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coelacanth

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Hello everyone,

I signed up thinking this might be a forum with the freedom to engage in a respectful intellectual debate from the perspective of an atheist who is highly skeptical about Christian beliefs, but interested in conversation with educated Christians about their belief structure. That seems to be prevented by the forum rules, and I will abide by them and make no further posts unless I have misinterpreted what is allowed. I can see the usefulness of forums where such things are not allowed, and I respect that this site maintains that it be banned. I only posted because I thought some people here might recommend where I could go to find a site with lots of Christians who are open-minded and willing to talk about such issues. Please do not direct me to atheist sites.

Thank you, and I hope I have not disturbed the peace by posting this.
Take care.
 
There are forums you can debate that issue in here. Look around.

Welcome to CFnet. :)
 
GojuBrian said:
There are forums you can debate that issue in here. Look around.

Welcome to CFnet. :)
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OK, thank you. It's just that there are many things I find to be irrational and, to be frank, stupid about theism and I am all too familiar with Christianity. I do not wish to be insulting to the person by any stretch of the imagination, but rather what I was looking for was a robust critical defense of a position with the freedom to completely deconstruct an opponents position on religious matters with the same freedom they have to criticize mine. For some reason atheism is expressly classified as a religion by the forum rules, and I fear I would be in violation of the forum rules if I did so. I wanted someplace with more Christians because the places I've seen where those things are allowed are more generally populated by non-Christians.
 
Sorry to hear you are disappointed, but, there are many in here who will debate with you.
I'll tell you another thing, this is THE BEST online Christian forum in the entire internet world.
I've been a member of several other so called Christian forums, and all of them are intolerant of anyone who does not fit their specifically outlined mold. No room for controversy, no questioning of authority allowed. You are in the best place you can be, my atheist friend. Trust me!!
 
Biblereader said:
Sorry to hear you are disappointed, but, there are many in here who will debate with you.
I'll tell you another thing, this is THE BEST online Christian forum in the entire internet world.
I've been a member of several other so called Christian forums, and all of them are intolerant of anyone who does not fit their specifically outlined mold. No room for controversy, no questioning of authority allowed. You are in the best place you can be, my atheist friend. Trust me!!
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OK, I think I'll give it a go. I just didn't want to step on any toes. Thanks!
 
coelacanth,

I presume you consider yourself to be an atheist. What do you mean by atheism and/or atheist?
 
coelacanth said:
Hello everyone,

I signed up thinking this might be a forum with the freedom to engage in a respectful intellectual debate from the perspective of an atheist who is highly skeptical about Christian beliefs, but interested in conversation with educated Christians about their belief structure. That seems to be prevented by the forum rules, and I will abide by them and make no further posts unless I have misinterpreted what is allowed. I can see the usefulness of forums where such things are not allowed, and I respect that this site maintains that it be banned. I only posted because I thought some people here might recommend where I could go to find a site with lots of Christians who are open-minded and willing to talk about such issues. Please do not direct me to atheist sites.

Thank you, and I hope I have not disturbed the peace by posting this.
Take care.
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I wish I knew atheists who were truly here for the purposes they state.... :sad
 
GojuBrian said:
I wish I knew atheists who were truly here for the purposes they state.... :sad
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Are you saying that atheists usually are not here for the purposes they state, or that you think I am not here for the stated purpose?

minnesota said:
coelacanth,

I presume you consider yourself to be an atheist. What do you mean by atheism and/or atheist?
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I am not a "strong" atheist in that I don't claim that I know 100% that there is no God. It cannot be proven with absolute certainty one way or the other. I am a general atheist. That does not mean that I am an agnostic, however, unless you mean agnostic in the same sense that "I don't really know whether an alien named Brczzzarfran is controlling my movements like a marionette puppet from the Andromeda galaxy" would make me an agnostic simply because I cannot prove it and say 100% for sure. Religion seems to me to be silly and irrational nonsense that had a few good things about it in that it served as a type of "cultural training wheels" and also helped people aim towards perfection, but it's time to grow up, now. Don't get me wrong, I think there are very good things about the teachings within religion and Christianity that should definitely be brought along, but there are many other things which have to be dropped because they are a danger to society.
 
Coela.....

We respectfully welcome you into the fellowship of CF Ministries. And we hope in Christ that you find the answers you're seeking. I suggest Coela that before entering any forum, please read the rules, strictly abide in them, communicate in a respectful manner, and everything will be fine. We do have a debate forum, and some here that chomp at the bit for a good one on one respectful debate.

I would like you to understand [though I understand your belief position] we've have had many atheist enter with the intent to create chaos. And in the process offended members here with their rudeness and valgarity, and outright disrespect to another human being. There should be a common ground of carrying one's self [where ever anyone should walk/talk] with maturity/respect/kindness in order to recieve the same. When any post steps out of bounds [whether christian or atheist] these rules are enforced, no one is the exception.

