8 reasons why the end is not yet

[reznwerks]

"Every age has its pessimists. The '60s had Rachel Carson and her overblown manifesto Silent Spring, which foretold of the poisoning of the planet by man. The '70s were influenced by the radical ideas of Paul Ehrlich, whose 1968 book The Population Bomb envisioned "hundreds of millions of people" starving to death in the next decade. Neither author's vision of disaster came true. Despite their spectacular failures, both Carson and Ehrlich remain heroes of many environmental doomsayers. Perhaps more stunning still is the fact that the enduring mythos of impending doom that they and others like them created retains its potency in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. The myth of doom is a triumph of perception over reality."

http://www.redorbit.com/news/technology ... technology

 

[Scott]

I would have just guessed that my luck isn't that good to get off this rock just yet. I'm looking forward to Christ's return or my own death... whichever comes first. But I'm willing to suffer here as long as He wants me to though.

 

[reznwerks]

suffer

I would have just guessed that my luck isn't that good to get off this rock just yet. I'm looking forward to Christ's return or my own death... whichever comes first. But I'm willing to suffer here as long as He wants me to though.

Whydo you think God wants you to suffer?
John3
1:2 Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.

You must be doing something wrong.

 

[Vic C.]

That is just wrong to suggest Scott MUST have done something wrong. There isn't one verse that even suggests we will not have to suffer trials and tribulations; just the opposite actually:

John 16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

Acts 14:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

Rom 5:3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;

2 Cor 1:4 Who comforteth us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort them which are in any trouble, by the comfort wherewith we ourselves are comforted of God.

2 Cor 7:4 Great is my boldness of speech toward you, great is my glorying of you: I am filled with comfort, I am exceeding joyful in all our tribulation.

James 1:2 My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations;
James 1:3 Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.

I share a similar feeling with Scott. It won't be soon enough for me 'til I leave this mass of revolving rock where theology has been replaced by Meology and I am a relatively happy and content person... most the time. :-D

 

[reznwerks]

wrong side

That is just wrong to suggest Scott MUST have done something wrong. There isn't one verse that even suggests we will not have to suffer trials and tribulations; just the opposite actually:

Get up on the wrong side of the bed? No one is denying that everyone has to go through trials and tribulations. It doesn't matter what religion or no religion. Jesus said it was his wish that you should prosper and be in health. Scott thinks it is his duty to suffer for sufferings sake.In order for Scott to be happy he thinks he has to suffer. Clearly Jesus didn't say that.

 

[Scott]

Scott thinks it is his duty to suffer for sufferings sake.In order for Scott to be happy he thinks he has to suffer.

: ... so thats what Scott thinks?!? Its not my duty to suffer, its my reality... its my state of being that makes me suffer. Read Romans 7 and you'll understand my stuggle with the flesh. As long as I'm here in this body I'm constantly at war. I'm not a perfect person and have never claimed to be... so when I do wrong I am convicted of it and thus the war with myself continues.

I also suffer because I'm an alien in this world... I'll never be at home here nor will I ever find contentment here. Sure there are times when I feel content but the cycle of ups and downs never ends. The cycle continues... my desire to be complete can never be realized in this world. I must also admit that I do suffer from Jonah-itis... sometimes I wonder whats the point and forget God is longsuffering. Its like being stuck in traffic behind the old lady who goes as slow as possible to make a turn... I openly admit I have the "enough already" attitude sometimes, wanting just to get this show on the road so we can get outta here. Thats on me... patience is virtue that I'm not always blessed with. I'm not even a negative person, those who know me well actually would tell you I like to joke around a lot.

Suffering doesn't necessarily imply I'm getting flogged in the streets or gunned down by the enemies. We are at war all the time with the physical (flesh), spiritual, mind (psychological), and with our environment. As a Christian there is no break, we can't call in today and say nah I don't want to play. My war walks around with me all day long.... it isn't done when I confess my sins, and it doesn't pity me when I mess up... there is no mercy.

 

[reznwerks]

unfortunate

Scott thinks it is his duty to suffer for sufferings sake.In order for Scott to be happy he thinks he has to suffer.

: ... so thats what Scott thinks?!? Its not my duty to suffer, its my reality... its my state of being that makes me suffer. Read Romans 7 and you'll understand my stuggle with the flesh. As long as I'm here in this body I'm constantly at war. I'm not a perfect person and have never claimed to be... so when I do wrong I am convicted of it and thus the war with myself continues.
You must feel that this earthly existance is a kind of "boot camp" for Christians and death is graduation day.

