1st Century New Believer Teaching A

[HeIsRisen2018]

We often make the mistake of thinking the OT is supposed to spell out it's intention for us, when it's really intended to be discussed in community with a capable leader / teacher.

The whole thing about "arranged marriage," and especially from the female perspective, is very much hidden in Scripture rather than being spelled out, because it was part of their culture. It was understood, so therefore it didn't need to be spelled out.

You read through the whole section in the law, but didn't see what it was saying. To begin to grasp this, you first need to come to terms with what was meant by "an honor society," and any way you slice it it will be primitive and barbaric compared to the culture we grew up with today.

Is the effort to learn all that worthwhile, before having applied at least as much effort to the NT? The NT is directly applicable to us now.

The story of Mary and Joseph occurs in the NT, but before the New Covenant is fully in effect; it's a transitional time. The former things of old (including OT law re: arranged marriages) are in the process of being removed, but that culture was still very much in place. So understanding the depths of OT law on this point is what gives insight into this tiny speck of Scripture, that has no real impact on anything we do today.

So,.. in other words??

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

So,.. in other words??

Hard to say what he was thinking.
But what do we think.
God blessed the family but we put our rules on when we should marry.
Who really has answers?
We all have opinions.
Let's think this out straight.
Maturity was achieved at a younger age than today.
Some compromise should be given there.
We are brought up today to be babies until the parents (if ever) decide to let go.
Saying a woman at age 17 has been raped by her 21 year old boyfriend is very questionable.
This is facism.
We need rules for everything.
Let the government rule.
That is our society today.

What does God say?
Be mature
Grow up in the Word.
Be guided by mature, concerned parents.
As an adult, make sound spiritual decisions.
If you are 28 and living with your parents, it's time to think otherwise.

Get married.
Have children.
Keep Jesus at the center of your life and your marriage.

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

Hard to say what he was thinking.
But what do we think.
God blessed the family but we put our rules on when we should marry.
Who really has answers?
We all have opinions.
Let's think this out straight.
Maturity was achieved at a younger age than today.
Some compromise should be given there.
We are brought up today to be babies until the parents (if ever) decide to let go.
Saying a woman at age 17 has been raped by her 21 year old boyfriend is very questionable.
This is facism.
We need rules for everything.
Let the government rule.
That is our society today.

What does God say?
Be mature
Grow up in the Word.
Be guided by mature, concerned parents.
As an adult, make sound spiritual decisions.
If you are 28 and living with your parents, it's time to think otherwise.

Get married.
Have children.
Keep Jesus at the center of your life and your marriage.

That sounds about right to me. :yes

 

[GodsGrace]

Hard to say what he was thinking.
But what do we think.
God blessed the family but we put our rules on when we should marry.
Who really has answers?
We all have opinions.
Let's think this out straight.
Maturity was achieved at a younger age than today.
Some compromise should be given there.
We are brought up today to be babies until the parents (if ever) decide to let go.
Saying a woman at age 17 has been raped by her 21 year old boyfriend is very questionable.
This is facism.
We need rules for everything.
Let the government rule.
That is our society today.

What does God say?
Be mature
Grow up in the Word.
Be guided by mature, concerned parents.
As an adult, make sound spiritual decisions.
If you are 28 and living with your parents, it's time to think otherwise.

Get married.
Have children.
Keep Jesus at the center of your life and your marriage.

This is a wonderful post, which I just saw.
If only all would practice what you say...what a much better society we'd have.

There would still be problems due to our sin nature....
but they would be cut down considerably.

Concerned parents...this is a key.
Children actually growing up....this is a key.
Making sound, spiritual decisions......

The Kingdom of God.
What Jesus meant for us to have here on earth.

 

[andy pandy]

Following is an example of the teaching of the Church which was given to new believers. It is dated from the late 1st century

The Didache: The Lord's Teaching Through the Twelve Apostles to the Nations.

Chapter 1. The Two Ways and the First Commandment. There are two ways, one of life and one of death, but a great difference between the two ways. The way of life, then, is this: First, you shall love God who made you; second, love your neighbor as yourself, and do not do to another what you would not want done to you. And of these sayings the teaching is this: Bless those who curse you, and pray for your enemies, and fast for those who persecute you. For what reward is there for loving those who love you? Do not the Gentiles do the same? But love those who hate you, and you shall not have an enemy. Abstain from fleshly and worldly lusts. If someone strikes your right cheek, turn to him the other also, and you shall be perfect. If someone impresses you for one mile, go with him two. If someone takes your cloak, give him also your coat. If someone takes from you what is yours, ask it not back, for indeed you are not able. Give to every one who asks you, and ask it not back; for the Father wills that to all should be given of our own blessings (free gifts). Happy is he who gives according to the commandment, for he is guiltless. Woe to him who receives; for if one receives who has need, he is guiltless; but he who receives not having need shall pay the penalty, why he received and for what. And coming into confinement, he shall be examined concerning the things which he has done, and he shall not escape from there until he pays back the last penny. And also concerning this, it has been said, Let your alms sweat in your hands, until you know to whom you should give.