I personally ask for forgiveness if I have in any way made you feel like you were not welcomed. This is not our intent. I at one time walked in the same shoes you did until our Lord bless me with a divine intervention for the sake of my soul. My beliefs at one time were much more in depth of corruption of the soul , than yours honey. Truely I'm a piece of HIS miracle work, and what I experience the day our Lord saved me is beyond comprehension for some, but for me personally.....it's what it took for me to believe in HIS existence. But Coela, Christ [for me anyway] went beyond the call of duty to love me, forgive me, save me, change me, use me to bless others instantly in a twinkling of an eye, delivering me instantly of 25-30 years of addiction without withdrawls, DT's, cravings. And filled me with so much love, love like no other on this planet. What I'm trying to say, is that Coela it's my prayer that while you are here.....may our Lord bless you to know HIM, as you seek the Truth of your heart. May our Lord give you your hearts desire to learn who HE is.

May this be a new day the Lord has made, and may you be glad in it, and with a fresh start here at CF.
 
coelacanth said:
minnesota said:
I presume you consider yourself to be an atheist. What do you mean by atheism and/or atheist?
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I am not a "strong" atheist in that I don't claim that I know 100% that there is no God. It cannot be proven with absolute certainty one way or the other. I am a general atheist. That does not mean that I am an agnostic, however, unless you mean agnostic in the same sense that "I don't really know whether an alien named Brczzzarfran is controlling my movements like a marionette puppet from the Andromeda galaxy" would make me an agnostic simply because I cannot prove it and say 100% for sure. Religion seems to me to be silly and irrational nonsense that had a few good things about it in that it served as a type of "cultural training wheels" and also helped people aim towards perfection, but it's time to grow up, now. Don't get me wrong, I think there are very good things about the teachings within religion and Christianity that should definitely be brought along, but there are many other things which have to be dropped because they are a danger to society.
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This doesn't quite help me understand what you mean by atheist. You have defined what an atheist is not, but not what an atheist is. It's akin to me declaring I'm a willobilokist. Then defining it as not a police officer, not a metal box, not the color purple, and not an automobile.
 
minnesota said:
This doesn't quite help me understand what you mean by atheist. You have defined what an atheist is not, but not what an atheist is.
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Precisely. Atheism is not a belief, it is a lack of belief. Specifically a lack of belief in a theistic God, plain and simple. Are you looking for the doctrines of atheism? There are none, I live my life and don't put any God into the equation.

I'm not sure what you're looking for. Do I feel anything is missing by not subscribing to a religion? A statement of where I personally derive morality maybe? Please clarify.
 
coelacanth said:
Precisely. Atheism is not a belief, it is a lack of belief. Specifically a lack of belief in a theistic God, plain and simple.
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Does you consider atheism to be your position with regards to the god-question?
 
coelacanth said:
minnesota said:
coelacanth said:
Precisely. Atheism is not a belief, it is a lack of belief. Specifically a lack of belief in a theistic God, plain and simple.
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Does you consider atheism to be your position with regards to the god-question?
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Hehe. And you claim the Christian faith is silly and irrational. :)
 
coelacanth said:
minnesota said:
coelacanth said:
Precisely. Atheism is not a belief, it is a lack of belief. Specifically a lack of belief in a theistic God, plain and simple.
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Does you consider atheism to be your position with regards to the god-question?
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Yes
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I'm really not sure how that clarified anything after a more lengthy explanation, but I went ahead and did it. I said I was an atheist, of course it is in regards to the god-question. I'd like to know why atheism is silly and irrational.
 
coelacanth said:
I'm really not sure how that clarified anything after a more lengthy explanation, but I went ahead and did it. I said I was an atheist, of course it is in regards to the god-question. I'd like to know why atheism is silly and irrational.
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A position adheres to something. Atheism adheres to nothing. Therefore, to be logically consistent, one cannot consider atheism to be a position and a mere lack of theism.
 
minnesota said:
coelacanth said:
I'm really not sure how that clarified anything after a more lengthy explanation, but I went ahead and did it. I said I was an atheist, of course it is in regards to the god-question. I'd like to know why atheism is silly and irrational.
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A position adheres to something. Atheism adheres to nothing. Therefore, to be logically consistent, one cannot consider atheism to be a position and a mere lack of theism.
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Awwww... you beat me! .... WAIT! NOT EVEN CLOSE!

What I described is a possible philosophical perspective (a.k.a. position, yes it is synonymous with "perspective" here). You're trying to play a twisted word game to cancel things out and it's not working very well for you. I'd like to request your explanation as to what you mean when you say "a position adheres to something", though. Additionally, I don't believe in a personal God. Why couldn't I adhere to the position that I don't believe in a personal God? That's my perspective on the god-question. I clicked around a bit and saw you have made this nonsensical assertion, or something very like it, before.

What is your position on the ancient jar of grape jelly that commands when earthquakes and volcanoes occur from the safety of it's outer casing in the upper mantle?
 
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