According to conventional Christians...

[gingercat]

You are loving;

(1) if you know how to be superficially friendly

(2) as long as you don't talk about obedience.

(3) as long as you don't talk about controversial topics.

(4) if you don't say anything that will make anyone feel guilty, offended or uncomfortable.

(5) if you can talk softly.

 

[Novum]

You are loving;

(1) if you know how to be superficially friendly

(2) as long as you don't talk about obedience.

(3) as long as you don't talk about controversial topics.

(4) if you don't say anything that will make anyone feel guilty, offended or uncomfortable.

(5) if you can talk softly.

I can't see what any of these, with the possible exception of (4), have to do with "loving".

What is a "conventional christian", and What is your evidence to support your claim that "conventional christians" believe these statements?

 

[gingercat]

What is a "conventional christian", and What is your evidence to support your claim that "conventional christians" believe these statements?

Novum,

Thank you for your inquiry.

I have watched over 33years of churchgoers and attended, involved with some of major denominations for several years. My threads are based on my experiences and observation of those years.

 

[Novum]

What is a "conventional christian", and What is your evidence to support your claim that "conventional christians" believe these statements?

Novum,

Thank you for your inquiry.

I have watched over 33years of churchgoers and attended, involved with some of major denominations for several years. My threads are based on my experiences and observation of those years.

Glad to hear it, however, you've still not defined for us what a "conventional christian" is, or what reason there is to believe that your statements are true of all "conventional christians".

 

[gingercat]

Glad to hear it, however, you've still not defined for us what a "conventional christian" is, or what reason there is to believe that your statements are true of all "conventional christians".

OK, I rephrase it to most of the conventional christians. It is just my observation. You just have to take it or leave it. I have to answer to God if I am spreading lies or exaggerating, you know?

 

[Novum]

Glad to hear it, however, you've still not defined for us what a "conventional christian" is, or what reason there is to believe that your statements are true of all "conventional christians".

OK, I rephrase it to most of the conventional christians. It is just my observation. You just have to take it or leave it. I have to answer to God if I am spreading lies or exaggerating, you know?

Certainly. However, you still have yet to define, for this forum, what you mean by "conventional christian".

 

[gingercat]

what you mean by "conventional christian".

OK, Novum, this is my last reponse about this. Please dont bother me with the same question over and over.

Billy Graham often mentions that most churchgoers are not committed Christians. Those uncomitted Christians I am talking about.

I know you are just testing my language ability. Please be more kind. I am not eloquent writer as you are expecting me to be. Sorry I cannot help you. I am doing the best with what I've got.

 

[Novum]

what you mean by "conventional christian".

OK, Novum, this is my last reponse about this. Please dont bother me with the same question over and over.

Billy Graham often mentions that most churchgoers are not committed Christians. Those uncomitted Christians I am talking about.

I know you are just testing my language ability. Please be more kind. I am not eloquent writer as you are expecting me to be. Sorry I cannot help you. I am doing the best with what I've got.

I don't mean to seem as if I'm just "testing your language ability", nor do I mean to seem as if I'm just repeating the same thing. The fact of the matter is that you presented this forum with a specific claim, but you did not explain what you meant by one of your terms. It is therefore impossible to make any sense of your post until we know what you mean.

It took me three times (and three dodges on your part), but we finally have an answer: "conventional christians" are, according to Billy Graham, "most churchgoers". Well, there's a helpful definition. :roll:

 

[Johny]

If any Churchgoer takes up time to post on a Christian forum, debate on various topics and more importantly unite with other Christians, are they not real Chritians?

You have taken Billy Graham's words and given them a false meaning. He was talking about those who go to Church because there family makes them or who don't really care about God. They're just in Church because they were brought up to, not because they want to be with other Christians praising God.

 

[gingercat]

we finally have an answer: "conventional christians" are, according to Billy Graham, "most churchgoers". Well, there's a helpful definition. :roll:

When I use the term "most chruchgoers" I get many kind of accusations. That's why I changed to "conventional Christians".