I also suffer because I'm an alien in this world... I'll never be at home here nor will I ever find contentment here. Sure there are times when I feel content but the cycle of ups and downs never ends. The cycle continues... my desire to be complete can never be realized in this world. I must also admit that I do suffer from Jonah-itis... sometimes I wonder whats the point and forget God is longsuffering. Its like being stuck in traffic behind the old lady who goes as slow as possible to make a turn... I openly admit I have the "enough already" attitude sometimes, wanting just to get this show on the road so we can get outta here. Thats on me... patience is virtue that I'm not always blessed with. I'm not even a negative person, those who know me well actually would tell you I like to joke around a lot.
What a depressing state of affairs for you! What do you think heaven will be like? Will you be in the choir singing all day or what? I mean the idea of spending eternity doing nothing or offering praise continually in heaven would make me want the alternative. I think if heaven exists you might be disappointed. It might not be as peaceful as you think. The bible says the Jesus will rule over it. Well if he has to rule over it that means that there will be disention and strife that needs to be settled. So you are likely to find the same situation in heaven as you have here.

Suffering doesn't necessarily imply I'm getting flogged in the streets or gunned down by the enemies. We are at war all the time with the physical (flesh), spiritual, mind (psychological), and with our environment.
Only Christians are at war with themselves and their surroundings.

As a Christian there is no break, we can't call in today and say nah I don't want to play. My war walks around with me all day long.... it isn't done when I confess my sins, and it doesn't pity me when I mess up... there is no mercy.
Then you try to convert people to your way of thinking , why? For an unproven promise made by people with first names only?

 

[Scott]

You must feel that this earthly existance is a kind of "boot camp" for Christians and death is graduation day.

I wouldn't call it boot camp because its not training. Revelation 21:4 tells us that the old order of things is gone, and so are the struggles that bring us down in this life. We (Christians) will be given new bodies like Christ's. We aren't trained to act a certain way in Heaven, because we will be transformed to be able to be free from all our earthly "plagues" in an instant.

What a depressing state of affairs for you!

It has its moments, but I'm not the one sacrificing the long-term to live carelessly in the short-term. I'll gladly store up my treasures in a place where they will not rot and decay.

What do you think heaven will be like?

I have my ideas... we aren't given a detailed plan of whats going to happen but I have some personal speculations about that matter that aren't necessarily supported Biblically... (nor refuted Biblically for that matter).

Will you be in the choir singing all day or what? I mean the idea of spending eternity doing nothing or offering praise continually in heaven would make me want the alternative.

: ... mockingly he says that until faced with that alternative. Those words may one day haunt you. For your sake, I hope not though.

I think if heaven exists you might be disappointed.

It does, and Revelation 21:4 assures me that I will not be... (see also Zephaniah 3:20).

Well if he has to rule over it that means that there will be disention and strife that needs to be settled.

Zephaniah 3:12-13 silences that thought.

Only Christians are at war with themselves and their surroundings.

And so you've made it evidently clear that you are not one... so be it.

Then you try to convert people to your way of thinking , why?

I don't try to convert anyone. I try to speak the truth and uphold the truth and be a light for others to find their way to Christ. The choice is theirs not mine. Salvation only takes place on a personal level... its on you to ask.. seek.. and knock. The repercussions of those decisions fall on your own shoulders. I can't save you or deny you salvation.

For an unproven promise made by people with first names only?

By all means search.. test.. ask questions.. pray.. because pleading ignorance will not be an option on Judgment Day.

 

[MrVersatile48]

The last 6/7 posts seem to have forgotten the topic of the thread

No time to hit quote on OP, but I sure didn't see '8 reasons why the end is not near/yet'

Did anyone see http://www.bbc.co.uk/news on Tues?

