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Ibrahim Khalil M.A. (Princeton)
A former Egyptian Coptic priest who studied Islam in order to find fault with it. The result was, however, exactly the reverse.
Al-Haj Ibrahim Khalil Ahmad, formerly Ibrahim Khalil Philobus, was an Egyptian Coptic priest who studied theology and earned a masters degree from Princeton University. He studied Islam to find gaps to attack it; instead he embraced Islam with his four children, one of whom is now a professor at the Sorbonne, Paris. This is Mr. Khalil's story.

I was born in Alexandria on the 13th of January 1919 and was sent to the American Mission schools until I got my secondary education certificate there. In 1942 I got my diploma from Asiut University and then I specialized in religious studies as a prelude to join the Faculty of Theology. It was no easy task to join the faculty, as no candidate could join it unless he got a special recommendation from the church, and also, after he should pass a number of difficult exams. I got a recommendation from Al-Attareen Church in Alexandria and another from the Church Assembly of Lower Egypt after passing many tests to know my qualifications to become a man of religion. Then I got a third recommendation from Snodus Church Assembly which included priests from Sudan and Egypt.

The Snodus sanctioned my entrance into the Faculty of Theology in 1944 as a boarding student. There I studied at the hands of American and Egyptian teachers until my graduation in 1948.

I was supposed, he continued, to be appointed in Jerusalem had it not been for the war that broke out in Palestine that same year, so I was sent to Asna in Upper Egypt. That same year I registered for a thesis at the American University in Cairo. It was about the missionary activities among Muslims. My acquaintance with Islam started in the Faculty of Theology where I studied Islam and all the methods through which we could shake the faith of Muslims and raise misconceptions in their understanding of their own religion.

In 1952 I got my M.A. from Princeton University in U.S.A. and was appointed as a teacher in the Faculty of Theology in Asiut. I used to teach Islam in the faculty as well as the faulty misconceptions spread by its enemies and the missionaries against it. During that period I decided to enlarge my study of Islam, so that I should not read the missionaries books on it only. I had so much faith in myself that I was confirmed to read the other point of view. Thus I began to read books written by Muslim authors. I also decided to read the Quran and understand its meanings. This was implied by my love of knowledge and moved by my desire to add more proofs against Islam. The result was, however, exactly the reverse. My position began to shake and I started to feel an internal strong struggle and I discovered the falsehood of everything I had studied and preached to the people. But I could not face myself bravely and tried instead to overcome this internal crisis and continue my work.

In 1954, Mr. Khalil added, I was sent to Aswan as secretary general of the German Swiss Mission. That was only my apparent position for my real mission was to preach against Islam in Upper Egypt especially among Muslims. A missionary conference was held at that time at Cataract Hotel in Aswan and I was given the floor to speak. That day I spoke too much, reiterating all the repeated misconceptions against Islam; and at the end of my speech, the internal crisis came to me again and I started to revise my position.

Continuing his talk about the said crisis, Mr. Khalil said, <<I began to ask myself: Why should I say and do all these things which I know for sure I am a liar, as this is not the truth? I took my leave before the end of the conference and went out alone to my house. I was completely shaken. As I walked through Firyal public garden, I heard a verse of the Quran on the radio. It said: <<Say: It has been revealed to me that a company of Jinns listened (to the Quran). They said: We have really heard a wonderful recital! It gives guidance to the Right, and we have believed therein: We shall not join (in worship) any gods with our Lord.>> (Quran S72v1-2) <<And as for us, since we have listened to the Guidance, we have accepted it: and any one who believes in His Lord, has no fear of either a short (account) or of any injustice.>>(Quran S.72 V.13)

