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25 years later - The Branch Davidians.

Rollo Tamasi

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The massacre in Waco Texas is still today understood very little by everyone in America who was alive at that time.
The Davidians were an off shoot of the 7th Day Adventists and started in the 1930's by Victor Houteff.
He bought the land in Waco Texas.
The Branch Davidians were named after King David concerning the future Davidic kingdom that was to come.
Vernon Howell became David Koresh.
In 1981 he had an affair with the owner.
When the leader went to prison for murder in 1990, he took over.
Koresh claimed prophecy and led the group to prepare for the coming apocalypse.

A number of Branch Davidians exist today, many of whom see Koresh as a splinter leader from their own legitimate tradition. And many of the Branch Davidians who ultimately died at Waco had been longstanding members of the community, practicing their faith long before Koresh was even born.

Although rumors were that Koresh molested some of the children, the reason the FBI came in was because of what was thought to be a large cache of weapons.
What followed was a 51 day standoff started by the ATF and taken over by the FBI.
The FBI ensembled 897 armed fighters.
Along with tanks, helicopters and other armed vehicles.

Then on April 19, somehow a fire broke out from an attack of weapons and it killed 76 of the 85 Branch Davidians, including David Koresh and many children.
The media treated it as a group of crazy cult people that got what they deserved.
They compared David Koresh with Jim Jones in Guyana.

For right-wing militias and so-called Patriot groups, Waco amounts to evidence of a tyrannical, illegitimate government unblinkingly prepared to kill its own people ... the specter of Waco has not faded. Right-wing extremists regularly invoke it as a defining moment, proof of Washington’s perfidy. “Waco can happen at any given time,” Mike Vanderboegh, a prominent figure in the Patriot movement, told Retro Report. He added ominously: “But the outcome will be different this time. Of that I can assure you.”

As Christians, we need to rethink what is a cult and what is a dangerous cult.
The Christian community should take care of it's own.
 
The Christian community should take care of it's own.

You mean like, say the feds have your church surrounded and a few of us church buddies in Christ come into the neighborhood and work the rear line of the enemy?!

I like how you think Brother! We should back each other up.
 
You mean like, say the feds have your church surrounded and a few of us church buddies in Christ come into the neighborhood and work the rear line of the enemy?!

I like how you think Brother! We should back each other up.
Lol, not exactly.
If we see a church whose reputation is tainted, we should step in and offer help to straighten things out.
Right now it seems it's every church for themselves.
 
The massacre in Waco Texas is still today understood very little by everyone in America who was alive at that time.
The Davidians were an off shoot of the 7th Day Adventists and started in the 1930's by Victor Houteff.
He bought the land in Waco Texas.
The Branch Davidians were named after King David concerning the future Davidic kingdom that was to come.
Vernon Howell became David Koresh.
In 1981 he had an affair with the owner.
When the leader went to prison for murder in 1990, he took over.
Koresh claimed prophecy and led the group to prepare for the coming apocalypse.

A number of Branch Davidians exist today, many of whom see Koresh as a splinter leader from their own legitimate tradition. And many of the Branch Davidians who ultimately died at Waco had been longstanding members of the community, practicing their faith long before Koresh was even born.

Although rumors were that Koresh molested some of the children, the reason the FBI came in was because of what was thought to be a large cache of weapons.
What followed was a 51 day standoff started by the ATF and taken over by the FBI.
The FBI ensembled 897 armed fighters.
Along with tanks, helicopters and other armed vehicles.

Then on April 19, somehow a fire broke out from an attack of weapons and it killed 76 of the 85 Branch Davidians, including David Koresh and many children.
The media treated it as a group of crazy cult people that got what they deserved.
They compared David Koresh with Jim Jones in Guyana.