Chapter 2. The Second Commandment: Grave Sin Forbidden. And the second commandment of the Teaching; You shall not commit murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not commit pederasty, you shall not commit fornication, you shall not steal, you shall not practice magic, you shall not practice witchcraft, you shall not murder a child by abortion nor kill that which is born. You shall not covet the things of your neighbor, you shall not swear, you shall not bear false witness, you shall not speak evil, you shall bear no grudge. You shall not be double-minded nor double-tongued, for to be double-tongued is a snare of death. Your speech shall not be false, nor empty, but fulfilled by deed. You shall not be covetous, nor rapacious, nor a hypocrite, nor evil disposed, nor haughty. You shall not take evil counsel against your neighbor. You shall not hate any man; but some you shall reprove, and concerning some you shall pray, and some you shall love more than your own life.

Chapter 3. Other Sins Forbidden. My child, flee from every evil thing, and from every likeness of it. Be not prone to anger, for anger leads to murder. Be neither jealous, nor quarrelsome, nor of hot temper, for out of all these murders are engendered. My child, be not a lustful one. for lust leads to fornication. Be neither a filthy talker, nor of lofty eye, for out of all these adulteries are engendered. My child, be not an observer of omens, since it leads to idolatry. Be neither an enchanter, nor an astrologer, nor a purifier, nor be willing to took at these things, for out of all these idolatry is engendered. My child, be not a liar, since a lie leads to theft. Be neither money-loving, nor vainglorious, for out of all these thefts are engendered. My child, be not a murmurer, since it leads the way to blasphemy. Be neither self-willed nor evil-minded, for out of all these blasphemies are engendered.
Rather, be meek, since the meek shall inherit the earth. Be long-suffering and pitiful and guileless and gentle and good and always trembling at the words which you have heard. You shall not exalt yourself, nor give over-confidence to your soul. Your soul shall not be joined with lofty ones, but with just and lowly ones shall it have its intercourse. Accept whatever happens to you as good, knowing that apart from God nothing comes to pass.

Chapter 4. Various Precepts. My child, remember night and day him who speaks the word of God to you, and honor him as you do the Lord. For wherever the lordly rule is uttered, there is the Lord. And seek out day by day the faces of the saints, in order that you may rest upon their words. Do not long for division, but rather bring those who contend to peace. Judge righteously, and do not respect persons in reproving for transgressions. You shall not be undecided whether or not it shall be. Be not a stretcher forth of the hands to receive and a drawer of them back to give. If you have anything, through your hands you shall give ransom for your sins. Do not hesitate to give, nor complain when you give; for you shall know who is the good repayer of the hire. Do not turn away from him who is in want; rather, share all things with your brother, and do not say that they are your own. For if you are partakers in that which is immortal, how much more in things which are mortal? Do not remove your hand from your son or daughter; rather, teach them the fear of God from their youth. Do not enjoin anything in your bitterness upon your bondman or maidservant, who hope in the same God, lest ever they shall fear not God who is over both; for he comes not to call according to the outward appearance, but to them whom the Spirit has prepared. And you bondmen shall be subject to your masters as to a type of God, in modesty and fear. You shall hate all hypocrisy and everything which is not pleasing to the Lord. Do not in any way forsake the commandments of the Lord; but keep what you have received, neither adding thereto nor taking away therefrom. In the church you shall acknowledge your transgressions, and you shall not come near for your prayer with an evil conscience. This is the way of life.

Chapter 5. The Way of Death. And the way of death is this: First of all it is evil and accursed: murders, adultery, lust, fornication, thefts, idolatries, magic arts, witchcrafts, rape, false witness, hypocrisy, double-heartedness, deceit, haughtiness, depravity, self-will, greediness, filthy talking, jealousy, over-confidence, loftiness, boastfulness; persecutors of the good, hating truth, loving a lie, not knowing a reward for righteousness, not cleaving to good nor to righteous judgment, watching not for that which is good, but for that which is evil; from whom meekness and endurance are far, loving vanities, pursuing revenge, not pitying a poor man, not laboring for the afflicted, not knowing Him Who made them, murderers of children, destroyers of the handiwork of God, turning away from him who is in want, afflicting him who is distressed, advocates of the rich, lawless judges of the poor, utter sinners. Be delivered, children, from all these.

What is the purpose of this thread as all you have done is post some verses?

 

[GodsGrace]

What is the purpose of this thread as all you have done is post some verses?

Andy,
Jim Parker is no longer a participating member.
This is an old thread...

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Sex with a 13 year old to 17 year old .not a minor then as in that time ,it was accepted

Depends upon who you were talking to. Nero or other Romans? Yes. The Christians? no. Humans became physically mature later in life than now. A 13 year old would still physically be somewhat of a child.

 

[jasonc]

Depends upon who you were talking to. Nero or other Romans? Yes. The Christians? no. Humans became physically mature later in life than now. A 13 year old would still physically be somewhat of a child.

Because we aren't farmers. I'm not here to debate that .but honestly you can train a teen to use my pocket pistol and they will use it wisely .