I felt a deep comfort that night and when I returned home I spent the whole night all by myself in my library reading the Quran. My wife inquired from me about the reason of my sitting up all night and I pleaded from her to leave me alone. I stopped for a long time thinking and meditating on the verse; <<Had We sent down this Quran on a mountain, verily thou wouldst have seen it humble itself and cleave asunder for fear of Allah.>> (S.59 V.21) And the verse: <<Strongest among men in enmity to the believers wilt thou find the Jews and the Pagans, and nearest among them in love to the believers wilt thou find those who say, "We are Christians": Because amongst these are men devoted to learning. And men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant. And when they listen to the revelation received by the Messenger, thou wilt see their eyes overflowing with tears, for they recognize the truth: They pray: "Our Lord! We believe, write us down among the witnesses. What cause can we have not to believe in Allah and the truth which has come to us, seeing that we long for our Lord to admit us to the company of the righteous?>> (Quran S.5 V.82-84)

Mr. Khalil then quoted a third quotation from the Holy Quran which says: <<Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (Scriptures), in the Taurat and in the Gospel; for he commands them what is just and forbids them what is evil; he allows them as lawful what is good (and pure) and prohibits them what is bad (and impure): He releases them from their heavy burdens and from the yokes that are upon them. So it is those who believe in him, honor him, help him and follow the light which is sent down with him, it is they who will prosper." Say: "O men! I am sent unto you all, as the Messenger of Allah, to Whom belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth: there is no god but He: It is He that giveth both life and death. So believe in Allah and His Messenger. The unlettered Prophet, who believeth in Allah and His Words: follow Him that (so) you may be guided.>> (Quran S.7 V.157- 158)

Now that same night, Mr. Khalil dramatically concluded: I took my final decision. In the morning I spoke with my wife from whom I have three sons and one daughter. But no sooner than she felt that I was inclined to embrace Islam than she cried and asked for help from the head of the mission. His name was Monsieur Shavits from Switzerland. He was a very cunning man. When he asked me about my true attitude, I told him frankly what I really wanted and then he said: Regard yourself out of job until we discover what has befallen you. Then I said: This is my resignation from my job. He tried to convince me to postpone it, but I insisted. So he made a rumor among the people that I became mad. Thus I suffered a very severe test and oppression until I left Aswan for good and returned to Cairo.

When he was asked about the circumstances to his conversion he replied: <<In Cairo I was introduced to a respectable professor who helped me overcome my severe trial and this he did without knowing anything about my story. He treated me as a Muslim for I introduced myself to him as such although until then I did not embrace Islam officially. That was Dr. Muhammad Abdul Moneim Al Jamal the then undersecretary of treasury. He was highly interested in Islamic studies and wanted to make a translation of the Holy Quran to be published in America. He asked me to help him because I was fluent in English since I had got my M.A. from an American University. He also knew that I was preparing a comparative study of the Quran, the Torah and the Bible. We cooperated in this comparative study and in the translation of the Quran.

When Dr. Jamal knew that I had resigned from my job in Aswan and that I was then unemployed, he helped me with a job in Standard Stationery Company in Cairo. So I was well established after a short while. I did not tell my wife about my intention to embrace Islam thus she thought that I had forgotten the whole affair and that it was nothing but a transitory crisis that no more existed. But I knew quite well that my official conversion to Islam needs long complicated measures and it was in fact a battle which I preferred to postpone for some time until I became well off and after I completed my comparative study.

Then Mr. Khalil continued, <<In 1955 I did complete my study and my material and living affairs became well established. I resigned from the company and set up a training office for importing stationery and school articles. It was a successful business from which I gained much more money than I needed. Thus I decided to declare my official conversion to Islam. On the 25th of December 1959, I sent a telegram to Dr. Thompson, head of the American Mission in Egypt informing him that I had embraced Islam. When I told my true story to Dr. Jamal he was completely astonished. When I declared my conversion to Islam, new troubles began. Seven of my former colleagues in the mission had tried their best to persuade me to cancel my declaration, but I refused. They threatened to separate me from my wife and I said: She is free to do as she wishes. They threatened to kill me. But when they found me to be stubborn they left me alone and sent to me an old friend of mine who was also a colleague of mine in the mission. He wept very much in front of me. So I recited before him the following verses from the Quran: <<And when they listen to the revelation received by the Messenger, thou wilt see their eyes overflowing with tears, for they recognize the truth: They pray: "Our Lord! We believe, write us down among the witnesses. What cause can we have not to believe in Allah and the truth which has come to us, seeing that we long for our Lord to admit us to the company of the righteous?>>. (Quran S.5 V.84) I said to him, "You should have wept in humiliation to God on hearing the Quran and believe in the truth which you know but you refuse. He stood up and left me as he saw no use. My official conversion to Islam was in January 1960.

