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Desire to be a vessel of honor unto the Lord Jesus Christ?
Join For His Glory for a discussion on how
https://christianforums.net/threads/a-vessel-of-honor.110278/
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Taking the time to pray? Christ is the answer in times of need
https://christianforums.net/threads/psalm-70-1-save-me-o-god-lord-help-me-now.108509/
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Depending upon the Holy Spirit for all you do?
Read through the following study by Tenchi for more on this topic
https://christianforums.net/threads/without-the-holy-spirit-we-can-do-nothing.109419/
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How are famous preachers sometimes effected by sin?
Join Sola Scriptura for a discussion on the subject
https://christianforums.net/threads/anointed-preaching-teaching.109331/#post-1912042
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The Process Of Justification
You can keep giving your opinion, but until you refute the premise and exegesis on this thread, that's all it is, subjectivity. -
The Process Of Justification
Paul disagrees with you, as does the author of Hebrews. It has been proven on this thread that Abraham was justified more than once. Why are you rejecting Biblical teaching? -
The Process Of Justification
Do you see a difference between "trampling the Son of God underfoot" and "falling away" from the truth? Both involve ceasing to have faith, but the author of Hebrews seems to be describing someone who is vehemently anti-Christian, like the modern day atheist, as opposed to someone who simply... -
The Process Of Justification
If we stop believing, will that stop our justification? -
The Process Of Justification
And....there it is. I knew it was coming. Give you a tiny opening and it all comes flying out... -
The Process Of Justification
Oh. There is no SCRIPTURAL evidence....OK, gosh, if you say so then it must be true. Thanks for straightening me out. I'm forever in your debt. :screwloose2 -
The Process Of Justification
This is awesome, coming from you. The Church that was founded by Christ has taught for over 2000 years that justification can be lost. MANY, if not most, mainline Protestant denominations have taught for over 500 years that justification can be lost. The main doctrine that you push here is... -
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LOL...never even heard of them. I think I've heard the name "Molinos" before, but beyond that, I got nothin'. Are they the double play combination from the 1923 Reds? Guyon to Fenelon to Molinos...:halo -
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How is saying that he was justified in Gen. 12 "smearing"? Everyone loses their justification at some point or another. You might as well say I'm "smearing" all of humanity. He had this justifying faith in Gen. 12. He was "yet uncircumcised" in Gen. 12, right? Try and actually read what I just... -
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I'm lost here. Are you saying that Paul's idea of justification by faith is "about the law and the commandments"? Then how does going against the law (by faith?) justify a person? If we have "faith in Him" we are justified, right? All I'm saying is that if we stop having "faith in Him" or... -
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I'll try this one more time. The Bible does teach that the "nature of justification" is a process. Abraham is a Biblical example of this. Your concept of justification is not supported by the Bible itself. This is the argument, so can't be your conclusion. Now you are begging the question. That... -
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Well then, just copy and paste it. Should be pretty simple. Where does Scripture teach that there is such a thing as a faith that trusts, obeys and has good deeds attached, yet does not justify? -
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Wow. If you aren't interested in "engaging" why don't you just "go home"? You posted another straw-man and I called you out again. You made the ridiculous statement "The mistake you're making is thinking that the moment the promise was made that Abraham was justified..." When did I say that... -
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Huh? What are you talking about? You made the straw-man argument that I think "any and all faith justifies". My point is that I don't think "any and all faith justifies", because Abraham (who we have been talking about, in case you missed it) didn't just have "any and all faith". He had an... -
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Why is it ludicrous? A group of people can't have an obedient, trusting faith and be justified at the same time? Tell that to Cornelius and his household. What's ludicrous is thinking the Bible teaches "commendable faith". That it teaches that people can have a faith in the Triune God that... -
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No, not the "moment the promise was made", the moment he, by faith, accepted it, trusted it and obediently acted on it. Another straw-man. More flailing. Are you forgetting what you said "...righteousness of faith" means? You said "It means 'righteousness that comes through having faith'." In... -
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Simply copy-paste or link. Elaborate, then. There are further specifics in Abraham's case in Gen. 12. They are obedience, for doing what God told him, and trust for doing it and "not knowing" how his obedience was going to play out. Trusting obedience, Jethro. The exact "kind" of faith that... -
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Well put. I read your previous post to Jethro and this makes a lot of sense. I just don't know whether I would say that Abraham's righteousness (justification) in Gen. 12 was simply reestablished in Gen. 15, or he was actually justified again because somewhere between the time he left Haran and... -
The Process Of Justification
The object of his faith was the Triune God. Are you saying he believed in some other God in Gen. 12? No, sorry. You haven't answered my questions concerning Rom. 4:13 yet. For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through...