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Bible Study â€œFight The Good Fight . . . Of Faithâ€

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By the body of the Lord Jesus on the Cross believers were made dead to the law (a), in order righteously to be joined to Another, even the risen Lord. The reason why we had to die to the law was seen to be, not at all because the law was bad (it, on the contrary, was “holy, just and goodâ€), but because we were bad.

That is, our flesh was so powerless to do good and so ready to do evil, that the application to us of God’s law, as Paul did, he has not power to keep it, but sin only makes the law a constant means of working death to him; and the more a man tries to keep the law the more he comes under the power of sin. “The strength of sin is the law†(1 Cor 15:56). So that there is only this left for us—to die to the law, and be joined to the risen Lord in a resurrection realm absolutely beyond the sphere of the law.

A great many people think that while sinners have no power against sin, saints have; that is, that God gives the new creature strength in itself to overcome indwelling sin. But this is a fatal error. Many, many Christians today are struggling against sin, with the idea that God expects them, since they have become His children and have learned to hate sin, to “pray for divine help†and then “fight the good fight†against sin. And so they struggle manfully, but with what sorry success because their whole theory is in error. It is because they do not finish the verse “Fight the good fight . . . of faith.†God has not given us, even in our new nature, power over sin. His plan is entirely different: He Himself becomes the power in us that overcomes sin. He does not delegate this power (b). He said, “All power is given unto Me,†so He Himself exercises it within us, in the person of the Holy Spirit, who has come to dwell in us for the very purpose of delivering us from the power of indwelling sin.

It is an outright perversion of the truth of God to teach (as did the Puritans and as do the Covenant theologians) that while we are not to keep the law as a means of salvation, we are yet under it as a “rule of life.†This is to take away the taskmaster’s whip, and yet expect him to rule those subjects which he could barely govern while he has his whip. Such teaching is in the theory of Antinomian (lawlessness), for it takes away the condemnatory power of the law upon those that are still allegedly under the law. But in practice this teaching is legal enough.

Let a Christian only confess, “I am under the law†and straightway Moses fastens his yoke upon him, despite all the protests that the law has lost its condemning power. Men have to be delivered from the whole legal principle, from the entire sphere where law reigns, ere true liberty can be found. This was done on the Cross. There we “died unto the law†(Gal 2:19); we were there “discharged from the law†(Rom 7:6); and are now “not under the law†(Rom 6:14). And those who, with child-like faith, believe this enter the blessed sphere where grace reigns, and the law of love is a delight, and where the service is in “newness of the Spirit,†not is “oldness of the letter.†The Holy Spirit, indwelling the believer, performs in him the will of the Father, whose will, at last, is His will (Rom 8:3, 4; 12:2).

-Wm R Newell

(a) Gentile/law of sin and death—Jew/this and the Law of Moses
(b) This is not to be confused with “power to tread on serpents†as in Luke 10:19, which did not concern the power of sin itself but of sinful angels, e.g. vs 17, 20)
-NC
 
A great many people think that while sinners have no power against sin, saints have; that is, that God gives the new creature strength in itself to overcome indwelling sin. But this is a fatal error.

1) Sinner........ No transformation or renewal of the mind, They could care less about the Word.

2) not born again, or new spirit.

3) No Holy Spirit to quicken (Make alive our mortal bodies)

And...........................

Rom_5:5
And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

1Pe_1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

And so they struggle manfully, but with what sorry success because their whole theory is in error. It is because they do not finish the verse “Fight the good fight

1Co 9:27
But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

Who keeps who's body in subjection? Seriously?

Eph_4:22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
Col_3:9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;

Who puts away the Old man? I miss something here?
Who is suppose to be transformed by the renewing of the mind? Who? What happens if you don't?

Jas_1:21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.

Who is suppose to lay apart all filthiness? Who does that? Was that God? Who?


Wow is all I have to say. I know the poster did not write this but we should be careful about what we copy and paste.


A great many people think that while sinners have no power against sin, saints have; that is, that God gives the new creature strength in itself to overcome indwelling sin. But this is a fatal error.

God gives us tools, something the sinner does not have, and tells us what to do with them.
Blessings
Mike.
 
A great many people think that while sinners have no power against sin, saints have; that is, that God gives the new creature strength in itself to overcome indwelling sin. But this is a fatal error.

1) Sinner........ No transformation or renewal of the mind, They could care less about the Word.

2) not born again, or new spirit.

