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A view of a Carnal & Miserable kind of Polygyny

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A view of a Carnal and Miserable kind of Polygyny unlike the Spiritual and Happy one.


POLYGAMY PROBLEMS
BY CLAIRE ZULKEY

Being the first wife means that everybody hates you and those other wives are just waiting for you to fall from your perch, silently praying every day that you do. They won’t take any steps themselves to be rid of you but they won’t cry if you do go. Nothing good is ever said about you and nobody will ever back you up. You know this and you don’t like it, but the worst part is how cheated you feel. You originally married one man, not a man and several other women. But you wouldn’t give your spot up for the world. In a strange, small sense you nurture your bitterness and hurt. Being the victim can be a sweet pain. He treats you with extreme care and buys you nice presents. You’re the first, you know you’re the benchmark, and in the end, he always comes back to you. You’re the queen bee: the rest are just wannabes.You sleep in the big bedroom, you make the shopping lists and you have control of the money. You have his ear and ultimately, the final word on everything.Well, almost everything.

The problem with being the second wife lies in your stupid misplaced sense of entitlement. You feel like you are the one he really wants, you are the one who really understands him and if it weren’t for that first wife, you would be exactly where you should be in life. You’re two steps away from killing her except you know that you’d be breaking apart that whole twisted sense of ‘family’ that he keeps talking about and you wouldn’t forgive yourself if you disappointed him. Crack the veneer of the family and the whole thing falls apart. The others hate you almost as much as they hate the first wife, as you are loud and defensive. He loves your mind, he tells you, and you mistakenly think everyone else does, too. You’re rather obnoxious. You’re the first to decry the first wife as unsatisfactory and the other wives as unsavory. You’re in so much pain from loving someone you can’t have to yourself that you don’t even think about it anymore. But you’re satisfied with your role. After all, if you weren’t there, it wouldn’t be polygamy.

When you’re the third wife you realize what a pointless battle you’re fighting. Sharing part of a person is so ridiculous, but a third is such an absurdly small share. You can’t unseat the first wife and the second wife is just waiting to eliminate you quickly and cruelly if you move in on her. So even though you believe in following your heart you see what a stupid exercise this is. You don’t know what you’re doing but you do know that if you weren’t part of this, you wouldn’t be doing anything at all. But anyway, the sex is usually pretty good. He always seems relieved to be with you. Except for when he seems to act like you’re wasting his time. You often wonder at what point this stopped being fun and started getting too serious. One day you were temping and the next day you realize you’ve been working at the same job for five years. Maybe you need another husband on the side.

The problem with being the fourth wife is that you’re no longer part of the party. It’s a little boring. Who cares about the fourth-stringer? But on the other hand, you’re so removed from the fracas that at least you maintain part of your dignity. You feel like you’re watching the parade and you don’t mind at all. Little effort, little drama, plus a husband and family. Not bad!

The other wives are just babymaking satellites, but annoying and painful ones nonetheless. He collects them almost by accident.

The husband’s responsibility, meanwhile, is to keep everyone happy. Happy enough. He rarely succeeds. He is a very happy, very nervous man. He has to remember that Wife Three is kinder to Wife One than Wife Two is, but Wife Two and Three get along better than Two and Four. He knows that Wives Three and Four actually enjoy each other’s company but they will tease the younger wives mercilessly. It’s like chemistry.

The husband occasionally makes attempts to bring the wives together, because he doesn’t like conflict and mistakenly thinks that he can have them be friends. For instance, he will take wives Two and Three out to a bar. Wife Two dominates the conversation, quite loudly. Wife Three feels happy to be there but has the not-so-sneaking suspicion that Wife Two is thinking, “If she weren’t here, this would be perfect.†Wife Three wishes she could play pool or pick some songs on the jukebox but doesn’t want to leave her spot at the table. During strained conversation, Wife Two makes fun of wife Three’s musical choices and tendency to spend too much money. Wife Three holds her tongue because she knows that the quieter she keeps, the better the husband will think of her in comparison to Wife Two. She does not tell Wife Two that she has popcorn stuck in her teeth. Wife One is at home wondering how long the three have to stay out for before she can start getting legitimately angry.

