1 jn 2:1-2 Propitiation

[sheepdog]

sheep:

Let me see you think God is a respecter of persons

No I know you are a false teacher though..nowhere in scripture can you find that those who sins have been propitiated for are not saved..all their sins have been paid for..

Your inflamatory remarks distress me. If you would take the time to pull out your dictionary and at least know what the word means it would be helpful to you. It seems you are confusing propitiation and salvation. One is possible because of the other. In any case I don't think I will participate in further discussion with you because of your rude and condemning demeanor.

 

[savedbygrace57]

In regards to propitiation and if we take instruction from the OT scriptures [2 tim 3:

16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:]

We see the High Priest made atonement or reconciliation or propitiation, that is brought a sacrifice to God, to cover the sins of ALL Israel, not all the world, to include the egyptians and philistines and ect..

All for whom behalf the High Preist did this for, received forgiveness from God, it was not a choice they had, it was not a offer for them to accept or reject, but it was a effectual accomplishment by the High Preiest of Israel for Gods chosen People..

So too, Christ the High Priest for His people [ heb 2:

17Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation[propitiation] for the sins of the people.]

has made propitiation, reconcilation, atonement for all of Gods chosen people from every nation [Gen 17:5, ]which are those chosen before the foundation of the world, and all for whom this is done, shall be called unto their eternal Inheritance Heb 9:

12Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

13For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:

14How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? 15And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

 

[glorydaz]

We see the High Priest made atonement or reconciliation or propitiation, that is brought a sacrifice to God, to cover the sins of ALL Israel, not all the world, to include the egyptians and philistines and ect..

All for whom behalf the High Preist did this for, received forgiveness from God, it was not a choice they had, it was not a offer for them to accept or reject, but it was a effectual accomplishment by the High Preiest of Israel for Gods chosen People..

So too, Christ the High Priest for His people [ heb 2:

Ah the blindness that claims the whole world is not really the whole world. :nag
Christ is a better High Priest ....He is God come in the flesh, so being the Lamb of God means His death is able to cover the sins of the whole entire world. Imagine that....

Little children includes all believers...Jew or Greek.
And look who else is included.. THE WHOLE WORLD.
And why did Christ die for the sins of the whole world?
So that whosoever will can have access to God.

1My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 2And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

 

[glorydaz]

sheep:

Let me see you think God is a respecter of persons

No I know you are a false teacher though..nowhere in scripture can you find that those who sins have been propitiated for are not saved..all their sins have been paid for..

Your inflamatory remarks distress me. If you would take the time to pull out your dictionary and at least know what the word means it would be helpful to you. It seems you are confusing propitiation and salvation. One is possible because of the other. In any case I don't think I will participate in further discussion with you because of your rude and condemning demeanor.

Count it all joy when you're accused of being a false teacher by SBG.
It's a sure sign you're speaking the truth.

 

[savedbygrace57]

glory:

Count it all joy when you're accused of being a false teacher by SBG.
It's a sure sign you're speaking the truth.

Neither of you speak the Truth, but reject it, I speak the Truth..

 

[glorydaz]

glory:

Count it all joy when you're accused of being a false teacher by SBG.
It's a sure sign you're speaking the truth.

Neither of you speak the Truth, but reject it, I speak the Truth..

Romans 12:3
For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

 

[savedbygrace57]

glory:

Count it all joy when you're accused of being a false teacher by SBG.
It's a sure sign you're speaking the truth.

Neither of you speak the Truth, but reject it, I speak the Truth..

Romans 12:3
For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

Then why do you reject Gods word and elevate your own word, thats making yourself wiser than God..

 

[glorydaz]

Neither of you speak the Truth, but reject it, I speak the Truth..

Romans 12:3
For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

Then why do you reject Gods word and elevate your own word, thats making yourself wiser than God..

I know...I'm so bad. I believe when the Word says the WHOLE WORLD it means just what it says.

And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

 

[savedbygrace57]

glory:

I know...I'm so bad. I believe when the Word says the WHOLE WORLD it means just what it says.

I do to, the whole world of the elect when talking about 1 jn 2:1-2

And the whole world of the non elect when talking about 1 jn 5:

19And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

The whole world here cannot mean to include those who John says we are of God..

 

[glorydaz]

glory:

I know...I'm so bad. I believe when the Word says the WHOLE WORLD it means just what it says.

I do to, the whole world of the elect when talking about 1 jn 2:1-2

And the whole world of the non elect when talking about 1 jn 5:

19And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

The whole world here cannot mean to include those who John says we are of God..

The verse speaks for itself...all those "explanations" of who you think the "world" is referring to are not supported by scripture. One must accept the free gift of God.

Little children= believers. Not for our sins only...but for the whole world. Everyone in the world.

