About the Caesars & US Presidents

[Elijah674]

This might be of interest in the theology site? It was penned by another on another site.
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[FONT=Verdana,arial]jadefox wrote:

Every US president has this power to have someone killed/assasinated if they deem it so.

It didn't start or end with President O.

To compare his actions with other historical hit lists, I recall Munich, the Spielberg movie where a team of assasins went after the masterminds that planned the 1973 Munich massacre of Jewish Olympian athletes, based on the actual incident.

They didn't purposely target any women or children though. Only the men responsible, behind the scenes for the terrorist actions of the hench men.

It is always an outrage when someone is killed as an assasination. When it is done as a national security measure, there is much more intelligence known to the president than we will ever be privy to, that he based his decision making power on.

Other presidents have done the same. We just don't hear about them because they keep it under wraps.

The power given to the president in this capacity is he can have anyone killed, with no holds barred.

I learned this in Constitutional Law class many years ago, way before there was a President O.

It is creepy, I know. How much it's been abused, is anyone's guess.

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How does Rom. 13 read?? This is ONLY the Second Commandment allowed by God for Caesar use, and the 7 day Sabbath of His [IS NOT INCLUDED.] It is the forth one of the FIRST Commandment. (see Matt. 22:35-40)

[35] Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,
[36] Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

[37] Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
[38] This is the first and great commandment.

[39] And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
[40] On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

--Elijah

 

[Elijah674]

When most all of the past history that Christ tells all of (Matt. 7's BROADWAY + Rev. 17:1-5 including daughters) living in the USA are seen as a stated fact by Christ, are united, then we will see these again CRYING 'We have no king but Caesar'! It is then that the End will apply & the end will be upon us. And united?? Surely there is only one thing that they are all united on, huh?

Who do you really LOVE will be the test? Life or death? As with Daniel's day. Just the two class are seen as Christ Documents...

Matt. 6:24 finds all united in the two groups, one with Christ & the other with every type of satanic doctrine which comes into mind & only one that they all agree to except... save this one! (we are learning some will claim right up to His dawning day) Still Christ DOCUMENTS THIS FACT! The final testing will be over which one does one love! Which is it???

Matt. 6
[24] No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

And this seems like a fitting test! (for all claims of love)

--Elijah

 

[Elijah674]

Lets say two Born Again (professed) are at war in Uncle Sam's army. On opposite sides.

And both have his governments orders to shoot to kill. OK, who is obeyed between Christ of Caesar?

--Elijah

 

[jasoncran]

Lets say two Born Again (professed) are at war in Uncle Sam's army. On opposite sides.

And both have his governments orders to shoot to kill. OK, who is obeyed between Christ of Caesar?

--Elijah

ok. if that is the case then I guess we shouldn't have had the civil war. as both sides did pray for victory.

 

[Elijah674]

[edited by staff] Again what day are we living in? (7/31/2003)

--Elijah

 

[WIP]

Maybe I misunderstand? Let's stay on topic and not make this personal, please. Thank you.

 

[Elijah674]

This is the point... When the last president says [because] of the Rev. 17:1-5 pressure put of him by this mass of people, the 666 thing will be put in force! (will he be a republican President?)

And the reason that he will do this is that they all will do anything to get out of the Trouble they are all in. Matt. 24:21 except repent. And all of these lost ones are exactly as THE HOLY SPIRIT had John prophesy that they are! Notice the daughters.

OK: What do all of these ones have in common! (Sunday is sacred) Yet they all are seen with no unity, except for this one point. This is the testing to see if one truly LOVES THEIR MAKER!

Matt. 6:24 Christ's documents this fact...

[24] No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

So this is the last test to be applied to see who loves Christ or who does not! Surely James 2:8-12 is understood? By breaking one of the ten commandments ALL ARE BROKEN!

So the last USA president (as the beast 'Government' leader) will find all of these ones giving his authority ABOVE CHRIST. Based on Rom. 13

--Elijah

 

[reba]

Any one know anyone who obeys the this law completely?

Exo_20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

Deu_5:14 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.


Do we use the convinces of 'today' because we don't see , with our eyes, the Sabbath day labour we cause others?

 

[Elijah674]

Any one know anyone who obeys the this law completely?

Exo_20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

Deu_5:14 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.


Do we use the convinces of 'today' because we don't see , with our eyes, the Sabbath day labour we cause others?