Mr. Khalil was then asked about the attitude of his wife and children and he answered: My wife left me at that time and took with her all the furniture of our house. But all my children joined me and embraced Islam. The most enthusiastic among them was my eldest son Isaac who changed his name to Osman, then my second son Joseph and my son Samuel whose name is Jamal and daughter Majida who is now called Najwa. Osman is now a doctor of philosophy working as a professor in Sorbonne University in Paris teaching oriental studies and psychology. He also writes in <<Le Monde>> magazine. As in regards to my wife, she left the house for six years and agreed to come back in 1966 provided that she keeps her religion. I accepted this because in Islam there is no compulsion in religion. I said to her: I do not want you to became a Muslim for my sake but only after you are convinced. She feels now that she believes in Islam but she cannot declare this for fear of her family but we treat her as a Muslim woman and she fasts in Ramadan because all my children pray and fast. My daughter Najwa is a student in the Faculty of Commerce, Joseph is a doctor pharmeologist and Jamal is an engineer.

During this period, that is since 1961 until the present time I have been able to publish a number of books on Islam and the methods of the missionaries and the orientalist against it. I am now preparing a comparative study about women in the three Divine religions with the object of highlighting the status of women in Islam. In 1973 I performed Hajj (pilgrimage to Mecca) and I am doing activities preaching Islam. I hold seminars in the universities and charitable societies. I received an invitation from Sudan in 1974 where I held many seminars. My time is fully used in the service of Islam.

Finally Mr. Khalil was asked about the salient features of Islam which have attracted his attention most. And he answered: My faith in Islam has been brought about through reading the Holy Quran and the biography of Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings of God be upon him. I no longer believed in the misconceptions against Islam and I am especially attracted by the concept of unity of God, which is the most important feature of Islam. God is only One. Nothing is like Him. This belief makes me the servant of God only and of no one else. Oneness of God liberates man from servitude to any human being and that is true freedom.

I also like very much the rule of forgiveness in Islam and the direct relationship between God and His servants.

<<Say: "O my servants who have transgressed against their souls!, despair not of the Mercy of Allah: for Allah forgives all sins: for He is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. Turn ye to your Lord (in repentance) and submit to Him before the Chastisement comes on you: After that ye shall not be helped.>> (Quran S.39 V.53-54)



Source: The Islamic Bulletin, San Francisco, CA 94141-0186 and http://www.thetruereligion.org/
 
And what have you to say about the many Muslims who convert to Christianity because Jesus appeared to them in a dream or vision? Your stories prove nothing.

Anyone who converts to Islam from Christianity truely did not understand Christianity in the first place. In one class I was in, we had a local doctor, who was raised a Christian and converted to Islam, come in and give a talk about his beliefs. It was very apparent that his knowledge of Christian theology and belief was in error and his beliefs about Islam would not have been accepted by most Muslims.
 
Free said:
And what have you to say about the many Muslims who convert to Christianity because Jesus appeared to them in a dream or vision? Your stories prove nothing.

