Right, in context, apostasy. Complete rejection of Christ for something (or someone) else, or nothing at all. This certainly would include the loss of faith in Christ, how could it not? Ok. We agree. As I've always said, it's both/and. Faith and deeds, or in this case, faith and rejection of... -
The Process Of Justification
Then, if it's impossible to lose justification because Christ is within us, it's also impossible to remain justified because there is a demon within us. Your argument is illogical. Do you have anything else? -
The Process Of Justification
Of course we are tempted by suggestions in the mind, but these demons don't reside within us, like the "Spirit of Christ" does. Whenever the conversation gets around to the topic of sin, you have repeatedly said demons do reside within us, this is a fact. You have repeatedly said that we are not... -
The Process Of Justification
Your argument is with neither, because you agree with both of us. If "Abraham was faithful both times", he was justified both times. Wasn't he justified by obedient, trusting faith? Didn't he have obedient, trusting faith in Gen. 12? Therefore, he was justified in Gen. 12. If you also believe... -
The Process Of Justification
Do human beings "have tempters within" them, yes or no. -
The Process Of Justification
Abraham also received "divine approval" for his faithful actions in Gen. 12 Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. For by it the men of old received divine approval. (Heb 11:1-2 RSV) When did he have this faith that "received divine approval"? By... -
The Process Of Justification
Well, this is one thing we agree on, Ezra. Your argument is with Smaller on this one, not me. -
The Process Of Justification
Bingo? Your entire argument against the process of justification rests on your contention that, because Abraham has the "Spirit of Christ within" that it's impossible to lose justification. I have just pointed out that the logic is faulty because, in your warped view, Abraham also has a demon... -
The Process Of Justification
Since you are having comprehension problems here, let me break it down even further. Spirit of Christ within= Impossible to lose justification. Demon within= Impossible to remain justified. -
The Process Of Justification
Answer the simple question posed. Here it is again. Using your logic, if there was a "tempter" within him, a demon, how could he possibly remain justified? -
The Process Of Justification
So, the Spirit of Christ was "in Abraham", therefore he could not possibly have lost his justification, correct? Don't you also believe that there was a "tempter" within him too? Using your logic, if there was a "tempter" within him, a demon, how could he possibly remain justified? Was the demon... -
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The Process Of Justification
Then you mean spiritually dead, not actually dead? -
The Process Of Justification
They will lose justification ("what they already have in Christ") if they do what? Stop believing? Nope...