My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Many in the world resist God and reject His free gift...that's where free will comes in.

Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.

 

[savedbygrace57]

glory:

Little children= believers. Not for our sins only...but for the whole world. Everyone in the world.

Yeah, All the little children of God in the world..for they were not the only ones..the compliment scripture is Jn 11:

51And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;

52And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.

 

[savedbygrace57]

glory:

Many in the world resist God and reject His free gift...that's where free will comes in.

No they dont, no more than they can resist the devil and not accept death..

Acts 7:51 wrote:
Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.

You do this every day, you resist the preaching of the gospel, that verse has nothing to do with the inner working of the Holy Ghost..what you think it means that the Holy Ghost was trying His hardest to regenerate them and they would not let Him ? lol..you are in fantasy land..

 

[savedbygrace57]

Now all those for whom God has been propitiated, this effects reconciliation. Reconciliation is between God and Man, that is Jesus brings the elect sheep back to God 1 pet 3:

18For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that [in order that] he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

The word bring is important here, for by nature man is at enmity with God and hates God, but through the death of Christ that enmity is slain [ through] new birth and then we are rendered acceptable to God..

The word for bring is the greek word: prosago:


to lead, to bring
to open a way of access, for one to God
to render one acceptable to God

Now the word reconciliation has a very similar meaning and its used in rom 5:

10For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Its the word:

katallasso which means:

to change, exchange, as coins for others of equivalent value

to reconcile (those who are at variance)
return to favour with, be reconciled to one
to receive one into favour
Hence the ideals of rendering one acceptable to God and being received into Gods favor are practically the same, and are by grace..

Propitiation is solely towards God. It was [ by the blood of Christ] the appeasement of Gods righteous anger against our [ the elect] sins, and reconciliation is the entering into experimentally into the peace that propitiation provided for Gods people..

 

[savedbygrace57]

The propitiation of christ is linked to His priesthood heb 5:

1For every high priest taken from among men is ordained for men in things pertaining to God, that he may offer both gifts and sacrifices for sins:

The typical High Priest for God's people was Aaron, and had been ordained for men, not all of mankind, He was not appointed to make a sacrifice in behalf of the amakelites or caanites or the phistines, but for the sins of Israel only, so the for men in heb 5 1 is limited to or restricted to a chosen covenant people..

This typified the great High Priest Jesus christ, who was ordained of God, not to be offered for the sins of all mankind, but for the seed of abraham..heb 2:




16For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

17Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation [propitiation] for the sins of the people [the seed of abraham].

The seed of abraham is composed of men and women of all nations gen 17:

5Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.

 

[glorydaz]

glory:

Many in the world resist God and reject His free gift...that's where free will comes in.

No they dont, no more than they can resist the devil and not accept death..

[quote:2ytex9d1]Acts 7:51 wrote:
Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.

You do this every day, you resist the preaching of the gospel, that verse has nothing to do with the inner working of the Holy Ghost..what you think it means that the Holy Ghost was trying His hardest to regenerate them and they would not let Him ? lol..you are in fantasy land..[/quote:2ytex9d1]

No, what I do every day is point out where you are in error. :biglaugh

 

[savedbygrace57]

glory:

Many in the world resist God and reject His free gift...that's where free will comes in.

No they dont, no more than they can resist the devil and not accept death..

[quote:5lmdb70h]Acts 7:51 wrote:
Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.

You do this every day, you resist the preaching of the gospel, that verse has nothing to do with the inner working of the Holy Ghost..what you think it means that the Holy Ghost was trying His hardest to regenerate them and they would not let Him ? lol..you are in fantasy land..

No, what I do every day is point out where you are in error. :biglaugh[/quote:5lmdb70h]

You reject truth..

 

[glorydaz]

You reject truth..

No, I reject your "truth".

Jesus is the Truth...all truth....not savedbygrace57.

For the record, Jesus is my Lord and Savior..The Spirit of truth abides in me....accusing me of rejecting Jesus is a dangerous road to walk. You do know you will be held accountable for every idle word, don't you? You might do well to rethink your strategy. Those who disagree with your "doctrine" shouldn't be seen as your enemy. I'm wondering if you have the spiritual discernment to know that...

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

 

[savedbygrace57]

glory:

No, I reject your "truth".

Which happens to be Gods Truth, so you reject Gods Truth..not mine..

 

[glorydaz]

glory:

No, I reject your "truth".

Which happens to be Gods Truth, so you reject Gods Truth..not mine..

And here is the Truth you cannot abide....

And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

 

[savedbygrace57]

glory:

No, I reject your "truth".

Which happens to be Gods Truth, so you reject Gods Truth..not mine..

And here is the Truth you cannot abide....

And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Yes, the whole world of Gods elect..