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Yes, the apostles were infallible and no one else was. This is the teaching of the NT. First, even the apostle Peter recognized what Paul wrote as scripture in 2nd Peter 3. 15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also, according to the...

The Church is the pillar and foundation of the truth, but not the infallible judge of truth. The text does not need to say certain words for us to recognize the infallible authority stopped. The nature of apostleship was that they could infallibly remember the oral words of Christ. In Acts 1...

* Francis, you begin with this statement..... "Paul never states that only his written words are infallible." --I already said that Paul gave both oral and written revelation in previous posts. When you say what you said in this statement, it makes me think your not grasping what I...

Francis, I also discern scriptural inaccuracies in your statements above. Possibly its just the way your expressing yourself, or maybe we disagree here too. Scripture became scripture when it was first written. In 2nd Peter 3: 15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation...

Francis, I notice your terms "oral or written." We have been through some of this before (albeit, a long time ago). I believe you quoted 2nd Thes 3:15 15 So then, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye were taught, whether by word, or by epistle of ours. That the oral teaching...

Let me apologize in advance. This format is too short to really lay out an positive statement of my understanding of canon. I would need more space and need to use a lot of references. Please do not take this as a list of verses that I am using each individual verse to refute a position...

Hello Francis, I can honestly say I am glad to see you. I would not say that the Corinthians accepted Pauls Epistles "in a vacuum. The recognized the apostolic authority of Paul to speak authoritatively to their congregation. The same would have occurred in any Apostolic letter. The 12...

Asyncritus, you have been repeatedly corrected on trinitarian doctrine and yet right after chessman corrects you, you again make the same identical mistake? It is not just chessman that corrected you in your misrepresentation of the trinity, I have too, and so have others. Yet you keep on...

veryberry, good post. I do not disagree, but can I make some clarifications? I hope to add some stuff and get a little more specific about the nature of our freedom in Christ. I sincerely hope that it does not take away from your exellent OP in any way. You used two references from Romans 6...

Interesting. When I see words like "gigantic problem" and the extreme emotion you convey in your choice of words, it sound like I have a problem that is so painfully obvious to everyone, yet it is you that is throwing the verse out on the basis of the word "θεοτητος" (God head) being only used...

Asyncritus, I read the post you made. I am tempted to address it point by point and its many flaws, but your going all over the place in that post and getting quite passionate. It also takes too much space to reply. I wrote a reply but it exceeds the 10k character limit. So I am going to...

Asyncritus, your reply is not even beginning to scratch the surface of what Colossians 2:9 is all about. No trinitarian claims that the issue of the single word "Dwelleth" demonstrates the concept of the trinity. The concept of the absolute deity and equality with the Father in attributes is...

I would agree that certain implications of the doctrine of the trinity and the encapsulation of deity within human flesh are not easy doctrines to understand because they have no parallel with creation. This does not mean I agree that no one can understand the doctrine of the trinity, or the...

The lists of the books from Hippo, the Fathers, and Trent are all contradictory. But the point I was making had to do with your statement that Trent was the first list. Of course you now are mentioning some of the other councils and Fathers. The new article you are quoting does not even refer...

No one came up with an approved list? Really? No Jerome, or Hippo? or many other Church Fathers? Similar dissension among protestants? Well, I do not know everything but whom are you talking about? Mormons against the Magisterial Reformers? I read the article you posted. Where does it say...

Slave of Jesus, you have spoken right. You noticed a key flaw in what Asyncritus is saying and he does grasp what you are saying. He called it a "meaningless and basically unscriptural theological construct." Asycritus does not grasp the difference between the role of function that Jesus had...

I fully agree. Its good to see Colossians quoted. It is a very important Epistle on the absolute and complete deity of Christ. So many will focus on statement in the Gospel of John, and I agree with those statements, but it is good to also to do as you did and include the statements from...

Not all "I do not knows" are equally valid. There are three different attitudes one can have in making a statement "I do not know." One of those attitudes is wrong and is a sinful attack on the authority of scriptures, the other two are just a fact of the nature of who we are as limited human...