But got forbid other things . I'm not saying to go back but to ignore that for some teens they are more mature then octagenerians.

I know minors who have operated back hoes ,large pieces of equipment but legally can't drive a smart car and some 16 year old can but can lower the outriggers on a back hoe.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Because we aren't farmers. I'm not here to debate that .but honestly you can train a teen to use my pocket pistol and they will use it wisely .

But got forbid other things . I'm not saying to go back but to ignore that for some teens they are more mature then octagenerians.

I know minors who have operated back hoes ,large pieces of equipment but legally can't drive a smart car and some 16 year old can but can lower the outriggers on a back hoe.

Has nothing to do with physical maturity 2022 years ago.

 

[jasonc]

Has nothing to do with physical maturity 2022 years ago.

Plenty . Did we magically change in development,no .

Transgender rights ,gay rights aren't new


Even women's rights aren't new .

The word lesbian comes from the isle called lesbos that was where women had equal rights as men was started in the Roman empire and it was so for a season .

Look my fil born during the depression was shooting and hunting and fishing with a 22 and carried a knife at nine.his mother wasnt arrested ,his mother said either go to school ,or come home with a meal .he choose to hunt. That was the early 40s.

No one thought it was bad .no one said he shouldn't have a gun.it is what was the normal way . Knowing algebra won't work that till ,catch that fish . That's my point . My fil and his past is interesting and broken .his older sister raised him later on as his mother left their father . The older two sisters finished high school . The brothers I don't think they did . I would have to ask.

Alot of things 80 years ago wouldn't be tolerated

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Plenty . Did we magically change in development,no .

Transgender rights ,gay rights aren't new


Even women's rights aren't new .

The word lesbian comes from the isle called lesbos that was where women had equal rights as men was started in the Roman empire and it was so for a season .

Look my fil born during the depression was shooting and hunting and fishing with a 22 and carried a knife at nine.his mother wasnt arrested ,his mother said either go to school ,or come home with a meal .he choose to hunt. That was the early 40s.

No one thought it was bad .no one said he shouldn't have a gun.it is what was the normal way . Knowing algebra won't work that till ,catch that fish . That's my point . My fil and his past is interesting and broken .his older sister raised him later on as his mother left their father . The older two sisters finished high school . The brothers I don't think they did . I would have to ask.

Alot of things 80 years ago wouldn't be tolerated

How shall I put it? Human beings did not reach the age of being able to reproduce until much later millennia ago. Has nothing to do with physical labor. People of poorer incomes with less good nutrition reached the age of being able to reproduce even later. IOW, 13 year old girls were not mature by any stretch of the imagination. The mother of Jesus, Mary, for example, was likely 19 or early 20s. Males matured even later.

 

[jasonc]

How shall I put it? Human beings did not reach the age of being able to reproduce until much later millennia ago. Has nothing to do with physical labor. People of poorer incomes with less good nutrition reached the age of being able to reproduce even later. IOW, 13 year old girls were not mature by any stretch of the imagination. The mother of Jesus, Mary, for example, was likely 19 or early 20s. Males matured even later.

Gonna disagree .let's say laws of marriage as my wife's born this way.

It wasn't lllegal to marry a 14 year old.
My grandfather spoke of this time.born in 1904 ,died in 1991.

Our food to unatural and corn of today isn't the same as then.i don't see man in general in the west as better in nutrition.

I grew up poor ,often having no water or electric eating poorly .

Poor soul food
.
Grits ,collards ,biscuit ,sausage .water and citrus .blacks lived that way .

Often grown in their own lot and made by their hands .

I visited grave yardd that predates the very state I live in and. Also go back to colonies on some headstones .

Only the modern west do we have overweight poor . My fil was soo poor he said milk was out of his range .he grew up on a grove

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Gonna disagree .let's say laws of marriage as my wife's born this way.

It wasn't lllegal to marry a 14 year old.
My grandfather spoke of this time.born in 1904 ,died in 1991.

Our food to unatural and corn of today isn't the same as then.i don't see man in general in the west as better in nutrition.

I grew up poor ,often having no water or electric eating poorly .

Poor soul food
.
Grits ,collards ,biscuit ,sausage .water and citrus .blacks lived that way .

Often grown in their own lot and made by their hands .

I visited grave yardd that predates the very state I live in and. Also go back to colonies on some headstones .

Only the modern west do we have overweight poor . My fil was soo poor he said milk was out of his range .he grew up on a grove

It’s a fact that humans beings matured later millennia ago.

 

[andy pandy]

Because we aren't farmers. I'm not here to debate that .but honestly you can train a teen to use my pocket pistol and they will use it wisely .

But got forbid other things . I'm not saying to go back but to ignore that for some teens they are more mature then octagenerians.

I know minors who have operated back hoes ,large pieces of equipment but legally can't drive a smart car and some 16 year old can but can lower the outriggers on a back hoe.

I have heard of cases of farmers' sons who did all the chores on the farm as s second nature and when it came to getting a road license, a quick brush up on the law was all that was needed and they passed first time without any lessons.