This site was down, so I couldn't start a thread on new studies that say the FX of global warming were underestimated by @ 75% in previous studies, as they neglected to factor in the extra carbon emitted by eco-systems due to the warming of the past few decades

Anyway, my main point is that more Bible prophecies have been fulfilled/are in process of fulfilment, since 1948 rebirth of Israel began this much-prophesied climax generation of all history, than at any time since Christ was on Earth

Only this generation has had the ability to fulfil the Armageddon prophecies

& the prophecies of the worst global tyranny ever under global surveillance under Antichrist

& the techno to help us complete our Great Commission, to evangelise all nations in this generation & hasten our Lord's return, to cut short the terrible persecution of so many Christians worldwide

Back to link a new thread that shows the screw tightening even in the west..

http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=22748

Ian

 

[reznwerks]

huh

You must feel that this earthly existance is a kind of "boot camp" for Christians and death is graduation day.

I wouldn't call it boot camp because its not training. Revelation 21:4 tells us that the old order of things is gone, and so are the struggles that bring us down in this life. We (Christians) will be given new bodies like Christ's. We aren't trained to act a certain way in Heaven, because we will be transformed to be able to be free from all our earthly "plagues" in an instant.
Then you really won't be you anymore. You mind will be manipulated to act accordingly. Whats the point? What purpose will you serve? People are supposed to want this? If it's offered I think I'll pass.

[quote:8b5c7]What a depressing state of affairs for you!

It has its moments, but I'm not the one sacrificing the long-term to live carelessly in the short-term. I'll gladly store up my treasures in a place where they will not rot and decay.
A cliche from the bible without substantive evidence

What do you think heaven will be like?

I have my ideas... we aren't given a detailed plan of whats going to happen but I have some personal speculations about that matter that aren't necessarily supported Biblically... (nor refuted Biblically for that matter).
You don't know what heaven is like , have your own assumptions without any evidence and you still want to go there? Brave man!

Will you be in the choir singing all day or what? I mean the idea of spending eternity doing nothing or offering praise continually in heaven would make me want the alternative.

: ... mockingly he says that until faced with that alternative. Those words may one day haunt you. For your sake, I hope not though.
Trust me. Singing all day to make the ego of a supernatural being happy is not my idea of heaven.

I think if heaven exists you might be disappointed.

It does, and Revelation 21:4 assures me that I will not be... (see also Zephaniah 3:20).
Revel. was written by John after spending years in isolation on an island. Do you think he might have been insane when it was written?

Well if he has to rule over it that means that there will be disention and strife that needs to be settled.

Zephaniah 3:12-13 silences that thought.
I don't think it does. It's pretty basic. If one needs someone to be in authority (Jesus) then it means those under him have some leverage at thinking for themselves and disagreeing to the point of possible rebellion.

Only Christians are at war with themselves and their surroundings.

And so you've made it evidently clear that you are not one... so be it.

Then you try to convert people to your way of thinking , why?

I don't try to convert anyone. I try to speak the truth and uphold the truth and be a light for others to find their way to Christ. The choice is theirs not mine. Salvation only takes place on a personal level... its on you to ask.. seek.. and knock. The repercussions of those decisions fall on your own shoulders. I can't save you or deny you salvation.
What is your definition of the truth?

For an unproven promise made by people with first names only?

By all means search.. test.. ask questions.. pray.. because pleading ignorance will not be an option on Judgment Day.

Been there done that .
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[Scott]

Then you really won't be you anymore. You mind will be manipulated to act accordingly.

I have a body and a soul. My earthly body is keeping me (at times) from being the person I want to be. I've already surrendered my life to Christ.. there is no manipulation I've made the choice to follow Him.

Whats the point? What purpose will you serve? People are supposed to want this? If it's offered I think I'll pass.

It really doesn't matter if you like the choice or not, thats pretty much irrelevant. There are two options, His way or eternal seperation. Your choice seems to be based on spite... but if you thought about it and understood that rebellion doesn't help your situation, you might be able to make an informed decision about what direction will be best for you. There are two choices.. don't let your own pride keep you from making the right decision. As its been said, "pride is the downfall."

A cliche from the bible without substantive evidence

Take a look around man, nothing in this life lasts. Not money, people die, relationships fail, time moves on and everyone ages... everything in this life is temporal. I'm not going to debate the validity of the Bible with you, knowing its true is part of the choice. You either believe or you don't. But logic tells me that if you were to decide to reject God, wouldn't you want to go out and live it up in this life instead of waste time arguing the validity of Christian living with me? I mean if it were me, arguing and debating would be the furthest thing from my mind... unless of course deep down I'm not fully convinced. Agnostic maybe? Otherwise I'd be out doing any and everything I desired.

