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elijah23
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If a whole lot of Christians believe something is true, does that make it true, or is it possible for a whole lot of Christians to be wrong about something?
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felix
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Absolutely!
Tyndale, Martin Luther etc are good examples I can think of w.r.t Christians prior to reformation.
westtexas
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What does this mean Felix?
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Aardverk
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There are 200 major Christian denominations each of whom believe different things. They can't all be right, can they?
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felix
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ivorhughjarse
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numbers have never been the qualification, Noah and his family were outnumbered by the whole world, yet by faith, Noah and his family survived
D4Christ
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Of course not! Look at how many Christians preach the trinty, (a docrtine penned 300 plus years after Christ), and tell new converts it is necessary for salvation and old converts they are heretics for no longer believing in it.
:Blessings,
Dee
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felix
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Of course not! Look at how many Christians preach the trinty, (a docrtine penned 300 plus years after Christ), and tell new converts it is necessary for salvation and old converts they are heretics for no longer believing in it.
Blessings,
Dee
- If someone does not believe in the Father, there is no reason to believe Jesus Christ because, it was the Father who promised to send His Son as in Isa 9:6.
- If someone does not believe the Son, Father will require of Him as in Deut 18:18 and that person is already condemned as in John 3:18.
- If someone does not believe the Holy Spirit, then He does not believe the Father as well because Holy Spirit comes from the Father as in Luke 11:13 and does not believe in the Son for it is the Son who baptizes with the Holy Spirit as in Matt 3:11.
D4Christ
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My intention is not to derail the thread on a discussion of the validity of the trinity. Feel free to pm me if you wish. But just to clarify, just like all demoninations are not the same, all non trinies are not the same either.
- I absolutely believe in the Father and that he begot a Son; who was with the Father in the beginning, thru whom the Father created the world we know and everything in it, who possessed the fullness of God and was called God by his own Father, who took a position of mediator and high priest, and called the Father his God and our God the only true God, and who revealed that that the Father is greater than he, and that all authority belongs not to the Son but will be returned to the Father.
- Those who don't believe what God says about his own Son are calling God a liar (1 John 5:10) The head of Christ is God. There is only one true God, the Father. The Son calls God, the Father.
- The Holy Spirit is a comforter, counselor and teacher. The HS is from the Father and was sent to earth in the Son's name.
I find it ironic that Trinity doctrine teaches the Son is co-equal to the Father and is the same as God when scriptures state the Son is not greater than the Father who is the Head.
Blessings,
Dee
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felix
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(Isa 9:6) For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
If you notice carefully, I never used the word Trinity. Did I? I don't often use words that don't exist in Scripture. I don't actually care what "Trinity" teaches... but I do care what "Scripture" teaches... and it teaches me that the "Name of the Son" is "Everlasting Father" and "Mighty God".
You quoted 1 John 5:20 and I am glad you did. But why didn't you quoted the rest of the verse? Was it contradicting to what you believe? Let me help you quote it for you fully:
1John 5:20 said:
EDIT: Never mind.. I will leave it for the sake of not hijacking this thread.
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thethinkingrebel
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numbers have never been the qualification, Noah and his family were outnumbered by the whole world, yet by faith, Noah and his family survived
Faith? Where does it say Faith? It says "Noah was a righteous man, perfect in his generations, Noah walked with God".
Noah was saved because God decided to save him, largely because his bloodline was pure. Not just because of Faith. You look at the scripture and you see a God about to annihilate the whole earth because of the fallen angels corrupting everything, this takes place over a couple hundred years before God rages, it then take decades to build the ark. This isn't Faith, this is God saying...do it.
Anyway to answer OP, yes it is possible, and is indeed the case, one example is:
Heaven and Hell.
We don't go to heaven and the unrighteous dont go to hell.
*[[Rev 21:1-3]] AKJV* And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
Hell...
*[[Rev 20:12-15]] AKJV* And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
D4Christ
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The Son's name is called..... Notice it doesn't say the Son is? A study of the name of the Son would reveal that it makes sense that the Son's name is called "phrases" that we know explicity reference the Father. After all does not the Son state that he comes in his Father's name and that he operates in the power of name the Father gave to him? If the Son does everything in the power of his Father's name, then the Son's name would also take on the attributes of the Father, ie...Mighty God, Everlasting Father. If the Son operated in his own name it is unlikely that his name would not be assoicated with the Father's name or the Father's power.
John 17
John 5
It is also interesting to note that "Counselor," which is someone who consults or advises, is also a synonym to the word "Advocate." And the Advocate is the Holy Spirit, who comes as a representative of Christ, sent by the Father in Christ's name.
So Christ's name is not only called by attributes of the Father, but by attributes of the Holy Spirit as well. In other words, contained in the name of the Son is the power of the Father's name, as well as that of the Holy Spirit. That is perhaps why we are told to baptize in the name, not names of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. The only name that qualifies is that of Jesus Christ. All other verses confirm this by stating that we should be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.
As far as 1 John 5:20 goes... if you are suggesting that the last sentence is stating that Jesus Christ is the True God, instead of pointing back to 'God' as mentioned in the passage, then perhaps someone on the board with a background in english, grammar and sentence structure would be more helpful to you than I in deciphering that sentence.
Or maybe you can reference John 17
Blessings,
Dee
P.S. Feel free to pm if you want to continue this discussion
Dee
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felix
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You didn't read John 1:1 and John 10:30.
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Tina
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JennyThatcher123
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With any luck the crowd is following Christ. that said point taken.