The husband thinks that it would be nice if he and all the wives went to the library together, on an excursion. “Isn’t this fun?†he asks weakly, and they all have to agree through clenched teeth because if they don’t, then they’re not team players. Wife Two makes a point only to check out books that are classics or the hippest, newest, hottest books on the market. Wife Four checks out Oprah books and she doesn’t care when Wife Two makes fun of her. Wife Three would also like to check out Oprah books but she does care when Wife Two makes fun of her, so she selects some esoteric books that she knows she’ll never read. She wishes she could throw them at Wife Two’s head. The other wives run around the library giggling and shrieking because they’re practically still children. Wife One doesn’t even stay at the library: she has no time for this. She goes grocery shopping. The husband hides in the periodicals section and reads newspapers on sticks.

The husband made the mistake of spending time with only Wife One and Wife Two once, and he felt ill for weeks afterward.

He has the most fun when he’s with Wives Three and Four, because they are eager to please, but so much less competitive. They relax him.

Being only with the young wives, however, makes him feel old. Sometimes he thinks about giving the whole thing up, starting again with One, but he knows how much less fun that would be. He would miss the other girls. His girls, he thinks. He would think about them all the time.

The trickiest, always, is his birthday party. Every year he invites more and more friends to dilute the tension but they always show up to watch the tension unfold. Seeing Wives One and Two standing fiercely on either side of him as he blows out the candles alone is worth it, they say. Each wife spends all day preparing for the festivities, and when he makes his appearance, it’s as if the gun is being fired at a race, each posing, vying for attention, playing aloof, constant competition. Wife Four chats prettily with strangers. Wife Three rolls her eyes and sits on the stoop and smokes and waits for the husband to furtively pop out and see her. The young wives, meanwhile, dance and laugh and get too drunk. The husband makes sure to kiss all the wives goodnight and tell them how special they made his birthday. Each wife, except for the young ones, falls asleep either congratulating herself or cursing herself for that night’s performance.

For all, each day is like starting a race, and each day they vow that they will either drop out or win this race. It’s excruciating, the things that they go through but you can’t help it when you’re in love and in need. After all, there are plenty of men in this world, but only one husband.

(Divorce, of course, is out of the question.)

Source Website - http://eyeshot.net/zulkey.html
 
Interesting or Irrelevant?

This is inane, and yes, divorce is of course, out of the question aside for the permissable reason of adultery. Those who hold that Polygyny is acceptable in all ways to God (me) would also naturally exclude that as a reason available to women. Are you trying to say that women should have divorce available to them, that you support the writer of this little screed? What's the point here?

Hugh McBryde
 
Multiple wives...

Give me a break....

Unless you were brainwashed as a small child to believe that hogwash than any man attempting this kind of activity is going to be in serious trouble.

One woman is enough for anybody....

It was Adam and Eve...

Not Adam and Samantha and Eve and Clara and......
 
Polygamy is only wrong for leaders, elders, overseers, etc. In other words, rulers of a congregation.

Yahweh didn't find it wrong for men before, and not now. He doesn't change. Not recommended (not many people can handle it imo, nowadays), but certainly not "wrong".
 
wavy,

So is this a good excuse for checking out other women when you are already married?

Is it part of God's plan for you to "seek" other women?

:oops:

This is a aerious question...
 
Guys, the 10 Commandments pre-date David, Solomon, etc

"You shall NOT commit adultery"

"Therefaore, a man shall leave his father & mother & be 1 with his wife" - note the singular - the Faithful One wants the faithful to be..

er..

faithful

God bless all who truly love Jesus!

Ian
 
MrVersatile48 said:
Guys, the 10 Commandments pre-date David, Solomon, etc

"You shall NOT commit adultery"

"Therefaore, a man shall leave his father & mother & be 1 with his wife" - note the singular - the Faithful One wants the faithful to be..

er..

faithful

God bless all who truly love Jesus!

Ian
Amen Ian. That's been brought up before. It doesn't get much plainer or simpler than that.
 
wavy said:
Yahweh didn't find it wrong for men before, and not now. He doesn't change. Not recommended (not many people can handle it imo, nowadays), but certainly not "wrong".