Anyone who converts to Islam from Christianity truely did not understand Christianity in the first place. In one class I was in, we had a local doctor, who was raised a Christian and converted to Islam, come in and give a talk about his beliefs. It was very apparent that his knowledge of Christian theology and belief was in error and his beliefs about Islam would not have been accepted by most Muslims.
So you are now quick to disown all those priests and Preachers who spent so many years serving your religion as heretics just Because they saw the light and found the truth.There are thousands of them, men and women of the church who were very active in their Christianity who have seen the Light.So all these years you(plural) have been taught and preached by heretics then. That means as far as christianity is concerned there is no tolerance every one who see the truth is either called mad or a heretic but does not have free choice, contrary to what Christians try to make the world beleive.
Peace
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warner said:
So you are now quick to disown all those priests and Preachers who spent so many years serving your religion as heretics just Because they saw the light and found the truth.
Welll that's the whole point isn't it: which is true, Christianity or Islam? Islam isn't the light, it is darkness, it is a Christian heresy itself.

warner said:
There are thousands of them, men and women of the church who were very active in their Christianity who have seen the Light.
So you claim. And I will claim that thousands of Muslims who have converted to Christianity did so because Jesus himself appeared to them in a dream or vision and told them that Islam was false and Christianity true.

warner said:
So all these years you(plural) have been taught and preached by heretics then.
If they are that weak then perhaps it is best for Christianity that they leave it behind. At least the heretics are leaving and are not teaching Christians anymore.

warner said:
That means as far as christianity is concerned there is no tolerance every one who see the truth is either called mad or a heretic but does not have free choice, contrary to what Christians try to make the world beleive.
But there is no reason at all to believe that Islam is the truth. There is every reason to believe that it is a Christian heresy. You'll have to make clear what you are saying here. It seems that you are saying that there is no free choice in Christianity yet you post on people who have left Christianity for Islam, which would indicate that they have free choice. Also, Christianity is a religion of tolerance, much more so than Islam.
 
People have converted from Christianity to Islam. Others have converted from Islam to Christianity.

The Caner brothers are two such examples.

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Free said:
warner said:
So you are now quick to disown all those priests and Preachers who spent so many years serving your religion as heretics just Because they saw the light and found the truth.
Welll that's the whole point isn't it: which is true, Christianity or Islam? Islam isn't the light, it is darkness, it is a Christian heresy itself.

warner said:
There are thousands of them, men and women of the church who were very active in their Christianity who have seen the Light.
So you claim. And I will claim that thousands of Muslims who have converted to Christianity did so because Jesus himself appeared to them in a dream or vision and told them that Islam was false and Christianity true.

warner said:
So all these years you(plural) have been taught and preached by heretics then.
If they are that weak then perhaps it is best for Christianity that they leave it behind. At least the heretics are leaving and are not teaching Christians anymore.

warner said:
That means as far as christianity is concerned there is no tolerance every one who see the truth is either called mad or a heretic but does not have free choice, contrary to what Christians try to make the world beleive.
But there is no reason at all to believe that Islam is the truth. There is every reason to believe that it is a Christian heresy. You'll have to make clear what you are saying here. It seems that you are saying that there is no free choice in Christianity yet you post on people who have left Christianity for Islam, which would indicate that they have free choice. Also, Christianity is a religion of tolerance, much more so than Islam.

Free said:
So you claim. And I will claim that thousands of Muslims who have converted to Christianity did so because Jesus himself appeared to them in a dream or vision and told them that Islam was false and Christianity true..
There are not thousands of Muslim scholars who have served Islam for who have converted in to christianity.Those who are converting are being bribed by Missionaries, many who had little knowledge of their own religion.I have met People in my hometown of London, who came to preach to me, Africans/indians foreigners who would do anything to get a British nationality and yes they were given that, and house and wife too, traded in for their Birthright Islam.The Missiomnaries of the past did the same thing as we can see even Columbus did not Discocver anything he only christianised them. So the thousands of muslims who are going to Christianity from Islam are not those who have really known the truth of their religion.Just Like you claim those that left yours were not Proper Beleivers.I have known ex-Christians,men of the church doing Matsters in or PHD in theology who after studying The truth from the Christian texts became Atheists. Again you will say the were not filled with the holy spirit as your excuse but i will say that when they read the true texts and found truth did not lie in Christianity, their faith was based on Blind Following and when they read the real scriptures, they even became disilluisioned with religion.This is the Effect Christianity has on People it is only blind following but when the people reach out and read their own scriptures they have no more faith.i have read many instances where the Bible has guided many to Islam.I deal with converts all the time and others who are on the point of converting too. Many were priests, preachers and missionaries.
Peace
:angel:
 