This is a LAST day Truth! (got that?)

This is a LOVING (proof) that one will not bow down to worship as Christ stated in Matt. 6:24 (only two FREE choices)

And about anyone honoring God with OBEDIENCE?? We do have the commandment. in 1 John 2:4-7 John has it laid out for us!
1 John 2 has it said this way...

[3] And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
(meaning to be kept back from presumptuous sins)

[4] Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
[5] And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.

[6] Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. (compare Rom. 8:14 with verse 14)
[7] Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

[8] He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
[9] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
[10] In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

[11] [[For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning,]] that we should love one another.

And lets just give another of Johns Inspired facts as seen in 1 John 5:16 & 17
[16] If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There [[is a sin unto death:]] I do not say that he shall pray for it.

[17] All unrighteousness is sin: and [[there is a sin not unto death]].

[18] We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

--Elijah

 

[Elijah674]

To understand Rom. 13 one must know of the two Tables of Stone & how Christ understands them.

Matt. 22
[35] Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,
[36] Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

[37] Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
[38] This is the first and great commandment.

[39] And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
[40] On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. (all the prophets AGREE! and there are 66 Books to all agree with!)

Now for Romans 13, for who Christ left in charge of [only] His second table of stone!

[1] Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
[2] Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
[3] For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
[4] For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
[5] Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.
[6] For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.
[7] Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.
[8] Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
[9] For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

OK: Got that??? This SECOND COMMANDMENT will be used against the real commandment keepers who LOVE Christ before the day is closed! (666)

There is nothing IN that which is of the FIRST DUTY to the Lord!

And about the FIRST Commandment?? Lets see what GOD says about that one...
Dan. 3
[5] That at what time ye hear the sound of the cornet, flute, harp, sackbut, psaltery, dulcimer, and all kinds of musick, ye fall down and worship the golden image that Nebuchadnezzar the king hath set up:
[6] And whoso falleth not down and worshippeth shall the same hour be cast into the midst of a burning fiery furnace.
[7] Therefore at that time, when all the people heard the sound of the cornet, flute, harp, sackbut, psaltery, and all kinds of musick, all the people, the nations, and the languages, fell down and worshipped the golden image that Nebuchadnezzar the king had set up.
[8] Wherefore at that time certain Chaldeans came near, and accused the Jews.
[9] They spake and said to the king Nebuchadnezzar, O king, live for ever.
[10] Thou, O king, hast made a decree, that every man that shall hear the sound of the cornet, flute, harp, sackbut, psaltery, and dulcimer, and all kinds of musick, shall fall down and worship the golden image:
[11] And whoso falleth not down and worshippeth, that he should be cast into the midst of a burning fiery furnace.
[12] There are certain Jews whom thou hast set over the affairs of the province of Babylon, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-nego; these men, O king, have not regarded thee: they serve not thy gods, nor worship the golden image which thou hast set up.
[13] Then Nebuchadnezzar in his rage and fury commanded to bring Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-nego. Then they brought these men before the king.
[14] Nebuchadnezzar spake and said unto them, Is it true, O Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-nego, do not ye serve my gods, nor worship the golden image which I have set up?
[15] Now if ye be ready that at what time ye hear the sound of the cornet, flute, harp, sackbut, psaltery, and dulcimer, and all kinds of musick, ye fall down and worship the image which I have made; well: but if ye worship not, ye shall be cast the same hour into the midst of a burning fiery furnace; and who is that God that shall deliver you out of my hands?
[16] Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-nego, answered and said to the king, O Nebuchadnezzar, we are not careful to answer thee in this matter.
[17] If it be so, our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the burning fiery furnace, and he will deliver us out of thine hand, O king.
[18] But if not, be it known unto thee, O king, that we will not serve thy gods, nor worship the golden image which thou hast set up.

And here we see the KING never replaces CHRIST from the O.T.! But let try it in the new Testament with the ones who escaped Old Israel? (the Start up of the Acts EXTENSION)

Enter Acts 5's new church...

[27] And when they had brought them, they set them before the council: and the high priest asked them,
[28] Saying, Did not we straitly command you that ye should not teach in this name? and, behold, ye have filled Jerusalem with your doctrine, and intend to bring this man's blood upon us.
[29] Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

And of course it took Caesar to give them power to put to death anyone! [Church + Caesar's Lordship!]

--Elijah