10 Commandments ?

[donadams]

Jesus began by teaching his Disciples the Law, but indicated that Israel was soon to Fall and that the Kingdom was not coming imminently, but instead would come following a long Jewish Diaspora. In the meantime he had taught something that transcended the Law, namely the need for his Disciples to follow him as the Way, Truth, and Life, and to abide in him and in God's Spirit, which had come upon him.

This was the Gospel of the Kingdom, involving the need to always be prepared for that Kingdom by adhering to the Son of God and living in his righteousness. This included not just righteousness but also the need to show forgiveness and mercy so that they also might receive mercy.

the kingdom came with Christ who is the King

 

[RandyK]

the kingdom came with Christ who is the King

You're making a dogmatic statement--not really asking or discussing. I would partly agree with you. When Jesus came he in a sense brought the Kingdom of Heaven with him--not in the eschatological sense, but in the sense of his power and authority, which necessarily rests with him.

But I don't think he was saying anything other than the Kingdom had drawn near, and was in the midst of Israel through his person. It was not accessible in the eschatological sense, which would come, as he said, at the end of the age.

The Kingdom Jesus brought with him endowed the Church with power to testify to him and to his presence with us. He enables us to live in his righteousness and to proclaim his coming Kingdom with power and authority, enabling people to be loosed permanently from the guilt of their sins, and to find in heaven a permanent place for their souls.

 

[donadams]

You're making a dogmatic statement--not really asking or discussing. I would partly agree with you. When Jesus came he in a sense brought the Kingdom of Heaven with him--not in the eschatological sense, but in the sense of his power and authority, which necessarily rests with him.

But I don't think he was saying anything other than the Kingdom had drawn near, and was in the midst of Israel through his person. It was not accessible in the eschatological sense, which would come, as he said, at the end of the age.

The Kingdom Jesus brought with him endowed the Church with power to testify to him and to his presence with us. He enables us to live in his righteousness and to proclaim his coming Kingdom with power and authority, enabling people to be loosed permanently from the guilt of their sins, and to find in heaven a permanent place for their souls.

full kingdom
the new covenant church

Daniel 7:14
And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

Daniel 7:18
But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.

Lk 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;

Lk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

Matthew 5:14
Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

Matt 21:43 taken from Israel given to Peter and the apostles Matt 16:18-19 18:18 Jn 20:21 eph 2:20

1 Peter 4:11
If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Jude 1:8
Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

Jude 1:25
To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

Christ is king and has all authority and dominion!

Matt 6:33 how can we seek a kingdom that does not exist?

Matt 16:18-19 how can Christ the king give Peter the keys of a kingdom that does not exist?

Matt 3:2 Mk 1:5 Lk 21:31 How can they preach: “the kingdom is at hand” if the kingdom does not exist?

Matt 12:28 kingdom has come

 

[RandyK]

full kingdom
the new covenant church

Daniel 7:14
And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

Daniel 7:18
But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.

Lk 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;

Lk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

Matthew 5:14
Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

Matt 21:43 taken from Israel given to Peter and the apostles Matt 16:18-19 18:18 Jn 20:21 eph 2:20

1 Peter 4:11
If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Jude 1:8
Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

Jude 1:25
To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

Christ is king and has all authority and dominion!

Matt 6:33 how can we seek a kingdom that does not exist?

Matt 16:18-19 how can Christ the king give Peter the keys of a kingdom that does not exist?

Matt 3:2 Mk 1:5 Lk 21:31 How can they preach: “the kingdom is at hand” if the kingdom does not exist?

Matt 12:28 kingdom has come

No, the eschatological Kingdom has *not* yet come. My opinion. I've heard yours.

 

[George1]

There is a verses saying when the kingdom of God will come:

Revelation 12:9-11
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9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

 

[RandyK]

There is a verses saying when the kingdom of God will come:

Revelation 12:9-11​

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9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

Yes, Amillennialists feel that Satan was bound at Christ's Cross. But I think that though Satan suffered a significant "defeat" at the Cross, the fulfillment of his imprisonment will only take place in the future, when Christ returns from heaven.

 

[RandyK]

full kingdom
the new covenant church

The "full Kingdom" has not yet come because Jesus explicitly said it had not arrived immediately with his person, or with his 1st Coming. He said it had only "drawn near," which means that though there is evidence of its presence, it is not yet fully here.