Warner, I also deal with converts. I deal with converts from Islam to Christianity. All those converts talk about the dry, repetitive "worship"of Allah, a god they never knew.

When they come to true, saving faith, they talk about the relationship they have with the true, living God through His Son, Jesus Christ.

You too know that your religion is dry and worthless.

Why not call on Jesus and see what happens?

:)
 
Gary_Bee said:
Warner, I also deal with converts. I deal with converts from Islam to Christianity. All those converts talk about the dry, repetitive "worship"of Allah, a god they never knew.

When they come to true, saving faith, they talk about the relationship they have with the true, living God through His Son, Jesus Christ.

You too know that your religion is dry and worthless.

Why not call on Jesus and see what happens?

:)
you show clearly that your knowledge of your own religion is lacking , you are asking me to call on to Jesus when jesu called onto the One true GOD your GOD and MY GOD as he told you but then you lot don't listen to his words do you.If you really did you would have realised that he Called on to the One GOD and asked us to do the same.In the garden of Gethsemane who was he crying and begging too, while he was sweating blood. Dry and worthless is the blind faith that you followwhere the book says one thing and you follow complete opposite.If men and women of the Church are leaving christianity people who have devoted years into calling to the wrong GOD and have now seen the truth in Islam, I pity you that you are still blinded and in darkness.
May God have mery upon you before you die as there were fervent enemies of Islam who became the Best of creation when the Became Muslim.So before it is too late may GOd have mercy upon you and lead youto the right path.
peace
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Well said brother, I am praying for God to Guide all people to our great Islam.
 
Gary_Bee said:
Warner, I also deal with converts. I deal with converts from Islam to Christianity. All those converts talk about the dry, repetitive "worship"of Allah, a god they never knew.

When they come to true, saving faith, they talk about the relationship they have with the true, living God through His Son, Jesus Christ.

You too know that your religion is dry and worthless.

Why not call on Jesus and see what happens?

:)
The difference between you and i is that you deal with people who have been lied to by Missionaries and offered bribes, and material glory to leave their religion.people who did not even have knowledge of their own religiopn.I deal with Ex people of the Church who have been educated about both their religion and about islam and who know very where the trtuh lies. They have not been lied to or bribed into leaving their religion.They have studied it and Chosen themselves to leave falsehood for truth.This is world of Difference.

40:58 Not equal are the blind and those who (clearly) see: Nor are (equal) those who believe and work deeds of righteousness, and those who do evil. Little do ye learn by admonition!

17:72 But those who were blind in this world, will be blind in the hereafter, and most astray from the Path.

27:66 Still less can their knowledge comprehend the Hereafter: Nay, they are in doubt and uncertainty thereanent; nay, they are blind thereunto!
Peace
:angel:
 
Wrong again Warner. Most of the ex-Muslims I have met are very intelligent. They leave Islam when they start studying the life of Muhammad and compare that to the life of Jesus.

They leave their hate behind and accept the love which is Jesus Christ.

They are persecuted and threatened because they have left Islam. Many can't even publicly admit that they have left Islam because they fear for their life.

That is the sad reality of Islam.

However, these converts to Christianity will NEVER give up what they have found...... peace and joy and love in Jesus Christ.

You see, Jesus' words are true. He says that even families will be divided because of Him.