3) No Holy Spirit to quicken (Make alive our mortal bodies)

And...........................

Rom_5:5
And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

1Pe_1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

And so they struggle manfully, but with what sorry success because their whole theory is in error. It is because they do not finish the verse “Fight the good fight

1Co 9:27
But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

Who keeps who's body in subjection? Seriously?

Eph_4:22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
Col_3:9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;

Who puts away the Old man? I miss something here?
Who is suppose to be transformed by the renewing of the mind? Who? What happens if you don't?

Jas_1:21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.

Who is suppose to lay apart all filthiness? Who does that? Was that God? Who? Wow is all I have to say. I know the poster did not write this but we should be careful about what we copy and paste.


A great many people think that while sinners have no power against sin, saints have; that is, that God gives the new creature strength in itself to overcome indwelling sin. But this is a fatal error.

God gives us tools, something the sinner does not have, and tells us what to do with them.
Blessings
Mike.

Hi Brother Mike - There are those who choose to conceive that the work of God, such as all which Scripture instructs and admonishes to be performed in the believers life, is performed by self with the assistance of the Holy Spirit; and there are those who conceive that God's work within the believer is performed by the Spirit.

I am of the latter and I am not suspicious of those who are of the former, but regardless of our choice of concept, "it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of His good pleasure," and it is the Spirit who keeps us from ultimately living according to our sinful nature (Gal 5:17). This I believe we are probably in agreement.

Thanks for your reply and God's blessings to your Family.
 
Hi Brother Mike - There are those who choose to conceive that the work of God, such as all which Scripture instructs and admonishes to be performed in the believers life, is performed by self with the assistance of the Holy Spirit; and there are those who conceive that God's work within the believer is performed by the Spirit.

I understand your position, but bring your body in subjection would be our own work. Put away the Old man is us putting away the old man. We are told to do that. Be transformed by the renewing of our mind. We have to do that with the Word that does transform us. A sinner has no chance or even has these things before them or even understands.

Now that is scriptures right? It's not error, as the article said. We have to put this body in line and it's like cutting off a hand at times because you just have to walk away.

A sinner won't even consider walking away.

Now why won't a sinner consider that? They don't have the tools.

So, instead of taking a left hard path and a right hard path. Is it possible that these scriptures are right? It's God that gives ups Apostles, teachers, pastors so that we may come into perfection. These are men who are tools. (Eph)

My position is part yours. Without the grace of God, there is no ability to walk in these things. I can't save myself by works, but I can't do the Works without the faith. I can't have the faith without the ability to use the tools.

Just a thought, I think there might be more middle road here.

Blessings.

Mike.
 
I understand your position, but bring your body in subjection would be our own work. Put away the Old man is us putting away the old man. We are told to do that. Be transformed by the renewing of our mind. We have to do that with the Word that does transform us.

Now that is scriptures right? It's not error, as the article said. We have to put this body in line and it's like cutting off a hand at times because you just have to walk away.

My position is part yours. Without the grace of God, there is no ability to walk in these things. I can't save myself by works, but I can't do the Works without the faith. I can't have the faith without the ability to use the tools.

Just a thought, I think there might be more middle road here.

Blessings.

Mike.

I suppose my middle-of-the-road would be in agreement that these things will be done in a believer and our part of the doing is giving place (yielding) to the Spirit to restrain the sinful nature (old man--source of sin which cannot be subject to God's will--Rom 8:7) to free us for proper obedience.

It's the restraining of the old man in the believer's life that cannot be done by the believer, which is the error of believing you can. Same as it is the Spirit and not us, who opposes the old man, which keeps us from doing many wrongs we would otherwise be doing (Gal 5:17). Because of the Spirit we can "put off the old man" (Col 3:9), as one would put of something another wants you to do.

Those who think the old man is dead and gone are mistaken. The thought is that it is "crucified" and therefore abolished. It is unrealized by most believers that crucifixion of the the old nature (Rom 6:6) is just that, minus the death, because nowhere is it said that it is dead to us, but rather that we are dead to it (Rom 6:2, 11).

Similar as one who is still alive on the cross but just restrained, not dead. In the believers case, Christ's atonement freed us from its guilt; and His crucifixion frees us from its dominion (Rom 6:12, 14), but not from its presence, which still affects but not rules. If the old man was dead, the Spirit wouldn't be opposing it in the believer (Gal 5:17) and Paul wouldn't have discovered its activities (Rom 7:14-25).

