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[Opinions must be supported by Scripture. WIP] Anyone, really. [Opinions must be supported by Scripture. WIP] [Opinions must be supported by Scripture. WIP] Peter answers your initial question. Yes, we do need to be dunked in water to be saved...

Then you believe that water baptism should be done to infants, as circumcision was? Correct, but neither are "outward signs" of salvation, as you stated. Circumcision is never tied to salvation as baptism is (1Pt 3:21). In fact, Paul tells us that circumcision has no bearing on salvation at...

Please show me where Scripture calls baptism "merely a symbol". I have been asking this question for years and have yet to get an actual verse. Please show me where Scripture calls baptism "an outward sign that you are saved". I have been asking this question for years and have yet to get an...

Dadof10: First of all, I said you haven't addressed Heb. 11:4-8. You have not said one, solitary word about these verses, and to to say you have addressed it "is a lie". You can shut me up and make me look like a complete fool, very easily. All you have to do is copy and paste your in depth...

First of all, I said you haven't addressed Heb. 11:4-8. You have addressed other verses in Hebrews 11, but have not said one solitary word about vs.4-8, which is what the OP is based upon. Secondly, calling someone a liar is personal...

So, you want me to "engage" on the verses you posted and I'm ignoring them...Hummm. Does this sound at all familiar? When you are ready to "engage" on Heb. 11:4-8, let me know. I posted the OP on Sept. 30 and, after repeated attempts, you still haven't mentioned one word on it. In case you've...

You have me confused with someone else. I don't "declare victory". You are still reluctant to actually address the OP. I can see why. Pretty airtight case.

We'll try, mom...:lol

Good point. Right on. Obedience is necessary for ongoing justification. stop obeying God, no more justification. The good news is, that we can repent and regain this justification.

I don't have to "undo" any argument about these verses. You have undone your own arguments over and over by repeatedly flip-flopping from "always perfectly justified, despite daily sin" to "lose justification unless daily sin is removed". I'm being charitable by letting you off the hook here...

I'm done discussing these verses. This particular tangent is not getting either one of us anywhere. I would like to point out one thing concerning "engaging", though. You have brought up "foot washing" verses, "lump/leaven" verses and other verses that you think bolster your case. In every...

They are right next to the verses that call it "merely symbolic" and "a show of faith"...:lol

Here it is again. I'll take it line by line: Referring to the "lump/leaven" metaphor you said: "So, despite their sin, which they are still in, their unleavened perfection still stands. He said so. Their sinning did not remove that so that they need to be re-justified." (italics in the...

You are now only quoting half of my thoughts? And I thought you only saved half-quotes for Scripture. I guess I'm in good company. Here is what I really said: "Jesus is saying that Peter, a believer, has to come to Jesus to have his daily sins removed, but does not need to be re-baptized...

Yes he did, and you agreed. He said that unless He removed his daily sins, left his feet dirty, he would "have no part with" Jesus. You have agreed that this means "unless Jesus removes Peter's daily sin, leaves his feet dirty, he loses justification". I can post your quotes that say those exact...

I'm following your argument better than you are. Your lack of clarity and failure to answer direct questions bear this out. Let me try it this way. I'll lay out your argument and you tell me where I'm not "paying attention". Scripture: Peter said to Him, "Never shall You wash my feet!" Jesus...

"Completely clean" and "the bath", as I have been saying from the beginning, and never waffling on, means WATER baptism! Please read that again...Water Baptism. At baptism, actual sins and original sin are removed (Acts 2:38). This puts the soul in the state capable of enjoying Heaven. This is...

As I said. I missed all these that came before the closing. Here is a good example of one of your mistakes. What you fail to grasp, here is that Peter has already "come to" Jesus, both physically and metaphorically. He already has faith. Once Peter understands what Jesus wants, he fully submits...

I missed all these earlier posts from before the thread was shut down. They are all just a rehash of my last post, except for the below on "commendable faith". By "explain it", I meant show me some kind of exegesis into the doctrine of "commendable faith" and how faith can be trusting, obedient...