God endured many transgressions from Israel, polygamy being one of them. God says something is a sin and when it happens here's how to clean up your act or otherwise handle it. (Mosiac Laws). The sin IS wrong but God's compassion and endurance concerning all of mankind is supreme.
 
Soma-Sight said:
wavy,

So is this a good excuse for checking out other women when you are already married?

Is it part of God's plan for you to "seek" other women?

No.
 
MrVersatile48 said:
Guys, the 10 Commandments pre-date David, Solomon, etc

"You shall NOT commit adultery"

"Therefaore, a man shall leave his father & mother & be 1 with his wife" - note the singular - the Faithful One wants the faithful to be..

er..

faithful

God bless all who truly love Jesus!

Ian

Bad excuse. You can become one with more than one wife. This would only make sense if some one proposed marrying many wives at one time.
 
PotLuck said:
God endured many transgressions from Israel, polygamy being one of them. God says something is a sin and when it happens here's how to clean up your act or otherwise handle it. (Mosiac Laws). The sin IS wrong but God's compassion and endurance concerning all of mankind is supreme.

Well, not saying you are wrong, but could you show me an example of when some one was reprimanded for having more than one wife?

Besides Solomon. His problem was the foreign gods they lead him to, not the number of wives.

***EDIT***

Never mind. His problem was the wives too because a king is only supposed to have one wife (Deuteronomy 17:17)
 
How many can you be one with?

MrVersatile48 said:
"You shall NOT commit adultery"
Yes, find a definition of Adultery in scripture that fits the notion that Adultery is a man having sexual relations with more than one woman at a time. (No, I'm not talking about threeways)
MrVersatile48 said:
" 'Therefaore, a man shall leave his father & mother & be 1 with his wife' - note the singular - the Faithful One wants the faithful to be.."
Being one with two wives is also possible. The fact is that Moses wrote this passage and uses the same word for "wife" as he does later for "wives" in the law. In this law of God as given to Moses (for that is it's proper title) the condition of having two wives is described, by God, written down by Moses. So since you can have two, since you ARE "one flesh" with your "Ishshah" (the Hebrew word for wife or wives) then it is necessarily true that you can be one with two at the same time. Thus the passage you quote only states that you are one with your "Ishshah" and says nothing whatsoever about the number of "Ishshah" you have.

Hugh McBryde
 
For those of you who actually accept this and go out of your way to try and prove its acceptance by God, is it also alright for woman to have more than one husband? If yes, why? If no, why?
 
For those who read the word.

Vic said:
"For those of you who actually accept this and go out of your way to try and prove its acceptance by God, is it also alright for woman to have more than one husband? If yes, why? If no, why?"
Women are in general, subject to men. This is stated by Paul when he outlines the order of Creation and says that originally, woman came out of man. Peter also makes this statment in 1st Peter 3:6,
the Apostle Peter said:
"Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement."
It is simply not possible to serve two masters. Furthermore there is no example of a woman in a Polyandry in scripture. The concept of Polyandry doesn't even exist scripturally. All those situations that would qualify as a Polyandry are described as sin and adultery and fornication and wickedness. Need I go on?

There are in fact many Polygynies described in scripture and even laws that would compell men to become Polygynists as a result of obeying those laws. The most prominent of them is what is known as "Levirate Law", the Law of God given to Moses in Deuteronomy that compelled men regardless of current marital state, to take their dead brother's wife to wife themselves, and raise up children for their brothers. Having used Polygyny as a tool to solve a problem in his law, God has endorsed the practice as legitimate, just as he once endorsed what we now call incest to propigate the race. The difference is what we now call incest has been put into sunset by God, no such event exists for Polygyny.

Hugh McBryde
 
Women are in general, subject to men. This is stated by Paul when he outlines the order of Creation and says that originally, woman came out of man. Peter also makes this statment in 1st Peter 3:6,

The age old question of whether the Bible has cultural significance in ALL cases?

Slavery, male chauvinism, racism.... etc...

Are these still valid?
 
