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Desire to be a vessel of honor unto the Lord Jesus Christ?
Join For His Glory for a discussion on how
https://christianforums.net/threads/a-vessel-of-honor.110278/
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Taking the time to pray? Christ is the answer in times of need
https://christianforums.net/threads/psalm-70-1-save-me-o-god-lord-help-me-now.108509/
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Depending upon the Holy Spirit for all you do?
Read through the following study by Tenchi for more on this topic
https://christianforums.net/threads/without-the-holy-spirit-we-can-do-nothing.109419/
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How are famous preachers sometimes effected by sin?
Join Sola Scriptura for a discussion on the subject
https://christianforums.net/threads/anointed-preaching-teaching.109331/#post-1912042
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The Process Of Justification
If "complete in Him" means that once a person is justified he can never reject that justification or fall away, why was Abraham justified more than once? Does Scripture contradict? Or maybe your interpretation of "complete in Him" is faulty. -
The Process Of Justification
Ezra, I'm not arguing what justification is, but whether we are justified more than once. How can I be wrong on a subject I'm not arguing? -
The Process Of Justification
:hysterical I am reading the Bible, and asking for input for my exegesis of Gen. 12, Heb. 11, Gen. 17 and Rom. 4. If you have nothing to contribute to the actual OP and instead just want to regurgitate your canned view of justification, you really are wasting time here. -
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The Process Of Justification
Partially, yes. By itself, no. This would be a first step toward what is in the rest of the chapter. How could you believe in a God that did not create? It's part of our faith, but then he moves on to a faith that makes righteous, which you will not address. To pull this verse out by itself and... -
The Process Of Justification
Copy...Paste OK, let's see how this goes. I believe that a person has to have obedient faith in order to be justified. If a person (you or I) stops having an obedient faith, we cease to be justified. Some people think it doesn't matter whether we continue in obedient faith, justification is a... -
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Then, Abraham was justified in Gen. 17, because it explicitly says "Therefore it was also credited to him as righteousness." I guess we can all go home now? :cool2 -
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Then maybe it's not "faith alone" or "lack of doubt" that justifies. You believe it's an "obedient faith" that saves, which assumes that our actions at least "show" our true faith. It's not much of a reach to believe that we can lose our justification the same way. Please...."Therefore IT WAS... -
The Process Of Justification
I never claimed "works as being justified". You can choose any method of justification you want. If you believe the completely unbiblical "justification by faith alone", fine. Just answer the question, was Abraham justified (by faith alone, if you want) in Gen. 12? If not, why not? -
The Process Of Justification
OK, I wouldn't want to disappoint :lol ...I'll try to get to it a bit later. Time for Mass here on the west coast. -
The Process Of Justification
Right. But Paul also talks about Abraham's faith in Gen. 17, right before he was circumcised, and says ""Therefore IT WAS ALSO CREDITED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS." (Rom 4:22 NASB) -
The Process Of Justification
:thumbsup And what about my exegesis of Rom. 4? Do you think it holds water? In passing, I really appreciate your views they are well though out and doctrinally sound. -
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Oh, Jethro. I'm not the one with the problem. Here you go again, trying to make this about "the nature of justification", which is really just your opinion of what justification is to you. Rom. 4:18-22 obviously refers to Gen. 17 so I guess it's really the only defense you have. When the facts... -
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Again, I know what you think justified means. Looking at the evidence I presented in the OP and to Jethro above, do you think that Abraham was justified in Gen. 12? If not, why not? -
The Process Of Justification
OK, I guess we could go into how the authors of Scripture saw Abraham in relation to Christ and how Christ is God so Abraham actually had faith in Christ. We could discuss what the "promise" is and how that reveals Christ in Messianic theology. But remember your whole reason for the example of... -
The Process Of Justification
Was Tim Staples mentioned on this thread? Is this thread about what justifies us or about why Abraham was justified twice? This has nothing to do with the topic and is just another drive by post. I'll be expecting another one shortly...:yes -
The Process Of Justification
Have I "taught" that justification is by "works of the law"? If so, where? Anything to add to what I actually said? Didn't think so...And it will go downhill from here. -
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Jumped the gun, sorry. Ok. I probably couldn't find it anyway. I don't remember which thread it was in. :bricks It's a quote from a silly movie. Forget it...:dunce -
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Finally you decided to engage in actual exegesis of the verses in question. That's great. It's been hard being patient, I'm not a patient person by nature. Let's take a look at your contention, going verse by verse. "18 In hope against hope he believed, so that he might become a father of many... -
The Process Of Justification
I know what your definition of justification is, Ezra. I've heard basically the same definition on forums for over 25 years. What justification IS is not the point of this thread. I just pointed out in the OP that Abraham was justified (however you care to define it) more than once. He was...