:)
 
Muhsen said:
Well said brother, I am praying for God to Guide all people to our great Islam.
Really?
Don't count on me I would rather be death and one day I will probably die by the hands of some ignorant muslim but so be it.
I would never forsake my Jesus never even if it meant saving my life.

Matthew 10

28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell

Matthew 16

For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

Mark 8

35 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it.
36 For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
37 Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?
38 Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.

And I don't have to convert to Islam to become a murder, pedophile or a rapist I can se that its done every day by none muslim as well as muslims so why bother to convert if you can do the same without converting?
Shalom and love in the name of YESHUA the only man/GOD without sin
 
The only True religion is Islam

Noble Quran 3:85. And whoever seeks a religion other than Islâm, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers.

Noble Quran 3:19! Truly, the religion with Allâh is Islâam. Those who were given the Scripture (Jews and Christians) did not differ except, out of mutual jealousy, after knowledge had come to them. And whoever disbelieves in the Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, signs, revelations, etc.) of Allâh, then surely, Allâh is Swift in calling to account.

Noble Quran 5:3! … This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My Favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islâam as your religion…

Noble Qur’aan 5:3! … This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My Favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islâam as your religion…

I am thanking God because I am Muslim and far to be murder, pedophile or a rapist. Also far for religious Muslims.

Hope God guide you to the truth sister YESHUA, I think you are sister, are you?
 
Warner said:
There are not thousands of Muslim scholars who have served Islam for who have converted in to christianity.
Frist, there is no reason to believe that thousands of Christian scholars are converting to Islam. So far, it is just a baseless claim you have made and smacks of Islam propaganda. Second, who cares whether scholars are the ones converting or not; the fact is, people are converting. The problem with scholars is that they often have a mere head knowledge of God and the truth of the message doesn't get into the heart or their experience. It is one thing to know about God, it is another thing entirely to know God.

Do you have a personal relationship with God? Do you know Him?

Warner said:
Those who are converting are being bribed by Missionaries, many who had little knowledge of their own religion.
Well of course. Who wouldn't take a bit of cash to convert to another religion and risk being killed for doing so. :-? Again, another baseless claim that is propaganda.

Warner said:
So the thousands of muslims who are going to Christianity from Islam are not those who have really known the truth of their religion.
Or they simply found Islam to be untrue and found the real truth in Christ.

Warner said:
This is the Effect Christianity has on People it is only blind following but when the people reach out and read their own scriptures they have no more faith.
On the contrary, many have studied the Bible, including myself and many on these forums, and have found it to be true and had their faith greatly strengthened.


Muhsen said:
The only True religion is Islam
Islam is based on distorted truths and half-truths from Christianity. As I have stated several times: Islam is a Christian heresy and as such, it is not the truth.
 
The view of Gerald Bray-


"In the Quran there are isolated references to various prophets and kings of the Old Testament, as well as to Mary and Jesus, but the understanding of the Bible which these allusions reveal is fragmentary and superficial... There are frequent references to Jesus' miracles, but these merely contribute to the general impression gleaned from the Quran that Muhammad thought of him as an extra-ordinary wonderworker more than anything else.

The general impression of superficiality is strengthened by the designation of both Jews and Christians as 'people of the book', the possession of a sacred scripture evidently being regarded as praiseworthy in itself. There is no appreciation of the covenant, and no sign that Muhammad knew anything about having a personal relationship with God in Christ.

A Christian looking at Islam is almost bound to say that Muhammad misunderstood the central teachings of the Bible...

Some of its features are oddly similar to Mormonism, like the appearance of the prophet, the divine book, the importance of angelology and even the toleration of polygamy. From the theological angle it appears to be a kind of monotheism for beginners, simplified and purged of any doctrinal or cultic complexity."



G.L. Bray, Contours of Christian Theology: The Doctrine of God (Inter-Varsity Press, 1993) page 121-122.
 
Free said:
Islam is based on distorted truths and half-truths from Christianity. As I have stated several times: Islam is a Christian heresy and as such, it is not the truth.