For right-wing militias and so-called Patriot groups, Waco amounts to evidence of a tyrannical, illegitimate government unblinkingly prepared to kill its own people ... the specter of Waco has not faded. Right-wing extremists regularly invoke it as a defining moment, proof of Washington’s perfidy. “Waco can happen at any given time,” Mike Vanderboegh, a prominent figure in the Patriot movement, told Retro Report. He added ominously: “But the outcome will be different this time. Of that I can assure you.”

As Christians, we need to rethink what is a cult and what is a dangerous cult.
The Christian community should take care of it's own.
Just saw this when I posted a thread here....
Glad I did.
I also remember this incident and remember thinking what great power the government has...not a good thing for us.
I remember thinking that the govt should have just walked away and/or handled this in a different manner.

I don't know, though, how the Christian community could have been of any help.
We've lived through sad times....
 
Just saw this when I posted a thread here....
Glad I did.
I also remember this incident and remember thinking what great power the government has...not a good thing for us.
I remember thinking that the govt should have just walked away and/or handled this in a different manner.

I don't know, though, how the Christian community could have been of any help.
We've lived through sad times....
I write lots of threads you don't see.
 
I remember it like it was yesterday and I followed it closely. I don't believe that David Koresh was molesting the children (they always say that to garner support)

I sure remember Janet Reno and her, I take full responsibility statement. So why wasn't she jailed or her head on a pike in front of the Capitol Building, or anything.

And the whole fiasco was filmed. The flir picked up machine gun muzzle flashes towards the house as it was burning and some tryed to get out. They murdered those people to cover up their mistake of over reacting to the whole situation.
...no one lives, said Janet. :angry
 
I remember it like it was yesterday and I followed it closely. I don't believe that David Koresh was molesting the children (they always say that to garner support)

I sure remember Janet Reno and her, I take full responsibility statement. So why wasn't she jailed or her head on a pike in front of the Capitol Building, or anything.

And the whole fiasco was filmed. The flir picked up machine gun muzzle flashes towards the house as it was burning and some tryed to get out. They murdered those people to cover up their mistake of over reacting to the whole situation.
...no one lives, said Janet. :angry
I can't remember who the president was....
Was it Clinton?
 
Then on April 19, somehow a fire broke out from an attack of weapons and it killed 76 of the 85 Branch Davidians, including David Koresh and many children.

A fire didn’t somehow start.
They pumped CS gas into those buildings for 8 hours.

CS -- the common name for orthochlorbenzalmalononitrile -- is a fine white powder, about the consistency of talcum powder, and it must be spread with some type of dispersing agent. But it has several nasty qualities, including its flammability.

When burned, CS releases a deadly gas, hydrogen cyanide.


Use of CS in war is prohibited under the terms of the Chemical Weapons Convention[citation needed], signed by most nations in 1993



https://www.austinchronicle.com/news/2000-07-07/77866
 
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A fire didn’t somehow start.
They pumped CS gas into those buildings for 8 hours.

CS -- the common name for orthochlorbenzalmalononitrile -- is a fine white powder, about the consistency of talcum powder, and it must be spread with some type of dispersing agent. But it has several nasty qualities, including its flammability.

When burned, CS releases a deadly gas, hydrogen cyanide.


Use of CS in war is prohibited under the terms of the Chemical Weapons Convention[citation needed], signed by most nations in 1993



https://www.austinchronicle.com/news/2000-07-07/77866
uhm no cs is a joke ,its a poor riot control agent

even with asthma I can fight off cop and civilian pepper spray and those are way stronger.

I know my nbc.my nbc nco would bake that so hard in it as he was used to it he ate breakfast in it and had it so thick it was a fog and spent hours in it .

you don't get issues masks that aren't tested to be sealed and train on them.they make us fit them and then yearly would makes enter ,take off the mask and breathe in cyanide ,you stayed in 5 to 15 minutes

inhaled cyanide is going to kill quickly .I did this on active duty four times ,and several times in the guard ,im buildings half the size of my house ,my master bedroom was bigger then the cs chamber ,I know guys who took cs and did pt in it
 
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