3 and 1/2-yr Tribulation
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Is it beyond reason to believe that 75 days before the GT begins, the church could migrate to Judea? Then 30 days prior, the church could flee to the mountains?
This actually happened in type in 68 AD.
Josephus (A.D. 75) - Jewish Historian
"Besides these [signs], a few days after that feast, on the one- and-twentieth day of the month Artemisius, [Jyar,] a certain prodigious and incredible phenomenon appeared; I suppose the account of it would seem to be a fable, were it not related by those that saw it, and were not the events that followed it of so considerable a nature as to deserve such signals; for, before sun-setting, chariots and troops of soldiers in their armour were seen running about among the clouds, and surrounding of cities. Moreover, at that feast which we call Pentecost, as the priests were going by night into the inner [court of the] temple, as their custom was, to perform their sacred ministrations, they said that, in the first place, they felt a quaking, and heard a great noise, and after that they heard a sound as of a great multitude, saying, "Let us remove hence" (Jewish Wars, VI-V-3).
At this point the church migrated to Pella and was spared the atrocities of the destruction of Jerusalem. Now, can God do this again at the end of the age?
Isa 11:11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.
Time frame?
Isa 11:10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.
The beginning of the Millenium.
Interesting, I have not seen this timing before. Now depending on how you look at Dan 9, but when I read this...
Dan 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
(and I have posted before about the four decrees and the only one that can be used as the beginning marker is 457BC) From 457BC + 483 years brings us to 27AD, which was the beginning of Christ's ministry. With your time calculation, could we say that 2016 could be the beginning of the GT? Just me thinking out loud here.
OK, sorry, you probably would have caught that without my interjection.
Shalom Nmwings
Yes, here is my OP from another Forum
The valley of Trouble is for a door of Hope, Look UP, your redemption draws near
The Task of the 144,000 > just as Moses was a deliverer and led the Assembly out of Egypt < there will be 144,000 Assemblies Of Mt. Zion in the Greater Exodus.
The 144,000
They are upon Mount Zion
And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the Mount Zion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having His Father's name written in their foreheads. Rev 14:1
They are deliverers
And deliverers shall come up on Mount Zion to judge the mount of Esau; and the kingdom shall be YHWH's Ob 21
They shepherd the assemblies in the Greater Exodus
And YHWH will create upon every dwelling place of Mount Zion, and upon her assemblies, a cloud and smoke by day, and the shining of a flaming fire by night: for upon all the glory shall be a chuppah Is 4:5
Greater Exodus
Therefore, behold, the days come, saith YHWH, that they shall no more say, YHWH lives, which brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt; But, YHWH lives, which brought up and which led the seed of the house of Israel out of the north country, and from all countries whither I had driven them; and they shall dwell in their own land. Jer 23:7-8
When > The Great Tribulation, Jacobs Trouble
As a shepherd seeks out his flock in the day that he is among his sheep that are scattered; so will I seek out My sheep, and will deliver them out of all places where they have been scattered in the cloudy and dark day. Ez 34:12
Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Yacob's trouble, but he shall be saved out of it. Jer 30:7
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That which has been is now; and that which is to be has already been; and ELOHIYM requires that which is past. Ecc 3:15
According to the days of thy coming out of the land of Egypt will I show unto him marvelous things. The nations shall see and be confounded at all their might: they shall lay their hand upon their mouth, their ears shall be deaf. Micah 7:15-16
And it shall come to pass in that day, that the ADONAY shall set His hand again the second time to recover the remnant of His people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea. And He shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth. Is 11:11-12
YHWH does build up Jerusalem: He gathers together the outcasts of Israel. Ps 147:2
As I live, saith ADONAY YHWH, surely with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out, will I rule over you: And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out. And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you Face to face. Ez 20:33-35
Watch you therefore, and pray always, that you may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before The Son of Man. Lu 21:36
The Woman with the twelve stars/ Tribes of Israel
And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of ELOHIYM, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. Rev 12:6,14
You have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto Myself. Ex 19:4
Therefore, behold, I will allure her, and bring her into the wilderness, and speak comfortably unto her. And I will give her her vineyards from thence, and the valley of trouble for a door of hope: and she shall sing there, as in the days of her youth, and as in the day when she came up out of the land of Egypt. -> Hosea 2:14-15
Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I plead with you, says the ADONAY YHWH. Ez 20:36
Moreover, brethren, I would not that you should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; 1 Cor 10:1
Just because someone comes out of the country where they are living in an assembly of Mount Zion, It doesn't mean they will enter the land of Israel.
And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against Me: I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel: and you shall know that I am YHWH. Ez 20:38
Two Folds will be made One in the day of Yezreel. ie Yacob's distress tsarah
Then shall the children of Yahudah and the children of Yisrael be gathered together, and appoint themselves One Head, and they shall come up out of the land: for great shall be the day of Jezreel. Hosea 1:11
And other sheep (House of Israel) I have, which are not of this fold (House of Judah): them also I must bring, and they shall hear My voice; and there shall be one fold, and One Shepherd. Therefore doth my Father love Me, because I lay down My life, that I might take it again. John 10:16-17
Paul instructs the Ephesians that they were formerly gentiles, and that In Messiah they are Citizens of Israel 2:11-12
He informs the Galatians that in Messiah they are the Seed of Abraham... Gal 3:29
Is 41:8 But thou, Israel, art My servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham My Friend.
