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Desire to be a vessel of honor unto the Lord Jesus Christ?
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https://christianforums.net/threads/a-vessel-of-honor.110278/
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Taking the time to pray? Christ is the answer in times of need
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Depending upon the Holy Spirit for all you do?
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How are famous preachers sometimes effected by sin?
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A Christian Nation? Since When?
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TheCurseoftheRodain
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Well he told me to tell you still can be....;)
No seriously though, what God has done with us since we have partnered with his ministry is awesome, Truly. I never understood the biblical dynamic of partnership until they explained it from the Word, showing what God did for the Philippians through Partnership with Paul (He made them partakers of HIS (Pauls) grace (favor). The favor of God that was on Paul, at the level of the Apostle Paul, came on them through their partnership with him. that's just one aspect, but it's huge and it has changed our lives. I would recommend partaking of that partnership to everyone. Plus you get all the same rewards for the works they have done when we return to Heaven.
No seriously though, what God has done with us since we have partnered with his ministry is awesome, Truly. I never understood the biblical dynamic of partnership until they explained it from the Word, showing what God did for the Philippians through Partnership with Paul (He made them partakers of HIS (Pauls) grace (favor). The favor of God that was on Paul, at the level of the Apostle Paul, came on them through their partnership with him. that's just one aspect, but it's huge and it has changed our lives. I would recommend partaking of that partnership to everyone. Plus you get all the same rewards for the works they have done when we return to Heaven.
sojourner4Christ
Member
The founders of America (the Puritans) intended to establish a new world. They intended to create a "city on a hill," a society governed by God’s Law, giving glory to God, and spreading the gospel across the globe. The original intent of the settlers and founders of the New World was to form a Godly nation. In order to make sure that the Government would foster Christ’s teachings and not atheism, it was prohibited for any but the followers of Christ to hold political office. (If you want to create a Godly society, such a requirement only makes sense).
However...
The Founders thought more of the idea of a secular state than how to please God. The first criteria for a Christian civil government is a recognition of God as sovereign. Not only is Christ not recognized in the Constitution, there is no hint of God at all. The sovereign recognized in the Constitution is not God, it is the people, ala "We the people..." The Constitution is a covenant but not with God.
The Founding Fathers apostatized from the Godly civil covenants of their and our forefathers. When they rejected God, they also rejected God's law. People can talk all they want to about a Christian Constitution, but they will never be able to get around the fact that God is not even mentioned in it. True, they set up a Constitutional set of laws, but what if someone decides that they no longer reflect the law of the people? What is left is no law at all but for those with power to enforce what they consider the will of the people.
To deny God as sovereign leaves man in charge, but which man? Who represents the people? Who will declare the law? That is the struggle of our nation and has resulted in millions of deaths (abortion) and economic confiscation and control on a rate that would have made ancient dictatorships look like tax havens. The Constitution was a rejection of the rule of God for the rule of man.
Scripture tells us to test people, to see if they are of God or not.
1 John 4:1, "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world."
This only makes sense, when one is sincerely interested in associating with godly people, while avoiding the contamination and influence of ungodly men.
The key, however, to the rejection of the rule of God was Article VI, Clause 3, "The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several state Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."
The Constitution was a rebellion against Christ and his authority over the nation, replacing it with the rule of man. The Bible warns us, "Cease ye from man, whose breath is in his nostrils: for wherein is he to be accounted of?" (Isaiah 2:22).
An objection is that the Constitution contains Christian principles and therefore is a sort of halfway covenant. As evidence of this, they may offer that the Constitution presents us with a system of divided authority and diffused powers. Even covenant-breaking historians would admit that Christian principles exist within the Constitution while denying that it is a Christian covenant. The problem with this is that every government that exists contains Christian principles. In fact, any truth or correct morality is a Christian principle. All true and good principles are Christian principles because this universe is created and governed by the true and living God who has revealed himself in the Bible. Islamic governments contain many Biblical principles, such as capital punishment. That does not, however, save them from condemnation as apostate covenants. We must return to the question, what sort of Christian principles constitute a Christian government and what make an apostate government? The Biblical covenant model is the Biblical model and therefore the only proper judge of whether or not a state is a covenant-keeping one.
In Torcaso v. Watkins, 367 U.S. 488 (1961), the United States Supreme Court holds that the state of Maryland can not require applicants for public office to swear that they believed in the existence of God. The court unanimously rules that a religious test violates the Establishment Clause. This verifies that the U.S. Constitution allows Atheists to rule and make laws for bondservants of Christ!
In addition, the Constitution states: ""Congress shall make no law regarding an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" (First Amendment).
Do you realize that the Constitution allows everybody to freely worship any god they choose to? This is one of the greatest abominations to God.
Old Testament Israel had this same exact law also, and God would punish them whenever they enacted this law. Whenever people would worship other gods in his country, he would command them to tear down their temples and idols. If they refused, God would always punish his people. Even if there was a mixture of people worshipping the True God and people worshipping false gods, this was an abomination also, as his people are not to mix the two. God even commanded his people to go to neighboring countries of the heathen and tear down their temples and idols.
