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    Seventh-day Adventist

    1) RND ; Regarding your theory “that there is no spirit in manâ€. It's been 5 days since I asked for historical data supporting your theory that "there is no spirit in man". Though you did not offer any rebuttal data, I still cannot find any historical references to your theory. I think...
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    Seventh-day Adventist

    RND; I can't say that I understand your theory that "The spirit of man doesn't exist". However, as I’ve looked at the various comments regarding your personal religious theory that "the spirit in man doesn’t exist". I noticed from some of the other debates that it seems like it is a...
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    Thoughts on The Book of Enoch

    Faithful4Christ; I very MUCH agree that you should read and become familiar with the Old and New Testament text FIRST, before studying Enoch. I very MUCH disagree with some of the inaccuracies you are hearing about Enoch. 1 Enoch remains in the Eastern Orthodox Canon since the early Eastern...
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    Was Jesus Ever Known As The Son Of God Before He Was Born?

    I think the Original Post posses an interesting question and just wanted to add a couple of considerations. I think Glorydaz presents a principle that one can consider in a greater depth (or not...) ONE MIGHT CONSIDER EUPHEMISMS FOR JESUS IN THE QUEST FOR REFERENCES : The earliest Christian...
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    Seventh-day Adventist

    POST TWO OF TWO The Jewish Haggadah (oral legend) was originally associated with the Talmud repeats the older legend in great clarity and what IS the testimony of these texts? The soul is reluctant (perhaps scared) to enter the body and mortality, however God reminds this soul by saying ...
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    Seventh-day Adventist

    POST ONE OF TWO 1) REGARDING THE PRE-CREATION TIME PERIOD BEING A “MYSTERY†TO THE SDAs. Rather than argue, we may simply both agree that the SDA’s think that Paul did not know the answer and it is a mystery to the SDAs as well and that other christians did have a great deal of doctrinal...
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    Seventh-day Adventist

    1) REGARDING THE PRE-CREATION TIME PERIOD : Clear said : I am simply asking if SDAs also have data regarding this time period. RND responded : Paul didn't offer any explanation for the "mystery of iniquity" that's why it's a mystery. Thank you. I did NOT disagree that this time period and...
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    Seventh-day Adventist

    POST TWO OF TWO I have to wonder if such constant redundant repetition of this doctrine of pre-creation existence was important to the ancients because it emphasized the realization that knowing who we really are and where we came from is the only thing that can put the present and future into...
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    Seventh-day Adventist

    POST ONE OF TWO 1) SDA DOCTRINE CONCERNING PRE-EARTH HEAVEN RND, I mean no offense, but please do not simply provide a link. If you do not want to answer or if you cannot answer for some other reason, please just tell me. I will NOT be offended. You are not a historian then. I think...
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    Seventh-day Adventist

    1) SDA DOCTRINE CONCERNING PRE-EARTH HEAVEN - There is a great deal of early Judao-Christian literature where christians describe conditions regarding this time and place and conditions there. Did God give the prophet Ellen G white any revelation concerning this time period beyond what other...
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    Seventh-day Adventist

    RND, thank you for your answers: By this explanation, do you mean that there ARE eternal moral truths, or does God determine what is morally right and wrong? By this, do you mean that the SDA has no official doctrine as to why the archangel Lucifer rebelled? Do they have any doctrine or...
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    Seventh-day Adventist

    RND ; I appreciate the courage it took to start this thread and the discomfort of managing it. Thank you for this effort. One of the nicest men I ever met was SDA. 1) Do SDAs believe that God created the universe from “nothing’ (i.e. "ex-nihilo" creation) or from Chaotic and/or...
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    Take the Book of Mormon Challenge!

    I was not trying to create an angry, hateful outburst in trying to help RND from creating yet another personal Christian theory which damages more than it helps. The tendency to invent new doctrines, just like the tendency to hate others, is an ongoing problem for Christianity. Irenaeus, in...
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    Take the Book of Mormon Challenge!

    POST TWO OF TWO Such textual changes have ALWAYS occurred, and whether the admission is made, the changes OFTEN occurred due to theological bias of the scribes at one point or other in history. Bias in both translation AND transmission of texts has been an issue from ancient times and it has...
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    Take the Book of Mormon Challenge!

    POST ONE OF TWO RND; I did not find a single quote nor a single piece of evidence nor a single piece of data in your prior post that relates to your theory that "changes to a text invalidates the text". (If ANYONE else saw real data regarding this theory, please point it out to me). You post...
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    Take the Book of Mormon Challenge!

    1) You are obsessing on Smith and using poor logic. Whether Smith exists or not, your theory is invalid. It is VERY simple. If you personally theorize that a text is invalid due to changes, then since the bible has undergone many changes, in your theory, the bible is invalid. Since the...
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    Take the Book of Mormon Challenge!

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    Take the Book of Mormon Challenge!

    RND makes a two main points in a prior post. 1) Changes in manuscripts discredit the text. 2) Lack of original manuscripts discredit the text. Regarding the two points that RND makes : The first claim rnd makes is that changes in manuscripts discredit the manuscript. I think the logic...
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    Heaven

    Jim R; like you, I very much envision heaven as a place where I may live with those whom I love in a sociality similar to the present. That is, I have hope that my wife and children are still family, my friends are still my friends and all who live there will do so in joy and harmony forever...
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    LDS (Mormon) Discussion

    Russianwolf It does seem rather obvious that Todd is playing off of a strange and intentionally sensational presentation of early Christian Doctrine. In contrast to that approach, I have a great deal of interest in early Judao-Christian teachings and am very interested in parallels between...
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