When YHWH shall build up Tzion, He shall appear in His glory. Ps 102:16
And He shall reign over the house of Yacob for ever; and of His kingdom there shall be no end. Luke 1:33
<><><> Warning against pre -trib
All the sinners of My people shall die by the sword, which say, The evil shall not overtake nor precede us. In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen… Amos 9:10-11
I pray not that thou should take them out of the world, but that thou should keep them from the evil…Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on Me through their word; John 17:15,20
The righteous shall never be removed: but the wicked shall not inhabit the earth. Proverbs 10:30
The First Commandment, Believe in Me
I am YHWH thy ELOHIYM, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before Me. Ex 20:2-3
Greatest Commandment
Shema Yisrael YHWH Eloheynu YHWH Echad
Blessings....Ebed
This is one of many passages that foretell a 2nd Exodus. I’m delighted you’re aware of it!
According to the instructions given to us in the book of Exodus, we leave our homes (Egypt) after we eat the Feast of Redemption: the Passover meal (aka The Lord’s Supper.) Passover falls on Tuesday, March 26 of this year (although your calendar most likely says March 27 because Judaism observes it on the wrong day.)
The way I understand it at this very moment: we’ll eat the Passover on Monday night (the eve of the 14th), load up our tent and gear on Tuesday (Passover) and leave our home on Wednesday night, March 27 (the 1st day of Unleavened Bread) just like Israel did on the 1st Exodus. Of course, this is a IF/THEN situation: IF we see the Altar shut down and the image set up THEN we leave.
The idea behind the Exodus was to escape the captivity of the strange pharaoh's Egypt. What captivity will we be escaping this spring?
Eze 5:1 And thou, son of man, take thee a sharp knife, take thee a barber's razor, and cause it to pass upon thine head and upon thy beard: then take thee balances to weigh, and divide the hair.
Eze 5:2 Thou shalt burn with fire a third part in the midst of the city, when the days of the siege are fulfilled: and thou shalt take a third part, and smite about it with a knife: and a third part thou shalt scatter in the wind; and I will draw out a sword after them.
Eze 5:3 Thou shalt also take thereof a few in number, and bind them in thy skirts.
Eze 5:4 Then take of them again, and cast them into the midst of the fire, and burn them in the fire; for thereof shall a fire come forth into all the house of Israel.
Eze 6:12 He that is far off shall die of the pestilence; and he that is near shall fall by the sword; and he that remaineth and is besieged shall die by the famine: thus will I accomplish my fury upon them.
This did not happen in 70AD, those far off did not die of pestilence, in fact only those in and around Judea suffered this fate. The ten tribes that had migrated away were not destroyed at this time.
Eze 5:2 Thou shalt burn with fire a third part in the midst of the city, when the days of the siege are fulfilled: and thou shalt take a third part, and smite about it with a knife: and a third part thou shalt scatter in the wind; and I will draw out a sword after them.
Eze 5:3 Thou shalt also take thereof a few in number, and bind them in thy skirts.
Eze 5:4 Then take of them again, and cast them into the midst of the fire, and burn them in the fire; for thereof shall a fire come forth into all the house of Israel.
Eze 6:12 He that is far off shall die of the pestilence; and he that is near shall fall by the sword; and he that remaineth and is besieged shall die by the famine: thus will I accomplish my fury upon them.
This did not happen in 70AD, those far off did not die of pestilence, in fact only those in and around Judea suffered this fate. The ten tribes that had migrated away were not destroyed at this time.
I've never been a very good teacher, so let me give you the video that first introduced this interpretation to me. It's called "Daniel's Timeline" by Dewey Bruton.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvMGkgJAV44
Pharaoh who knew not Joseph, an Excellent Teaching
http://www.billcloudblog.com/pharaoh-who-knew-not-joseph/
Picture of Pharaoh who knows not Joseph
http://www.theblogmocracy.com/wp-content/uploads/PharaohObama300x300.jpg
Excellent question!
The main goal of the Exodus wasn’t to free Israel from slavery. If it was, God would have simply “beamed†them out of there leaving the Egyptians high-and-dry for laborers. The primary goal of the Exodus was for the whole world to know who the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is. God reveals His name to us for the very first time in Ex 6:6-8. He wants us to know His name, but He also wants us to know what His name means. And the Exodus story tells us that His name means, “I do what I say I’m going to do!†God spoke it in Gen 15:13-20 and then He did it exactly as He said He would do! Not only that, but He performed it on the very day He spoke it. In Ex 12:41 Moses specifically notes that the day they left Egypt was exactly 430 years to the day when God made this promise. This means that the promise was given to Abraham on Nisan 15 (the 1st day of Unleavened Bread) even before there was a Feast of Unleavened Bread given to us through Moses! God is working on His Appointed Times long before we even found out they were Appointed Times.