The truth is, the freedom of religion is an abomination to God. Man only has the "right" to worship Almighty God. To be free to worship any other god or partake of any other religion is an abomination to him, and violates the first Two Commandments:
Exodus 20:3-5, "Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them:"
If the U.S. Constitution is a godly piece of paper, why does is allow the very thing that God condemns throughout his Holy Scripture?
You hear the phrase, "The Constitution is the Supreme Law of the land." That's not what the Word of God says, "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth" (Genesis 1:1). Did the Constitution create the heaven and the earth? So how could it be the law of the land? Only he who creates, God, is the Law of the land. "And he is before all things, and by him all things consist" (Colossians 1:17). Christ is before the Constitution, and by Jesus, not the Constitution, all things consist.
John 1:3, "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."
Colossians 1:16, "For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:"
All things were created by him and for him, not "by the people, and for the people" (Democracy); not for our enjoyment, not for our wants. We were created for God.
The sole purpose of constitutions is to free human beings from God's Law in order to chain them to the morality of the State dictated in its codes, rules, regulations, ordinances, statutes, public policies, executive orders, laws, etc. All constitutions were created by the fallen reason of the natural man, and are molded by the "reasonable interpretation" of human beings wearing black robes. Private rights are always weighed against the greater public good and are regulated by the "police power".
Those who thus rely upon the words of any constitution for support are leaning upon a broken reed; and their sense of security is a false one. The Constitution does not protect persons or property against unjust invasion, or prevent government control and regulation of business. After all, this depends on the interpretations and applications of the courts. Constitutional law is the morality of fascism and comes from the vain imaginations of men. It is a code, rule, or regulation for the dead thing it brings into being. Corporations are dead, at law. The United States is a Federal corporation. Thus, the United States is a dead thing.
“We are under a Constitution, but the Constitution is what the judges say it is.” Charles Evans Hughes, Supreme Court Justice, in Dictionary of American Maxims (1955), p. 88.
We don't find Christ there, it's men ruling other men, giving benefits to one another. And when the natural man gives a benefit to you, there's a duty attached to it. There's no “freely” giving (Matthew 10:8) and expecting nothing in return, as scripture tells us. We are not to touch the unclean thing (2 Corinthians 6:17), and the US Constitution is an unclean thing, based upon selfishness and commerce.
For over two hundred years, we have been witness to apostasy from the Godly covenants of the Puritans. This project succeeded through the Constitution and the Civil War and Reconstruction. Our nation has rejected Christ and His rule over us. We must pay heed to the warning of Jeremiah 12:17, "But if they will not obey, I will utterly pluck up and destroy that nation, saith the LORD." In the meantime, the battle is not over. We can still repent and turn to God.
The U.S. Constitution is just a piece of paper with signatures on it. And you know what a piece of paper with signatures is: a contract -- something that can be re-negotiated and altered at any time.
However...
The Founders thought more of the idea of a secular state than how to please God. The first criteria for a Christian civil government is a recognition of God as sovereign. Not only is Christ not recognized in the Constitution, there is no hint of God at all. The sovereign recognized in the Constitution is not God, it is the people, ala "We the people..." The Constitution is a covenant but not with God.
The Founding Fathers apostatized from the Godly civil covenants of their and our forefathers. When they rejected God, they also rejected God's law. People can talk all they want to about a Christian Constitution, but they will never be able to get around the fact that God is not even mentioned in it. True, they set up a Constitutional set of laws, but what if someone decides that they no longer reflect the law of the people? What is left is no law at all but for those with power to enforce what they consider the will of the people.
To deny God as sovereign leaves man in charge, but which man? Who represents the people? Who will declare the law? That is the struggle of our nation and has resulted in millions of deaths (abortion) and economic confiscation and control on a rate that would have made ancient dictatorships look like tax havens. The Constitution was a rejection of the rule of God for the rule of man.
Scripture tells us to test people, to see if they are of God or not.
1 John 4:1, "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world."
This only makes sense, when one is sincerely interested in associating with godly people, while avoiding the contamination and influence of ungodly men.
The key, however, to the rejection of the rule of God was Article VI, Clause 3, "The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several state Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."
The Constitution was a rebellion against Christ and his authority over the nation, replacing it with the rule of man. The Bible warns us, "Cease ye from man, whose breath is in his nostrils: for wherein is he to be accounted of?" (Isaiah 2:22).
An objection is that the Constitution contains Christian principles and therefore is a sort of halfway covenant. As evidence of this, they may offer that the Constitution presents us with a system of divided authority and diffused powers. Even covenant-breaking historians would admit that Christian principles exist within the Constitution while denying that it is a Christian covenant. The problem with this is that every government that exists contains Christian principles. In fact, any truth or correct morality is a Christian principle. All true and good principles are Christian principles because this universe is created and governed by the true and living God who has revealed himself in the Bible. Islamic governments contain many Biblical principles, such as capital punishment. That does not, however, save them from condemnation as apostate covenants. We must return to the question, what sort of Christian principles constitute a Christian government and what make an apostate government? The Biblical covenant model is the Biblical model and therefore the only proper judge of whether or not a state is a covenant-keeping one.
