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Once and for all, Matthew 25:46 is no proof that the eternal punishment is not eternal death. We all agree that those who do not receive eternal life will go off to eternal punishment. We disagree on what that eternal punishment consists of. Does the eternal punishment consist of eternal...

FreeGrace. you don't believe death is someting to be saved from? Please explain and be specific. Use this example, you child is trapped in a burning building. Since death is not something to be saved from, do you just let your child die? After all, according to you death is nothing to worry...

You need to support your declarations with scripture. I disagree with your statements. The Bible says (Romans 6:23) For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Therefore there IS something to be saved from, and it isn't ECT. The Bible says that we...

Thanks Poet, Your post got me thinking of that passage in 2nd Peter, and then I read all of Chapter 3 of Second Peter. It seems that every day I get more confirmation from the Bible that the doctrine of eternal conscious torment is wrong (possibly even deliberately deceitful). Here is what I...

We not only see through a glass darkly, but we are also subject to those who deliberately distort scripture (to their own destruction). Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. He writes the same way in...

Willie, I think you and I are on the same page again (Metaphorically Speaking, of course)

Not alive, no longer alive. Yes Speculation, but okay. No. Nobody can "reside" in death. No. You've left the ranch. No. Where shall I go from your Spirit? Or where shall I flee from your presence? If I ascend to heaven, you are there! If I make my bed in Sheol, you are there! Psalm 139:7-8...

Too bad. I was interested in your opinion of it. That is the OP anyway. (Then what ARE you doing here?)

If the Bible tells me so. Since it doesn't, I reject that based on a complete lack of evidence. It isn't that I don't understand it, it is that I completely reject it as a false doctrine. I don't suppose you could provide decent evidence for the doctrine that "death does not mean death but...

Willie, we are on the same page!

Wow. I love it. I think the ethereal sound would be perfect for some worship songs.

Freegrace, what are your thoughts on the debate in the OP? I'm interested in your thoughts as an Doctrine of Eternal Torment defender. Do you think that Dr Mohler did an adequate job? (I think he failed badly, he didn't even seem to be listening to what Chris Date had to say)

Of course the Bible doesn't refer to the second DEATH as LIFE. The Bible also doesn't refer to UP as DOWN, or BLACK as WHITE. No, we do NOT know that "spiritual death refers to being separated from God". Nowhere in Scripture is there any mention of "spiritual death refers to being separated...

Matthew 5:45 (This is not to say that Mr Poet is unjust or evil in any way, just that God blesses everyone, and I am happy that He does.) 2 Thessalonians 1:9

Thanks for the clarification. Since I don't hold that belief I will leave the thread now. Blessings

"Be no more" means just that, the wicked will not continue to exist. They will be destroyed, just as the Bible says. I never said "Annihilated". What does "Annihilated" even mean? I thought that "annihilated" and "destroyed" meant the same thing. But the Bible does not say that all sinners will...

You can see from the responses in this thread that it is by no means certain that there even IS eternal suffering, much less that it is necessary. May God bless you in your journey.

Do you actually need it to say annihilated? I never said the wicked will be annihilated. What I have been saying is the wicked will be no more. And that is what it says. They will be no more because they will be destroyed. If Annihilated means something different than Destroyed, we can go with...

What I said was "Where does the Bible say that death means separation and not death?" The parable of Lazarus and the Rich Man does not apply to the topic of eternal damnation, because that was the intermediate state, not the final state. Notice that the man's brothers are still alive in the...

Yes The wicked will be no more. Psalm 37:10 Or John 3:16, Jude 1:7, 2 Peter 2:1, Matthew 10:28, Malachi 4, the list is endless really.