The 10 Judgments on Egypt is God’s way making Himself known. Egypt worshipped everything under the sun as a god (including the sun!) and all those false gods were blocking Israel and Egypt from really knowing the Lord. So to get their attention and to get them to recognize who He is, God has to “whack†all their gods and show them, “That’s not god! I’m God!†The same holds true for the Tribulation. The seals, trumpets and bowls follow the same pattern of the 10 plagues, only on a much larger scale. Instead of 3 sets of 3 judgments followed by a final judgment in the 1st Exodus, there will be 3 sets of 7 judgments in the Tribulation. And just as God’s people were protected from the plagues that fell upon Egypt the 1st time, so shall His people be protected from the judgments the 2nd time. BUT…. You have to be willing to leave Egypt.
The secondary goal ties in with the primary goal, in that God swore to Abraham that he and his descendants would inherit a certain piece of Land. The Exodus story (Ex, Lev, Num and Deut) show us the events that took place ON THE WAY TO THE PROMISED LAND. We, being descendants of Abraham thru our faith in Messiah (the promised Son) will also inherit the Promised Land. And since we are the last generation, we must also make a “wilderness journey†of our own in order to get there. Granted, most believers get there when they die, but we have a choice. As the last generation, we can choose to either get there like the generations before us OR, we can witness the glory of the Lord coming in the clouds and literally WALK INTO the Kingdom. But again, we have to be willing to leave Egypt.
Shalom Dewey
In the timeline, how do you understand, Messiah cut off in relation to the weeks of Years.
thanks
Ebed
Re: Messiah cut off
From DanielsTimeline
Hi, If you will read the whole email it will answer your question and more..
Most do not understand that prophecy comes multi-layered. For instance, everyone understands how the 70 weeks of Daniel (Dan 9:24-27) meant the First Coming of our Messiah ( 70 X 7 = 490 yrs.) But..... our Father Himself tells us there is more to Scripture and Prophecy than just the surface meanings……..
Isa 46:9-10 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
Since He explained how the “ancient things” reveal the “future,” and from the beginning (Creation Week) He declared/revealed the end (Latter Years), it is just like our Father to use the same Daniel Scriptures (Dan 9:24-27) to reveal, not only our Messiah’s First Coming, but to reveal BOTH…the First and the Second Coming, and He does just that... He is the master at this and He will not be limited.
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Consider the Manna: While feeding Israel, the Father gave them the 1 through 7 week; He gave them the Sabbath, He gave them a task for them to obey seeing if they would walk in His law or not, He gave them the calendar, and the location of the Feast days that would be given soon. He also gave them a Prophetic Shadow Picture… As Israel took the manna (bread from Heaven) into their bodies He illustrated the True Bread From Heaven who was to come exemplifying the spiritual picture of how we are to take the Messiah into us, and on and on......... He did a multi-layered work by using only one thing. The wisdom of the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob cannot be measured
Yes, what one prophecy or timing means to one generation, the same prophecy can reveal a deeper understanding to a future generation as Yah reveals more of Himself; even another level of fulfillment that did not pertain to a past generation. People get stuck in the single mind-set thinking: "OK that prophecy has been fulfilled now on to the next one,” and all the while become blind to what is happening in our own lifetime.
An excellent example of this degreed fulfillment is found in the 30, 60, and 100-fold pattern in growth and prophecy that Yeshua Himself taught.
Some brought forth fruit, some 30-fold and some 60-fold and some 100-fold. This is the same as to say: Fruit (30-fold); More Fruit (60-fold); and Much Fruit (100-fold). Another is being baptized with Water (30), with the Holy Ghost (60), and with Fire (100-fold). Also we see the same pattern in the good (30), acceptable (60), and perfect (100-fold) will of the Father being done. Or how about first the blade (30-fold), then the corn in the ear (60-fold), and finally the full ear of corn (100-fold)...
A major example of 30, 60, and 100-fold is also the Tabernacle itself: the outer court (30), the inner court (60) and the Holy of Holies (100-fold). The pieces of furniture not only represent an order of worship, but also each piece represents one of the Feasts of the LORD, each piece represents one day in the creation week, each piece represents a separate millennia, as well as our spiritual walk toward Him, and much more.
There are many such examples of degrees of fulfillment in prophecy as when Yah revealed the end while giving us the beginning…. thus we also recognize the multi-layered fulfillment of Daniel. Our Father will not allow what was to stop what is yet prophesied to come.
To give further witness to Daniel’s prophecy as a multi-layered prophecy, Daniel 9:24 speaks about the end of several things.
Da 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
Have all the transgressions been finished, has an end been made to all sin or is it still going on, has everlasting righteousness been ushered in yet, has the Most Holy been anointed yet, etc., etc? In a measure they have by Yeshua’s death, burial, and resurrection, but obviously not to the fullness that He intends to do in our generation. So we can clearly see there is much more to this prophecy than just the surface reading.