In Torcaso v. Watkins, 367 U.S. 488 (1961), the United States Supreme Court holds that the state of Maryland can not require applicants for public office to swear that they believed in the existence of God. The court unanimously rules that a religious test violates the Establishment Clause. This verifies that the U.S. Constitution allows Atheists to rule and make laws for bondservants of Christ!
In addition, the Constitution states: ""Congress shall make no law regarding an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" (First Amendment).
Do you realize that the Constitution allows everybody to freely worship any god they choose to? This is one of the greatest abominations to God.
Old Testament Israel had this same exact law also, and God would punish them whenever they enacted this law. Whenever people would worship other gods in his country, he would command them to tear down their temples and idols. If they refused, God would always punish his people. Even if there was a mixture of people worshipping the True God and people worshipping false gods, this was an abomination also, as his people are not to mix the two. God even commanded his people to go to neighboring countries of the heathen and tear down their temples and idols.
The truth is, the freedom of religion is an abomination to God. Man only has the "right" to worship Almighty God. To be free to worship any other god or partake of any other religion is an abomination to him, and violates the first Two Commandments:
Exodus 20:3-5, "Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them:"
If the U.S. Constitution is a godly piece of paper, why does is allow the very thing that God condemns throughout his Holy Scripture?
You hear the phrase, "The Constitution is the Supreme Law of the land." That's not what the Word of God says, "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth" (Genesis 1:1). Did the Constitution create the heaven and the earth? So how could it be the law of the land? Only he who creates, God, is the Law of the land. "And he is before all things, and by him all things consist" (Colossians 1:17). Christ is before the Constitution, and by Jesus, not the Constitution, all things consist.
John 1:3, "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."
Colossians 1:16, "For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:"
All things were created by him and for him, not "by the people, and for the people" (Democracy); not for our enjoyment, not for our wants. We were created for God.
The sole purpose of constitutions is to free human beings from God's Law in order to chain them to the morality of the State dictated in its codes, rules, regulations, ordinances, statutes, public policies, executive orders, laws, etc. All constitutions were created by the fallen reason of the natural man, and are molded by the "reasonable interpretation" of human beings wearing black robes. Private rights are always weighed against the greater public good and are regulated by the "police power".
Those who thus rely upon the words of any constitution for support are leaning upon a broken reed; and their sense of security is a false one. The Constitution does not protect persons or property against unjust invasion, or prevent government control and regulation of business. After all, this depends on the interpretations and applications of the courts. Constitutional law is the morality of fascism and comes from the vain imaginations of men. It is a code, rule, or regulation for the dead thing it brings into being. Corporations are dead, at law. The United States is a Federal corporation. Thus, the United States is a dead thing.
“We are under a Constitution, but the Constitution is what the judges say it is.” Charles Evans Hughes, Supreme Court Justice, in Dictionary of American Maxims (1955), p. 88.
We don't find Christ there, it's men ruling other men, giving benefits to one another. And when the natural man gives a benefit to you, there's a duty attached to it. There's no “freely” giving (Matthew 10:8) and expecting nothing in return, as scripture tells us. We are not to touch the unclean thing (2 Corinthians 6:17), and the US Constitution is an unclean thing, based upon selfishness and commerce.
For over two hundred years, we have been witness to apostasy from the Godly covenants of the Puritans. This project succeeded through the Constitution and the Civil War and Reconstruction. Our nation has rejected Christ and His rule over us. We must pay heed to the warning of Jeremiah 12:17, "But if they will not obey, I will utterly pluck up and destroy that nation, saith the LORD." In the meantime, the battle is not over. We can still repent and turn to God.
The U.S. Constitution is just a piece of paper with signatures on it. And you know what a piece of paper with signatures is: a contract -- something that can be re-negotiated and altered at any time.
what we have it seems is a minority of Atheists and Humanists dictating and riding rough shod over Christians even in Schools - see education for Juniors = via google see [Fact vs Faith]textbooks and for Seniors = via google see [www.EvolutionvsGod.com] - twinc
TheCurseoftheRodain
Member
Hey sojourner, I don't think you are aware of this:
Plus words like God and religion to them meant only The Lord God and Jesus His Christ, and nothing else.
The Constitution is a continuation of the Declaration. That is why it is double dated to September 13th (or whatever day in Sept) when they got all the signatures on the Declaration, and then they dated it on the day the Constitution was signed. Notice it is also dated AD. Anno Domino is an overt reference to the Lordship of Christ.
Plus words like God and religion to them meant only The Lord God and Jesus His Christ, and nothing else.