You don't know what heaven is like , have your own assumptions without any evidence and you still want to go there? Brave man!

We are given a general idea of Heaven but nothing detailed. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out Hell isn't the better option. You just have to realize you're part of the game whether you want to be or not.

Trust me. Singing all day to make the ego of a supernatural being happy is not my idea of heaven.

Unfortunately you will find a lot of things are better than the alternative.

Revel. was written by John after spending years in isolation on an island. Do you think he might have been insane when it was written?

Do you think its chance the book has survived all these years?

I don't think it does. It's pretty basic.

Well then you ignored what those verses said then. Pretty clear... Zephaniah 3:12-13

What is your definition of the truth?

God's Word.

Been there done that .

Well if it were me and I felt I made an informed decision against, I certainly would have better things to do in this life than debate with someone who made the decision for.

 

[reznwerks]

Scott

Scott , I know I responded to your response point by point but somehow it is MIA. I'm not going to try to repost it again but I will say I don't think you thought out the logistics of the situation.

 

[ÃÂoppleganger]

Gee maybe them scientists can stop the polar ice caps from melting, or predict disasters more easily, or invent an honest politician, or a monkey who's smarter than a man?

 

[reznwerks]

mia

Gee maybe them scientists can stop the polar ice caps from melting, or predict disasters more easily, or invent an honest politician, or a monkey who's smarter than a man?

Well so far history has no records of God stepping in and altering the course of disasters etc. Scientists are our only hope unless God comes off break.Who ya gonna bet on, the guy thats trying or the unknown element that never showed up before.

 

[ÃÂoppleganger]

DELDBLPOST

 

[ÃÂoppleganger]

Well who's to say, Even if God did intervene atheist wouldnt believe it?!? Right!?! Be hard to tell that to Sodom & Gomorah, Elijah or them priests of Baal, Egyptians during Moses time, Noah, Velikovsky, or maybe them Philistines who took the ark of the Covenant Or Me! The list goes on! Or maybe this Guy!

http://www.marsanomalyresearch.com/evid ... ifacts.htm
http://www.marsanomalyresearch.com/evid ... eysers.htm
http://www.marsanomalyresearch.com/evid ... eville.htm
http://www.marsanomalyresearch.com/evid ... -skull.htm
http://www.marsanomalyresearch.com/evid ... skulls.htm

 

[reznwerks]

anomoly

Well who's to say, Even if God did intervene atheist wouldnt believe it?!? Right!?!

Wrong! Atheists would love to be pleasantly surprised to find out they are wrong. I think Christians would pleasantly surprised to find out that they were right all along. Atheists are just realists and they don't deny evidence when presented.

 

[John the Baptist]

Re: suffer

I would have just guessed that my luck isn't that good to get off this rock just yet. I'm looking forward to Christ's return or my own death... whichever comes first. But I'm willing to suffer here as long as He wants me to though.

Whydo you think God wants you to suffer?
John3
1:2 Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.

You must be doing something wrong.

********
Hi,
An old friend used to tell me that he guessed that because things were going well, he must be patient? He based his thinking on the Word of God where God says that tribulation worketh patience. :wink:

But as I see it, Scott is right on target with this post at least. In the K.J. Hebrews 12:4-8 we see the Christian having struggles big time! v. 4.
And none who are Christians are left out! v. 6. It says: "For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth [every] son whom He receiveth."
Take note of verse 8. "But if ye be without chastisement, [whereof ye are partakers], then are ye bastards and not sons."
This last part might come up blocked out? But it shows that we are fatherless if that be the case. (I see it inserts the word sweethearts?? :fadein: )

Just a closing thought on that verse. How can I be without chastisements?? We see that it is within my power to do 'requirements' when I am Baptised. We like by nature, to do the easy ones. Jolly, happy, and the like. Yet, when we see the end of time approaching, being a Christian at times is hard to do.. feeling/wise! Tough love, if you know what Christ means? Matthew 10:34-38. Anyway, for most of us perhaps this is a real chastisement and is brought on by our own commission to do, and not omission to shun.

Another example might be you having a sermon date in the morning at your church, and say that you were up most of the night with a injured church member of your church. Morning comes and you are beat! (tired) What do you do? Well, this surely is also a type of chastisement that you could yourself remove, huh? Tough Love is the one done by Christian principal, whatever the Christian principle requires us to do, huh? Such as Isaiah 58:1.

---John