Another witness: One might say the swine sacrificed on the Altar by Antiochus Epiphanes fulfilled Daniel’s abomination prophecy. Another can say no, it was the Dome of the Rock that was set up 1300+years ago that fulfilled the Daniel’s abomination prophecy. The fact remains that another abomination will be set up on the Temple mount other than what has happened in the past. It is that abomination that starts the remaining 1260-day woman in the wilderness and the 1260-day two witness prophecies. There will be another abomination all right and it will be set up just days after the Altar is shut down in 2013. Yah will not allow what was, to stop what is prophesied to come. Whatever measure of prophecy that has been fulfilled in the past will not prevent the plurality of the same prophecy that is yet to come.
Now, what about the Messiah being cut off? He cannot be crucified a second time so how can this be multi-layered prophecy where the Messiah is cut off in the midst of the week once again?
The word used for “cut off” is “Karath” and comes with multi-layered meanings too.
Cut off:
trk Karath (kaw-rath'); Verb, Strong #: 3772
to cut, cut off, cut down, cut off a body part, cut out, eliminate, kill, cut a covenant
We know, as Yeshua taught, when accept Him into our lives (partake of His blood and His body) we become part of "the body of Christ." And it was Yeshua Himself who said that what you have done to the least of these (we who are His) is the same as doing it unto Him. Should someone should harm you or kill you for His sake, Yeshua takes this personally as doing it unto Him. And there is also an agreement/covenant that will be cut in the midst of the final seven years as well.
For all practical purposes, this world and this country we live in has already begun trying to cut Him off. This evil world will certainly try to cut Yeshua off from even mentioning His name. Those who refuse to deny Him and continue to profess Him will be labeled as religious fanatics and eventually considered a threat to national security. The evil powers of this world are out to cut Him off all right; they try to cut Him off more and more every day; out of schools, court rooms, public prayer, and every other place they can think of to eliminate Him off the face of the earth. One day in the near future we may not even be able to mention His name without being arrested, or even killed just like it was almost 2000 years ago when the believers were persecuted.
All of these things given to Daniel were to be sealed up UNTIL the latter days and those days are upon us.
Da 12:9-10 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
Even Yeshua spoke in ways that the wise would understand but the wicked would not.
Mt 13:13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
Mt 13:34-35 All these things spake Yeshua unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them: That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.
Again, we MUST understand this .......... whatever measure of prophecy that has been fulfilled in the past will not prevent the plurality of the same prophecy that is yet to come.
Blessings……….Dewey
Added
Here are three Timelines that are all pointing to the GT- YOM TERUAH happening very soon, but each one is from different biblical perspectives, DanielsTimeline, Daniel Unsealed-119ministries-testallthings - and the one I have been posting since 2010.
Weeks of Years - DanielsTimeline
Signs in the sun and moon on His Appointed Times - 119 Ministries
Here - Covenant Confirmed
YESHUA Hu Adonai YAHUWAH
Ebed
[video=youtube;z26ovVTuFoM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z26ovVTuFoM[/video]
In the timeline, how do you understand, Messiah cut off in relation to the weeks of Years.
thanks
Ebed
Re: Messiah cut off
From DanielsTimeline
Hi, If you will read the whole email it will answer your question and more..
Most do not understand that prophecy comes multi-layered. For instance, everyone understands how the 70 weeks of Daniel (Dan 9:24-27) meant the First Coming of our Messiah ( 70 X 7 = 490 yrs.) But..... our Father Himself tells us there is more to Scripture and Prophecy than just the surface meanings……..
Isa 46:9-10 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
Since He explained how the “ancient things” reveal the “future,” and from the beginning (Creation Week) He declared/revealed the end (Latter Years), it is just like our Father to use the same Daniel Scriptures (Dan 9:24-27) to reveal, not only our Messiah’s First Coming, but to reveal BOTH…the First and the Second Coming, and He does just that... He is the master at this and He will not be limited.
.
Consider the Manna: While feeding Israel, the Father gave them the 1 through 7 week; He gave them the Sabbath, He gave them a task for them to obey seeing if they would walk in His law or not, He gave them the calendar, and the location of the Feast days that would be given soon. He also gave them a Prophetic Shadow Picture… As Israel took the manna (bread from Heaven) into their bodies He illustrated the True Bread From Heaven who was to come exemplifying the spiritual picture of how we are to take the Messiah into us, and on and on......... He did a multi-layered work by using only one thing. The wisdom of the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob cannot be measured
Yes, what one prophecy or timing means to one generation, the same prophecy can reveal a deeper understanding to a future generation as Yah reveals more of Himself; even another level of fulfillment that did not pertain to a past generation. People get stuck in the single mind-set thinking: "OK that prophecy has been fulfilled now on to the next one,” and all the while become blind to what is happening in our own lifetime.
An excellent example of this degreed fulfillment is found in the 30, 60, and 100-fold pattern in growth and prophecy that Yeshua Himself taught.
