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  1. Vaccine

    [__ Science __ ] One of Evolution’s Most Famous Stories Gets a Rewrite

    This is so painfully simple. We start with defining terms: "With respect to savages, Mr. Winwood Reade informs me that the negroes of West Africa often commit suicide."-Descent of Man So Darwin's term "savages" include black people. Not just any people but present day black people Mr Reade...
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    [__ Science __ ] One of Evolution’s Most Famous Stories Gets a Rewrite

    Darwin wasn't talking about the first humans: "If we look back to an extremely remote epoch, before man had arrived at the dignity of manhood, he would have been guided more by instinct and less by reason than are the lowest savages at the present time."-Descent of Man "Hence the progenitors of...
  3. Vaccine

    [__ Science __ ] One of Evolution’s Most Famous Stories Gets a Rewrite

    Is that your answer for leaving out a crucial part that fundamentally changes the quote? You brought up the text regarding mental similarities. I pointed out how the earlier part about "Many of these are of so unimportant" Again, why did you leave that part out? The one quote you pointed to...
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    [__ Science __ ] One of Evolution’s Most Famous Stories Gets a Rewrite

    The full statement: "Although the existing races of man differ in many respects, as in colour, hair, shape of skull, proportions of the body, etc., yet if their whole structure be taken into consideration they are found to resemble each other closely in a multitude of points. Many of these are...
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    [__ Science __ ] One of Evolution’s Most Famous Stories Gets a Rewrite

    It's just an aside. It's no different than someone remarking on the mental similarities of a dog or dolphin. Darwin considered that "full-blooded negro with whom I happened once to be intimate" to be endowed with "a brain a little superior to that of an ape." No wonder he was "incessantly...
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    [__ Science __ ] One of Evolution’s Most Famous Stories Gets a Rewrite

    Not sure what point you're trying to make with that text. It mentions both mental similarity and races differ as much as any three that can be named. Here's the full story on mental similarity: "The races differ also in constitution, in acclimatisation and in liability to certain diseases...
  7. Vaccine

    [__ Science __ ] One of Evolution’s Most Famous Stories Gets a Rewrite

    Darwin made it quite clear he thought black people were inferior. You insert words that aren't there "white people". You insert comparisons that aren't there "people other than black people". And draw erroneous conclusions "black people were superior". At this point I assume you're just being...
  8. Vaccine

    [__ Science __ ] One of Evolution’s Most Famous Stories Gets a Rewrite

    "natural selection could only have endowed the savage with a brain a little superior to that of an ape." -Descent of Man There is no mention of "first humans". When Darwin wrote of the first humans, he referred to them as the progenitors of man. When Darwin spoke of contemporary black people he...
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    [__ Science __ ] One of Evolution’s Most Famous Stories Gets a Rewrite

    Where are whites mentioned? "It has been asserted that the ear of man alone possesses a lobule; but "a rudiment of it is found in the gorilla"; and, as I hear from Prof. Preyer, it is not rarely absent in the negro."- Descent of Man How does that passage say black people are different? What...
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    [__ Science __ ] One of Evolution’s Most Famous Stories Gets a Rewrite

    Darwin wrote: "It has been asserted that the ear of man alone possesses a lobule; but "a rudiment of it is found in the gorilla"; and, as I hear from Prof. Preyer, it is not rarely absent in the negro."- Descent of Man White people are not being singled out here, only black people. I can't...
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    [__ Science __ ] One of Evolution’s Most Famous Stories Gets a Rewrite

    *90-My assertion: Instead of seeing one race eliminating another as evil, he thought it was natural selection in action. *91-Your reply: Nature is neither good nor evil. #92-My reply: There's nothing natural about one race exterminating another race. *94-Your reply: Turns out, chimps commit...
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    [__ Science __ ] One of Evolution’s Most Famous Stories Gets a Rewrite

    I have no problem showing you Darwin applied "natural selection" to the races of man: "natural selection could only have endowed the savage with a brain a little superior to that of an ape." -Descent of Man Earlier you compared natural selection to gravity, an indifferent force of nature. Now...
  13. Vaccine

    [__ Science __ ] One of Evolution’s Most Famous Stories Gets a Rewrite

    Perhaps you should go back and read what I quoted. Darwin compared black people to gorillas, not white people. Darwin made it clear whites much more evolved than black people since black people were closer to animals. Demonstrably false claim: "; but excepting in the case of man himself, hardly...
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    [__ Science __ ] One of Evolution’s Most Famous Stories Gets a Rewrite

    If you think Darwin seems to have thought races were not a biological construct, can you provide a quote to that effect? He routinely cited differences in races. Such as ears, teeth, smell, and mental capacity. Civilization is a noun not a verb. It can't make anything Darwin asserted natural...
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    [__ Science __ ] One of Evolution’s Most Famous Stories Gets a Rewrite

    There's no doubt Darwin was a compassionate person and thought slavery is criminal. He said neglecting the weak and helpless was evil. ";but if we were intentionally to neglect the weak and helpless, it could only be for a contingent benefit, with a certain and great present evil."- Darwin...
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    [__ Science __ ] One of Evolution’s Most Famous Stories Gets a Rewrite

    Of course we understand race has no biological basis. But Darwin didn't know that. He was making a race based assessment of the Indian race as he understood it. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But if you don't think Darwin was racist you're in no position to judge Morris racist. Unless...
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    [__ Science __ ] One of Evolution’s Most Famous Stories Gets a Rewrite

    Fair enough, there is a difference. But I don't agree slavery actually benefits the people owning slaves. Mark 8:36 Darwin said civilized races, not civilized people. This is about the evolution of the races, not civilizations. This is the original quote: "At some future period, not very...
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    [__ Science __ ] One of Evolution’s Most Famous Stories Gets a Rewrite

    I've quoted that passage from Darwin several times in this thread and it's the first time I forgot to add that part. Touche. Let's see the whole passage again nothing gets ignored: "Slavery, although in some ways beneficial during ancient times (34. See Mr. Bagehot, 'Physics and Politics,'...
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    [__ Science __ ] One of Evolution’s Most Famous Stories Gets a Rewrite

    While Darwin could be considered progressive for his time, especially since he was anti-slavery. I wonder if he would be considered progressive today. Darwin on the dangers of immigrants: "Notwithstanding that savages appear to be less prolific than civilised people, they would no doubt rapidly...
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    [__ Science __ ] One of Evolution’s Most Famous Stories Gets a Rewrite

    When you attributed the comment to Fitzroy it was "...the once mention of white supremacy". Now, it's merely noting racism. Which is it? Darwin didn't specifically mention slave owners, merely that slavery is beneficial. He referenced p 72, so he could have meant slavery is beneficial due to a...
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