Concerning what you shared about "But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection" (1 Cor 9:27), I wanted to share with you what I believe this means:

"This is not to be understood by the apostle of his natural body, and of his keeping it under by immoderate watchings, fastings, and labours, or by whipping and scourging, and lying upon the bare ground, and other such practices.

"But of the 'body of sin' (Rom 6:6), the corruption of nature, and of that being laid under some restraints; of the mortifying 'the deeds of the body through the Spirit' (Rom 8:13), of crucifying the affections with the lusts, of putting off the old man with his deeds, as concerning the former conversation, and of making no provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof." -John Gill
 
It's the restraining of the old man in the believer's life that cannot be done by the believer, which is the error of believing you can.

OK, just for discussion sake, I'll give you John Gills take on this. However its one scripture. It is the restraining of the old man in the believers life that cannot be done by the believer.

Just for clarity sake answer these. I am giving you Paul's Body being put in subjection because I think it's middle road here.

1Co_13:11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

Who puts away childish things?

Eph_4:31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:

Who puts away bitterness and wrath?

Eph_4:22
That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
Col_3:9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;

Who puts away the old man? Who would "YE" be?

2Co_10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

Who has to cast down all those imaginations that are contrary to the Word. It's these thoughts that pull on the lust and desire of our flesh, being drawn away.

Rom 7:23
But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Paul sees an issue here with something waring in his members, the law in his mind. It brings him into captivity the law of sin in his member. The OLD MAN is running around.
With just the flesh, he has to obey the Law of sin, with the mind he knows right but the flesh is just rotten and taking over.

Is it God's responsibility to fix this?

Paul gave the answer to this problem.

Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

The answer was not to try to keep what you know is right by the law in your mind that wants to serve God. Failing, because the Old Man has other ideas. Instead you walk after the Spirit, Be renewed in your mind, stir up the gift in you, Stay anointed, Put off the Old man by walking in the Spirit and not the flesh.

So who's job is it to make us walk in the Spirit? Would that be God's, or our part?

What Happens if you don't renew your mind to prove the will of God? What happens if you don't walk after the Spirit? What happens if you don't put off the Old man and obey him? What happens if you don't cast down thoughts that are contrary to God's Word? What happens then? God just fixes it or has a plan?

What chance does someone that does not even know God have over those that do now? No Holy Spirit, No Word, nothing?

I'll give the Paul putting his body under............... We just have these to deal with.

Blessings.

Mike.
 
It's the restraining of the old man in the believer's life that cannot be done by the believer, which is the error of believing you can.

OK, just for discussion sake, I'll give you John Gills take on this. However its one scripture. It is the restraining of the old man in the believers life that cannot be done by the believer.

Just for clarity sake answer these. I am giving you Paul's Body being put in subjection because I think it's middle road here.

1Co_13:11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

Who puts away childish things?

Eph_4:31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:

Who puts away bitterness and wrath?

Eph_4:22
That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
Col_3:9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;

Who puts away the old man? Who would "YE" be?

2Co_10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

Who has to cast down all those imaginations that are contrary to the Word. It's these thoughts that pull on the lust and desire of our flesh, being drawn away.

Rom 7:23
But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Paul sees an issue here with something waring in his members, the law in his mind. It brings him into captivity the law of sin in his member. The OLD MAN is running around.
With just the flesh, he has to obey the Law of sin, with the mind he knows right but the flesh is just rotten and taking over.

Is it God's responsibility to fix this?

Paul gave the answer to this problem.

Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

The answer was not to try to keep what you know is right by the law in your mind that wants to serve God. Failing, because the Old Man has other ideas. Instead you walk after the Spirit, Be renewed in your mind, stir up the gift in you, Stay anointed, Put off the Old man by walking in the Spirit and not the flesh.

So who's job is it to make us walk in the Spirit? Would that be God's, or our part?

What Happens if you don't renew your mind to prove the will of God? What happens if you don't walk after the Spirit? What happens if you don't put off the Old man and obey him? What happens if you don't cast down thoughts that are contrary to God's Word? What happens then? God just fixes it or has a plan?

What chance does someone that does not even know God have over those that do now? No Holy Spirit, No Word, nothing?

I'll give the Paul putting his body under............... We just have these to deal with.

Blessings.

Mike.

I fully understand your meaning but mine is summed up in the signature I use. It's not us using God to do it but God using us to do it.
 
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