Some brought forth fruit, some 30-fold and some 60-fold and some 100-fold. This is the same as to say: Fruit (30-fold); More Fruit (60-fold); and Much Fruit (100-fold). Another is being baptized with Water (30), with the Holy Ghost (60), and with Fire (100-fold). Also we see the same pattern in the good (30), acceptable (60), and perfect (100-fold) will of the Father being done. Or how about first the blade (30-fold), then the corn in the ear (60-fold), and finally the full ear of corn (100-fold)...
A major example of 30, 60, and 100-fold is also the Tabernacle itself: the outer court (30), the inner court (60) and the Holy of Holies (100-fold). The pieces of furniture not only represent an order of worship, but also each piece represents one of the Feasts of the LORD, each piece represents one day in the creation week, each piece represents a separate millennia, as well as our spiritual walk toward Him, and much more.
There are many such examples of degrees of fulfillment in prophecy as when Yah revealed the end while giving us the beginning…. thus we also recognize the multi-layered fulfillment of Daniel. Our Father will not allow what was to stop what is yet prophesied to come.
To give further witness to Daniel’s prophecy as a multi-layered prophecy, Daniel 9:24 speaks about the end of several things.
Da 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
Have all the transgressions been finished, has an end been made to all sin or is it still going on, has everlasting righteousness been ushered in yet, has the Most Holy been anointed yet, etc., etc? In a measure they have by Yeshua’s death, burial, and resurrection, but obviously not to the fullness that He intends to do in our generation. So we can clearly see there is much more to this prophecy than just the surface reading.
Another witness: One might say the swine sacrificed on the Altar by Antiochus Epiphanes fulfilled Daniel’s abomination prophecy. Another can say no, it was the Dome of the Rock that was set up 1300+years ago that fulfilled the Daniel’s abomination prophecy. The fact remains that another abomination will be set up on the Temple mount other than what has happened in the past. It is that abomination that starts the remaining 1260-day woman in the wilderness and the 1260-day two witness prophecies. There will be another abomination all right and it will be set up just days after the Altar is shut down in 2013. Yah will not allow what was, to stop what is prophesied to come. Whatever measure of prophecy that has been fulfilled in the past will not prevent the plurality of the same prophecy that is yet to come.
Now, what about the Messiah being cut off? He cannot be crucified a second time so how can this be multi-layered prophecy where the Messiah is cut off in the midst of the week once again?
The word used for “cut off” is “Karath” and comes with multi-layered meanings too.
Cut off:
trk Karath (kaw-rath'); Verb, Strong #: 3772
to cut, cut off, cut down, cut off a body part, cut out, eliminate, kill, cut a covenant
We know, as Yeshua taught, when accept Him into our lives (partake of His blood and His body) we become part of "the body of Christ." And it was Yeshua Himself who said that what you have done to the least of these (we who are His) is the same as doing it unto Him. Should someone should harm you or kill you for His sake, Yeshua takes this personally as doing it unto Him. And there is also an agreement/covenant that will be cut in the midst of the final seven years as well.
For all practical purposes, this world and this country we live in has already begun trying to cut Him off. This evil world will certainly try to cut Yeshua off from even mentioning His name. Those who refuse to deny Him and continue to profess Him will be labeled as religious fanatics and eventually considered a threat to national security. The evil powers of this world are out to cut Him off all right; they try to cut Him off more and more every day; out of schools, court rooms, public prayer, and every other place they can think of to eliminate Him off the face of the earth. One day in the near future we may not even be able to mention His name without being arrested, or even killed just like it was almost 2000 years ago when the believers were persecuted.
All of these things given to Daniel were to be sealed up UNTIL the latter days and those days are upon us.
Da 12:9-10 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
Even Yeshua spoke in ways that the wise would understand but the wicked would not.
Mt 13:13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
Mt 13:34-35 All these things spake Yeshua unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them: That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.
Again, we MUST understand this .......... whatever measure of prophecy that has been fulfilled in the past will not prevent the plurality of the same prophecy that is yet to come.
Blessings……….Dewey
Added
Here are three Timelines that are all pointing to the GT- YOM TERUAH happening very soon, but each one is from different biblical perspectives, DanielsTimeline, Daniel Unsealed-119ministries-testallthings - and the one I have been posting since 2010.
Weeks of Years - DanielsTimeline
Signs in the sun and moon on His Appointed Times - 119 Ministries
Here - Covenant Confirmed
YESHUA Hu Adonai YAHUWAH
Ebed
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For out of the north there comes up a nation against her, which shall make her land desolate, and none shall dwell therein: they shall remove, they shall depart, both man and beast.