Focus

Soma-Sight said:
"The age old question of whether the Bible has cultural significance in ALL cases?"
The comments of Peter and Paul are not "cultural". Unless you reject scripture as divinely inspired, both make it clear there is a fundamental underlying basis for this sort of order. Frankly if you reject scripture then it is easy for you to reject this reasoning and we really don't have anything to discuss in this arena. Perhaps you and I should have a one on one PM discussion about the veracity of what I know to be God's word.
Soma-Sight said:
"Slavery"
I have no problem with it.
Soma-Sight said:
"male chauvinism"
Miscasting social order dictated by God as Men's "Jealous assertive patriotism" is a fundamental error.
Soma-Sight said:
Never preached in scripture, and no, I'm not going to mar this discussion with attempts to red herring it into the territory of "if the Bible is racist or not". Again, that's an excellent topic, maybe you should start a thread on it or direct me to an existing one where we can both participate

Hugh McBryde
 
The comments of Peter and Paul are not "cultural". Unless you reject scripture as divinely inspired, both make it clear there is a fundamental underlying basis for this sort of order. Frankly if you reject scripture then it is easy for you to reject this reasoning and we really don't have anything to discuss in this arena. Perhaps you and I should have a one on one PM discussion about the veracity of what I know to be God's word.

Well you may have a point here....

So I guess these scriptures still apply presently since there is no "cultural significance" to ANY verse in the Bible?

27 " 'Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard.

[Does this still apply?]

5 Then the priest shall order that one of the birds be killed over fresh water in a clay pot. 6 He is then to take the live bird and dip it, together with the cedar wood, the scarlet yarn and the hyssop, into the blood of the bird that was killed over the fresh water. 7 Seven times he shall sprinkle the one to be cleansed of the infectious disease and pronounce him clean. Then he is to release the live bird in the open fields.
8 "The person to be cleansed must wash his clothes, shave off all his hair and bathe with water; then he will be ceremonially clean.


[Does this still apply for skin disorders?]

Joel 3:8 (New International Version)

8 I will sell your sons and daughters to the people of Judah, and they will sell them to the Sabeans, a nation far away." The LORD has spoken.

[Is this still Biblical?]

Solomon's Wives

1 King Solomon, however, loved many foreign women besides Pharaoh's daughterâ€â€Moabites, Ammonites, Edomites, Sidonians and Hittites.

[Got an orgy? It seems the Church nowadays would SCORN a rich man that had many, many beautiful wives....... In fact they waould call it SATANIC....

But you do not Hugh?


 
Soma, he's right when he says he does not want to derail the thread with unrelated posts. The topic is "Polygyny". By all means, go ahead and start a thread directed at Hugh asking questions, but please do it in the Apolgetics and Theology or Bible Study Forum.

Thanks bro,
Vic
 
I think I do have a point

Soma-Sight said:
"Well you may have a point here....

So I guess these scriptures still apply presently since there is no 'cultural significance' to ANY verse in the Bible?" Leviticus 19:27,
"Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard."
"Does this still apply?"
I would advise you not to take me as an amateur, or venture to areas that expose you as one. In the first case you know full well the refutation of your argument, in the second you know you're just guessing and hoping there is no refutation of yours. Deuteronomy 14:21,
"Ye shall not eat of any thing that dieth of itself: thou shalt give it unto the stranger that is in thy gates, that he may eat it; or thou mayest sell it unto an alien: for thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother's milk."
Clearly in this passage divisions of how the law applied are illustrated. The law applied to a King differently than it did to a Priest, a commoner yet another way and an alien in the land yet another. The law also applied in the land in ways it had no bearing outside the land as evidenced here. 2nd Kings 17:25-28,
"And so it was at the beginning of their dwelling there, that they feared not the LORD: therefore the LORD sent lions among them, which slew some of them. Wherefore they spake to the king of Assyria, saying, The nations which thou hast removed, and placed in the cities of Samaria, know not the manner of the God of the land: therefore he hath sent lions among them, and, behold, they slay them, because they know not the manner of the God of the land. Then the king of Assyria commanded, saying, Carry thither one of the priests whom ye brought from thence; and let them go and dwell there, and let him teach them the manner of the God of the land. Then one of the priests whom they had carried away from Samaria came and dwelt in Bethel, and taught them how they should fear the LORD."
A familiarity with the law would teach you that this is not a speculation, but that it is so.

Hugh McBryde
 
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