LOGICAL GROUNDS TO PROVE THAT THE PROPHET DID NOT LEARN THE QUR’AN FROM JEWS OR CHRISTIANS


The day-to-day life of the Prophet was an open book for all to see. In fact a revelation came asking people to give the Prophet (pbuh) privacy in his own home. If the Prophet had been meeting people who told him what to say as a revelation from God, this would not have been hidden for very long.
The extremely prominent Quraish nobles who followed the Prophet and accepted Islam were wise and intelligent men who would have easily noticed anything suspicious about the way in which the Prophet brought the revelations to them - more so since the Prophetic mission lasted 23 years.
The enemies of the Prophet kept a close watch on him in order to find proof for their claim that he was a liar - they could not point out even a single instance when the Prophet may have had a secret rendezvous with particular Jews and Christians.
It is inconceivable that any human author of the Qur’an would have accepted a situation in which he received no credit whatsoever for originating the Qur’an.
Thus, historically and logically it cannot be established that there was a human source for the Qur’an.


MUHUMMAD (PBUH) WAS AN ILLITERATE


The theory that Muhummad (pbuh) authored the Qur’an or copied from other sources can be disproved by the single historical fact that he was illiterate.

Allah testifies Himself in the Qur’an
In Surah Al-Ankabut chapter no.29 verse 48

"And thou was not (able) to recite a Book before this (Book came), nor art thou (able) to transcribe it with thy right hand: in that case, indeed, would the talkers of vanities have doubted."
[Al-Qur’an 29:48]

Allah (swt) knew that many would doubt the authenticity of the Qur’an and would ascribe it to Prophet Muhummad (pbuh). Therefore Allah in His Divine Wisdom chose the last and final Messenger to be an ‘Ummi’, i.e. unlettered, so that the talkers of vanity would not then have the slightest justification to doubt the Prophet. The accusation of his enemies that he had copied the Qur’an from other sources and rehashed it all in a beautiful language might have carried some weight, but even this flimsy pretence has been deprived to the unbeliever and the cynic.

Allah reconfirms in the Qur’an in Surah Al A’raf chapter 7 verse 157:

"Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (Scriptures) in the Law and the Gospel"

The prophecy of coming of the unlettered Prophet (pbuh) is also mentioned in the Bible in the book of Isaiah chapter 29 verse 12.

"And the book is delivered to him that is not learned."
[Isaiah 29:12]

The Qur’an testifies in no less than four different places that the Prophet (pbuh) was illiterate. It is also mentioned in Surah A’raf chapter 7 verse 158 and in Surah Al-Jumu’a chapter 62 verse 2.


ARABIC VERSION OF THE BIBLE WAS NOT PRESENT


The Arabic version of the Bible was not present at the time of Prophet Muhummad (pbuh). The earliest Arabic version of the Old Testament is that of R. Saadias Gaon of 900 C.E. - more than 250 years after the death of our beloved Prophet. The oldest Arabic version of the new Testament was published by Erpenius in 1616 C.E. - about a thousand years after the demise of our Prophet.


SIMILARITIES IN THE QUR’AN AND THE BIBLE DUE TO COMMON SOURCE


Similarities between the Qur’an and the Bible does not necessarily mean that the former has been copied from the latter. In fact it gives evidence that both of them are based on a common third source; all divine revelations came from the same source - the one universal God. No matter what human changes were introduced into some of these Judeo-Christian and other older religious scriptures that had distorted their originality, there are some areas that have remained free from distortion and thus are common to many religions.

It is true that there are some similar parallels between the Qur’an and the Bible but this is not sufficient to accuse Muhummad (pbuh) of compiling or copying from the Bible. The same logic would then also be applicable to teachings of Christianity and Judaism and thus one could wrongly claim that Jesus (pbuh) was not a genuine Prophet (God forbid) and that he simply copied from the Old Testament.