In those days, and in that time, saith YHVH, the children of Israel shall come, they and the children of Judah together, going and weeping: they shall go, and seek YHVH their ELOHIYM. Jer 50:3-4
For, lo, I will raise and cause to come up against Babylon an assembly of great nations from the north country: and they shall set themselves in array against her; from thence she shall be taken: their arrows/missiles shall be as of a mighty expert man; none shall return in vain. 50:9
her walls are thrown down: for it is the vengeance of YHWH: take vengeance upon her; as she hath done, do unto her. 50:15
For it is the day of YHWH's vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Tzion. Is 34:8
The king of Babylon hath heard the report of them, and his hands waxed feeble 50:43
Prepare against her the nations with the kings of the Iranians, the captains thereof, and all the rulers thereof, and all the land of his dominion. And the land shall tremble and sorrow: for every purpose of YHWH shall be performed against Babylon, to make the land of Babylon a desolation without an inhabitant. 51:28-29
[video=youtube;A2hVWpRKswY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2hVWpRKswY[/video]
For out of the north there comes up a nation against her, which shall make her land desolate, and none shall dwell therein: they shall remove, they shall depart, both man and beast.
In those days, and in that time, saith YHVH, the children of Israel shall come, they and the children of Judah together, going and weeping: they shall go, and seek YHVH their ELOHIYM. Jer 50:3-4
For, lo, I will raise and cause to come up against Babylon an assembly of great nations from the north country: and they shall set themselves in array against her; from thence she shall be taken: their arrows/missiles shall be as of a mighty expert man; none shall return in vain. 50:9
her walls are thrown down: for it is the vengeance of YHWH: take vengeance upon her; as she hath done, do unto her. 50:15
For it is the day of YHWH's vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Tzion. Is 34:8
The king of Babylon hath heard the report of them, and his hands waxed feeble 50:43
Prepare against her the nations with the kings of the Iranians, the captains thereof, and all the rulers thereof, and all the land of his dominion. And the land shall tremble and sorrow: for every purpose of YHWH shall be performed against Babylon, to make the land of Babylon a desolation without an inhabitant. 51:28-29
[video=youtube;A2hVWpRKswY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2hVWpRKswY[/video]
Posted on 11/26/12, Three days before the UN vote.
behold a white horse
The definition of Manna, what is it ?
A1-Z26 Joel Three – Nine =140
Joel 3:9 Proclaim ye this among the gentiles; prepare war =121 wake up the mighty men, let all the men of war draw near; let them come up: = 1122 `
Xi Jinping = 112
PLA - People's Liberation Army > Zhōngguó RénmÃn Jiěfà ngjūn = 212
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Rev 6:3 and when He had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast = 140 say, come and see. = 598
President China > Hu Jintao = 98
112+98 = 210
China tells army to prepare for war in 2013 - www.phayul.com
The directives have been issued just months after Xi Jinping took over as the PLA commander-in-chief from Hu Jintao.
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There are the four verses that Equal 1717 in Hebrew Gematria.
Full Text Hebrew/Greek Bible Gematria Database
English Total <> Hebrew Total
1) 7373rd vs. 160th vs. 1st Samuel 8:3 And his sons walked not in his ways, but turned aside after lucre, and took bribes, and perverted judgment. 987 <> 1717
2) 11878th vs. 683rd vs. 2 Chronicles 32:2 And when Hezekiah saw that sennacherib was come, and that he was purposed to fight against Jerusalem 909 <> 1717
3) 13258th vs. 388th vs. Job 16:19 Also now, behold, my witness is in Heaven, and my Record is on High. 607 <> 1717
4) 14610th vs. 670th vs. Psalms 45:12 And the daughter of tyre shall be there with a gift, even the rich among the people shall intreat thy favour. 987 <> 1717
Verses 1 & 4 equal 987 in the Standard English method which is something in itself, highlighted, what is not highlighted is the rest of the symmetry between the Hebrew values for wisdom and the English.
Then i thought to calculate the 1717th verse, and it equaled 987, YAH was not Hands off when it came to performing His Word, especially the translation that has been most instrumental in spreading the Gospel for the past 400 years....even with the obvious bias, It is not a perfect translation. YHWH is not limited, and NOTHING is to hard for Him
1717th vs. 184th vs. Exodus 8:6 And Aaron stretched out his hand over the waters of egypt, and the frogs came up, and covered the land of egypt. 987 <> 3795
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1-4
1717+987= 2704 >13> 4 1717+909= 2626 >16> 7 1717+607= 2324>11> 2 1717+987=2704 >13> 4
4724
1717-987= 730 >10> 1 1717-909= 808 >16> 7 1717-607= 1110 > 3 1717-987= 730 >10> 1
1731
1717th vs. 3795+987= 4782 3795-987= 2808
YHWH - Yad 10 Hey 5 Waw 6 Hey 5 = 26 – Standard Hebrew
GOD G 7 + O 15 + D 4 = 26 – Standard English
YHWH 1+5+6+5 = 17
GOD 7+1+5+4 = 17
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The First Verse that Equals 1122 in English Standard, and the First Verse that Equals 3795 Hebrew is
Genesis 31:25 Then Laban overtook Jacob. Now Jacob had pitched his tent in the mount: and Laban with his brethren pitched in the mount of Gilead. 1122 <> 3795
First Verse in the Brit Chadashah that Equals 1122
Matisyahu 2:23 And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, He shall be called a Nazarene. 1122 <>11248
First Verse in the Brit Chadashah that Equals 1717
Matisyahu 2:22 But when he heard that Archelaus did reign in Judaea in the room of his father Herod, he was afraid to go thither: notwithstanding, being warned of God in a dream, he turned aside into the parts of Galilee: 1717 <> 14833
1st Occurrence 1717 English Total - 700th vs. Genesis 26:7 And the men of the place asked him of his wife; and he said, She is my sister: for he feared to say, She is my wife; lest, said he, the men of the place should kill me for Rebekah; because she was fair to look upon. 1717 <> 5629
Genesis - Leviticus > 1717 English Gematria = 1 verse
First verse English that equals 987
196th vs. Genesis 8:12 And he stayed yet other seven days; and sent forth the dove; which returned not again unto him any more. 987 <> 2733
1717th verse is the 2nd Verse that Equals 3795 Hebrew, the 2nd Verse that equals 987 English
1717th vs. 987 <> 3795
Shalom in Yeshua the Messiah
Ebed232
YeshaYahu 62:6
behold a white horse
The definition of Manna, what is it ?