Luke 19.11 While they were listening to this, he went on to tell them a parable, because he was near Jerusalem and the people thought that the kingdom of God was going to appear at once.

Rom 3.2 and saying, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven has come near.”

Luke 17.20 Once, on being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, “The coming of the kingdom of God is not something that can be observed, 21 nor will people say, ‘Here it is,’ or ‘There it is,’ because the kingdom of God is in your midst.”

Luke 17.22 Then he said to his disciples, “The time is coming when you will long to see one of the days of the Son of Man, but you will not see it.

Daniel 7:14
And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

The Kingdom of God would come when the succession of 4 Kingdoms come to a complete end. Europe today is a continuation of the tradition of Roman Imperialism. Russia today is a current example of Roman Imperialism.

Daniel 7:18
But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.

Christians have a down payment on their future inheritance. We do not yet have the inheritance.

Lk 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;

Lk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

Matthew 5:14
Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

Matt 21:43 taken from Israel given to Peter and the apostles Matt 16:18-19 18:18 Jn 20:21 eph 2:20

1 Peter 4:11
If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

God's throne always exists in heaven. He has not yet established Christ's rule on earth, obviously, since devils continue to run amok and sinners continue to have their way.

Jude 1:8
Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

Jude 1:25
To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

Christ is king and has all authority and dominion!

Jesus' kingdom has not yet come to earth.

Rev 11.15 The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said:
“The kingdom of the world has become
the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah,
and he will reign for ever and ever.”

Prior to the 7th angel sounding his trumpet there has yet to be the fulfillment of what the 6th previous angels depicted, which includes prophecies preparatory for the establishment of Christ's Kingdom on earth. In the Revelation we see, for example, that there must be a 3.5 year reign of Antichrist, as well as his full destruction, prior to the establishment of Christ's Kingdom on earth.

Matt 6:33 how can we seek a kingdom that does not exist?

We seek a present form of the Kingdom, which had existed in Christ's Person, and which exists in nations that adopt Christianity. But this is not the full manifestation of Christ's Kingdom, which will defeat Antichrist and establish both peace and righteousness on earth.

In the meantime there are aspects of the Kingdom that we may benefit from, namely the benefits of the Gospel of Christ's redemption. We may find our legal place in the future Kingdom of God, and enjoy its righteousness today in our own obedience and in our own relationship with God.

Matt 16:18-19 how can Christ the king give Peter the keys of a kingdom that does not exist?

Matt 3:2 Mk 1:5 Lk 21:31 How can they preach: “the kingdom is at hand” if the kingdom does not exist?

Matt 12:28 kingdom has come

I never said God's Kingdom does not exist. God always rules the universe. But we may say that currently, His rule on earth has self-imposed limitations in order to allow human sin prior to its full judgment.

 

[donadams]

There is a verses saying when the kingdom of God will come:

Revelation 12:9-11​

​

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

accomplish at the cross Amen!

 

[RandyK]

accomplish at the cross Amen!

Apocalyptic imagery here makes regular use of a literary convention in which the "prolepsis" is used. Events are abbreviated using symbolic imagery, and what is future appears to be happening now.

It isn't a good idea to use symbolic material to establish chronological orders of events that are choreographed to display things without any real sense of chronological order.

Acts 1.6 Then they gathered around him and asked him, “Lord, are you at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel?”
7 He said to them: “It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority.

I do not agree that the Kingdom is indicated to come at the point where Jesus died on the Cross. Satan was not imprisoned in the Bottomless Pit at that point.

Rather, the vision indicates the ultimate destiny of Satan, having been defeated at the Cross. It is not a chronological order being conveyed, but a point of consequence to Satan's being defeated by the angels of God.

Many wayward Christian cults utilize prophetic symbolism to prove their validity as a cult and their errant doctrines. That's because symbolism more easily allows error to hide in subjective interpretations of material that is intended to be unliteral.

If you wish to prove that what others perceive to be a future Kingdom has already come, you should do so using biblical statements that are direct to that point, both literal and explicit. Otherwise, you're focused on items that can be illegitimately manipulated, true or not.