The similarities between the two signify a common source that is one true God and the continuation of the basic message of monotheism and not that the later prophets have plagiarised from the previous prophets.

If someone copies during an examination he will surely not write in the answer sheet that he has copied from his neighbour or Mr. XYZ. Prophet Muhummad (pbuh) gave due respect and credit to all the previous prophets (pbut). The Qur’an also mentions the various revelations given by Almighty God to different prophets.
 
DivineNames said:
The view of Gerald Bray-

"In the Quran there are isolated references to various prophets and kings of the Old Testament, as well as to Mary and Jesus, but the understanding of the Bible which these allusions reveal is fragmentary and superficial... There are frequent references to Jesus' miracles, but these merely contribute to the general impression gleaned from the Quran that Muhammad thought of him as an extra-ordinary wonderworker more than anything else.

The general impression of superficiality is strengthened by the designation of both Jews and Christians as 'people of the book', the possession of a sacred scripture evidently being regarded as praiseworthy in itself. There is no appreciation of the covenant, and no sign that Muhammad knew anything about having a personal relationship with God in Christ.

A Christian looking at Islam is almost bound to say that Muhammad misunderstood the central teachings of the Bible...

Some of its features are oddly similar to Mormonism, like the appearance of the prophet, the divine book, the importance of angelology and even the toleration of polygamy. From the theological angle it appears to be a kind of monotheism for beginners, simplified and purged of any doctrinal or cultic complexity."

G.L. Bray, Contours of Christian Theology: The Doctrine of God (Inter-Varsity Press, 1993) page 121-122.

Anyone who knows Christianity and then reads Muhammad's rather feeble attempt to discredit Christianity and Judaism will know right away that Muhammad had very little understanding of either religion.

IF the Quran was from God, surely God would have remembered what he had taught Jews and Christians?

:-?
 
Gary_Bee said:
DivineNames said:
The view of Gerald Bray-

"In the Quran there are isolated references to various prophets and kings of the Old Testament, as well as to Mary and Jesus, but the understanding of the Bible which these allusions reveal is fragmentary and superficial... There are frequent references to Jesus' miracles, but these merely contribute to the general impression gleaned from the Quran that Muhammad thought of him as an extra-ordinary wonderworker more than anything else.

The general impression of superficiality is strengthened by the designation of both Jews and Christians as 'people of the book', the possession of a sacred scripture evidently being regarded as praiseworthy in itself. There is no appreciation of the covenant, and no sign that Muhammad knew anything about having a personal relationship with God in Christ.

A Christian looking at Islam is almost bound to say that Muhammad misunderstood the central teachings of the Bible...

Some of its features are oddly similar to Mormonism, like the appearance of the prophet, the divine book, the importance of angelology and even the toleration of polygamy. From the theological angle it appears to be a kind of monotheism for beginners, simplified and purged of any doctrinal or cultic complexity."

G.L. Bray, Contours of Christian Theology: The Doctrine of God (Inter-Varsity Press, 1993) page 121-122.

Anyone who knows Christianity and then reads Muhammad's rather feeble attempt to discredit Christianity and Judaism will know right away that Muhammad had very little understanding of either religion.

IF the Quran was from God, surely God would have remembered what he had taught Jews and Christians?

:-?
AMEN my friend AMEN
Shalom and love in the name of YESHUA, and not to long ago we here in Denmark greeted each other by saying good evening GODS PEACE, when you entered a home to sad we don't do that anymore.
 
Muhsen said:
LOGICAL GROUNDS TO PROVE THAT THE PROPHET DID NOT LEARN THE QUR’AN FROM JEWS OR CHRISTIANS


Allah testifies Himself in the Qur’an



If the origin of the Quran is the very issue disputed, you can't use as an argument something like, "Allah testifies Himself in the Quran...". You are asking the non-Muslim to assume what is at stake, this is a logical fallacy known as, "begging the question".
 
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