A1-Z26 Joel Three – Nine =140
Joel 3:9 Proclaim ye this among the gentiles; prepare war =121 wake up the mighty men, let all the men of war draw near; let them come up: = 1122 `
Xi Jinping = 112
PLA - People's Liberation Army > Zhōngguó RénmÃn Jiěfà ngjūn = 212
` `
Rev 6:3 and when He had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast = 140 say, come and see. = 598
President China > Hu Jintao = 98
112+98 = 210
China tells army to prepare for war in 2013 - www.phayul.com
The directives have been issued just months after Xi Jinping took over as the PLA commander-in-chief from Hu Jintao.
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There are the four verses that Equal 1717 in Hebrew Gematria.
Full Text Hebrew/Greek Bible Gematria Database
English Total <> Hebrew Total
1) 7373rd vs. 160th vs. 1st Samuel 8:3 And his sons walked not in his ways, but turned aside after lucre, and took bribes, and perverted judgment. 987 <> 1717
2) 11878th vs. 683rd vs. 2 Chronicles 32:2 And when Hezekiah saw that sennacherib was come, and that he was purposed to fight against Jerusalem 909 <> 1717
3) 13258th vs. 388th vs. Job 16:19 Also now, behold, my witness is in Heaven, and my Record is on High. 607 <> 1717
4) 14610th vs. 670th vs. Psalms 45:12 And the daughter of tyre shall be there with a gift, even the rich among the people shall intreat thy favour. 987 <> 1717
Verses 1 & 4 equal 987 in the Standard English method which is something in itself, highlighted, what is not highlighted is the rest of the symmetry between the Hebrew values for wisdom and the English.
Then i thought to calculate the 1717th verse, and it equaled 987, YAH was not Hands off when it came to performing His Word, especially the translation that has been most instrumental in spreading the Gospel for the past 400 years....even with the obvious bias, It is not a perfect translation. YHWH is not limited, and NOTHING is to hard for Him
1717th vs. 184th vs. Exodus 8:6 And Aaron stretched out his hand over the waters of egypt, and the frogs came up, and covered the land of egypt. 987 <> 3795
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1-4
1717+987= 2704 >13> 4 1717+909= 2626 >16> 7 1717+607= 2324>11> 2 1717+987=2704 >13> 4
4724
1717-987= 730 >10> 1 1717-909= 808 >16> 7 1717-607= 1110 > 3 1717-987= 730 >10> 1
1731
1717th vs. 3795+987= 4782 3795-987= 2808
YHWH - Yad 10 Hey 5 Waw 6 Hey 5 = 26 – Standard Hebrew
GOD G 7 + O 15 + D 4 = 26 – Standard English
YHWH 1+5+6+5 = 17
GOD 7+1+5+4 = 17
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The First Verse that Equals 1122 in English Standard, and the First Verse that Equals 3795 Hebrew is
Genesis 31:25 Then Laban overtook Jacob. Now Jacob had pitched his tent in the mount: and Laban with his brethren pitched in the mount of Gilead. 1122 <> 3795
First Verse in the Brit Chadashah that Equals 1122
Matisyahu 2:23 And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, He shall be called a Nazarene. 1122 <>11248
First Verse in the Brit Chadashah that Equals 1717
Matisyahu 2:22 But when he heard that Archelaus did reign in Judaea in the room of his father Herod, he was afraid to go thither: notwithstanding, being warned of God in a dream, he turned aside into the parts of Galilee: 1717 <> 14833
1st Occurrence 1717 English Total - 700th vs. Genesis 26:7 And the men of the place asked him of his wife; and he said, She is my sister: for he feared to say, She is my wife; lest, said he, the men of the place should kill me for Rebekah; because she was fair to look upon. 1717 <> 5629
Genesis - Leviticus > 1717 English Gematria = 1 verse
First verse English that equals 987
196th vs. Genesis 8:12 And he stayed yet other seven days; and sent forth the dove; which returned not again unto him any more. 987 <> 2733
1717th verse is the 2nd Verse that Equals 3795 Hebrew, the 2nd Verse that equals 987 English
1717th vs. 987 <> 3795
Shalom in Yeshua the Messiah
Ebed232
YeshaYahu 62:6
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I submit to you that the Holydays (including Unleavened Bread) were known before they were formally stated and codified in Lev 23...
