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Desire to be a vessel of honor unto the Lord Jesus Christ?
Join For His Glory for a discussion on how
https://christianforums.net/threads/a-vessel-of-honor.110278/
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Taking the time to pray? Christ is the answer in times of need
https://christianforums.net/threads/psalm-70-1-save-me-o-god-lord-help-me-now.108509/
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Depending upon the Holy Spirit for all you do?
Read through the following study by Tenchi for more on this topic
https://christianforums.net/threads/without-the-holy-spirit-we-can-do-nothing.109419/
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How are famous preachers sometimes effected by sin?
Join Sola Scriptura for a discussion on the subject
https://christianforums.net/threads/anointed-preaching-teaching.109331/#post-1912042
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The Process Of Justification
Ok, why? What makes you think so? Was the faith he showed in Gen. 15 of a different kind than in Gen. 12? -
The Process Of Justification
There is one other point that I would like clarification on. Does a faith that "does something" and trusts God and obeys God, "categorically and without exception" justify? Your "faith that does something" is a straw man. Remember, we are talking about Abraham's faith in Gen. 12. He "went out"... -
The Process Of Justification
I just reread this and I think I misunderstood your point. Are you saying that Abraham had faith that "had works attached" in Gen. 12, but that "faith that had works attached" didn't justify him until years later? Or did you mean (the way I interpreted it) that Abraham had faith in Gen. 12 but... -
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:thumbsup And, on the flip side, an obedient, trusting, faith justifies...every time, without exception. -
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Nope, can't say that I have. Sounds fun, though... -
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The Process Of Justification
Here is what Thayer's says of the same word, same tense. "The present tense represents a simple statement of fact or reality viewed as occurring in actual time. In most cases this corresponds directly with the English present tense. Some phrases which might be rendered as past tense in English... -
The Process Of Justification
No, I don't think this "kind of faith" justifies, but all justifying faith has to include this definition (and verse 3) to be the justifying faith talked about from verse 3 on. Please read that again, so I won't be misunderstood again. What the author is doing is defining the faith talked about... -
The Process Of Justification
Wow, how did you get this from my last post? Why would I "try to discredit" what you said when I have been jonesing for you to actually engage like this for three weeks? Again, the reason I've been so adamant for you to respond to my points is because I value your opinion. We may disagree... -
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The author of Hebrews disagrees with you. The faith he had in Gen. 12 had "works attached": "By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went." This is an obvious example of... -
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This is just a variation of Luther's "snow covered dung heap". I don't think the NIV properly translates this verse. I think "...those who are sanctified", like the KJV and NASB say is the accurate translation. The point of the verse is that the many sacrifices of the Jewish priests weren't able... -
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Of course man plays a part in his justification, just not by doing "works", as you keep insisting. We are justified by "obedient faith", so when you ask me "which one of your works saves you" or some such thing, the question is illogical, because I don't perform "works of the law", which is what... -
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:woot2 Now, that's what I'm talking about, this post and the ones that follow. I gave them a cursory reading and they definitely address the topic. Thanks, I appreciate it. I'll be getting back to you either later tonight or tomorrow, got a big day planned. -
The Process Of Justification
Yes. To fully know Who it is that you love. There is a great book by Frank Sheed called "Theology and Sanity". It is mostly written as a reaction to the atheism of the first half of the last century, but the subject of the book is that if we are not living our lives believing in the Creator and... -
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I missed this one. You changed versions to the NIV for my sake? I don't use the NIV. I read it a lot when I was debating a person who used it exclusively (pre-internet), and found some of the translations wanting. I usually use the RSV to read, but I usually quote either the KJV (default) or... -
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The Process Of Justification
What are you talking about? Where did I say my works justify me and must be perfect? Rat-a-tat-tat...