Gen 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
Notice, not only the Commandments, but the statutes and laws. Were the laws in effect before Mt. Sinai...
Exo 18:15 And Moses said unto his father in law, Because the people come unto me to enquire of God:
Exo 18:16 When they have a matter, they come unto me; and I judge between one and another, and I do make them know the statutes of God, and his laws.
Exo 18:20 And thou shalt teach them ordinances and laws, and shalt shew them the way wherein they must walk, and the work that they must do.
What laws, statutes and ordinances?
Now, they had already kept the Passover and Unleavened Bread, the Sabbath was re-taught to Israel on the 15th of the second month (Ex 16:1), so this (Jethro's advice about assistants to Moses to teach the laws) has to occur in the 20 or so days between Ex 16 and Mt Sinai (occurred on Pentecost). Now, does anyone believe that God threw out all that had been taught from creation to 20 days before Pentecost and gave a new set of laws on Mt. Sinai? Anyone who believes this is the first time these laws were given, I have beach front property in Montana for you to buy. Mt. Sinai was simply a restating of laws that had been in effect and known at least since creation.
Ebed....
I see you listen to Bill Cloud. He does a lot of great teachings! The last one I saw from him was called "Gleaning from the Garden." Good teaching, esp about the GMO's! Do you also listen to Brad Scott, Rico Cortes, and Monte Judah? I primarily focus on Monte's teachings. When did you first see Daniel's Timeline?
I see you listen to Bill Cloud. He does a lot of great teachings!
The last one I saw from him was called "Gleaning from the Garden." Good teaching, esp about the GMO's! Do you also listen to Brad Scott, Rico Cortes, and Monte Judah? I primarily focus on Monte's teachings. When did you first see Daniel's Timeline?
Excellent question!
The primary goal of the Exodus was for the whole world to know who the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is. God reveals His name to us for the very first time in Ex 6:6-8. He wants us to know His name, but He also wants us to know what His name means. And the Exodus story tells us that His name means, “I do what I say I’m going to do!” God spoke it in Gen 15:13-20 and then He did it exactly as He said He would do! Not only that, but He performed it on the very day He spoke it. In Ex 12:41 Moses specifically notes that the day they left Egypt was exactly 430 years to the day when God made this promise. This means that the promise was given to Abraham on Nisan 15 (the 1st day of Unleavened Bread) even before there was a Feast of Unleavened Bread given to us through Moses! God is working on His Appointed Times long before we even found out they were Appointed Times.
The 10 Judgments on Egypt is God’s way making Himself known. Egypt worshipped everything under the sun as a god (including the sun!) and all those false gods were blocking Israel and Egypt from really knowing the Lord. So to get their attention and to get them to recognize who He is, God has to “whack” all their gods and show them, “That’s not god! I’m God!” The same holds true for the Tribulation. The seals, trumpets and bowls follow the same pattern of the 10 plagues, only on a much larger scale. Instead of 3 sets of 3 judgments followed by a final judgment in the 1st Exodus, there will be 3 sets of 7 judgments in the Tribulation. And just as God’s people were protected from the plagues that fell upon Egypt the 1st time, so shall His people be protected from the judgments the 2nd time. BUT…. You have to be willing to leave Egypt.
The secondary goal ties in with the primary goal, in that God swore to Abraham that he and his descendants would inherit a certain piece of Land. The Exodus story (Ex, Lev, Num and Deut) show us the events that took place ON THE WAY TO THE PROMISED LAND. We, being descendants of Abraham thru our faith in Messiah (the promised Son) will also inherit the Promised Land. And since we are the last generation, we must also make a “wilderness journey” of our own in order to get there. Granted, most believers get there when they die, but we have a choice. As the last generation, we can choose to either get there like the generations before us OR, we can witness the glory of the Lord coming in the clouds and literally WALK INTO the Kingdom. But again, we have to be willing to leave Egypt.
That's fine, but I don't live in Egypt. So, what are we to leave this spring?
Ebed....
I see you listen to Bill Cloud. He does a lot of great teachings!
All of them, I went to a conference and the speakers were Bill Cloud, Brad Scott and Eddie Chumney, will be watching the Shabbat service tonight on www.LionLamb.net beginning @ 7:30 Okie time to see what Monte's Update and teaching will be, and then in Paltalk in the Morning to Hear Eddie's Update and teaching live, the update is Usually recorded and Eddie will chat in the HHMI Beit Yacov room, questions comments welcome...past updates
http://www.watchmanofzion.com/
I first became aware of Daniel's Timeline in 2010 after seeing Monte in person in Oklahoma
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Sin...
1Co 5:6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
1Co 5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
Leaven is a type of sin.