There is always something to complaning about if you don't like the thread. :roll:

 

[gingercat]

we finally have an answer: "conventional christians" are, according to Billy Graham, "most churchgoers". Well, there's a helpful definition. :roll:

When I use the term "most chruchgoers" I get many kind of accusations. That's why I changed to "conventional Christians".

There is always something to complaning about if you don't like the thread. :roll:

 

[Novum]

we finally have an answer: "conventional christians" are, according to Billy Graham, "most churchgoers". Well, there's a helpful definition. :roll:

When I use the term "most chruchgoers" I get many kind of accusations. That's why I changed to "conventional Christians".

There is always something to complaning about if you don't like the thread. :roll:

That's not the problem. The problem is that you are making sweeping, broad generalizations and claims about the majority of Christians without, quite frankly, a shred of evidence to support your claims.

What you're doing is no better than me saying something unfounded like "most white people are stupid". Either back up your claims or stop making them.

 

[gingercat]

we finally have an answer: "conventional christians" are, according to Billy Graham, "most churchgoers". Well, there's a helpful definition. :roll:

When I use the term "most chruchgoers" I get many kind of accusations. That's why I changed to "conventional Christians".

There is always something to complaning about if you don't like the thread. :roll:

That's not the problem. The problem is that you are making sweeping, broad generalizations and claims about the majority of Christians without, quite frankly, a shred of evidence to support your claims.

What you're doing is no better than me saying something unfounded like "most white people are stupid". Either back up your claims or stop making them.

Like I have been syaing they are my convictions and if I am lying or exagerating I will be in deep trouble with the Lord. Please don't try rabbit trail fight with me. I have had enough of this. Is it ok with you? If you continually going on with my ability or quality of my threads I will not respond with you any more. It seems that you are trying to make me look like an idiot. that's just fine if you think I am not such good protestor. I will not engage in this kind of game with you anymore. You are way off the topic. All you are doing is attacking my skill.

I admit I am not a good protester, but I am doing my best and noone will not going to stop me from speaking up for the Lord. perios!!!!!

You sound like hired by some churches. :roll:

 

[Nocturnal_Principal_X]

Like I have been syaing they are my convictions and if I am lying or exagerating I will be in deep trouble with the Lord. Please don't try rabbit trail fight with me. I have had enough of this. Is it ok with you? If you continually going on with my ability or quality of my threads I will not respond with you any more. It seems that you are trying to make me look like an idiot. that's just fine if you think I am not such good protestor. I will not engage in this kind of game with you anymore. You are way off the topic. All you are doing is attacking my skill.

I admit I am not a good protester, but I am doing my best and noone will not going to stop me from speaking up for the Lord. perios!!!!!

You sound like hired by some churches. :roll:

Gingercat,

I admire your perseverance and boldness. You truly are an individual who love Jesus Christ. I do, however; have some questions for you:

Why do you get so defensive when people challenge you with questions? Is it because you believe they are sinning against you or because you believe they are sinning against God?

Now would you please address Novum’s legitimate questions? The fact remains you do make broad sweeping generalizations and provide no information to back up your claims. I understand you have had various experiences but frankly such experience does not prove anything. Let me give you an example:

Let’s say I was to conduct a study on 100 random people over a period of 33 years in Georgia. In this study I ask them what they think of cherries. Now at the end of the study, after doing a statistical analysis I find that the common response was: “Cherries are gross†Now based on that information I conclude that “Most people believe cherries are gross†or “The common person thinks cherries are gross.†Now is such a conclusion correct?

 

[gingercat]

Why do you get so defensive when people challenge you with questions?

Noc,

I already explained why I don't respond to the same kind of questions over and over. You are doing the same thing again.

I already gave you my answers and you just don't like what you got. when you don't like the answer you got you keep harping on me. That is harrasment.

I give you an example; you told me not to use the term "most christians", and I disagreed, you kept on harping endlessly in the board. This is harrasment. why should I follow your standard of quality or skill how I express my opinions, convictions and protest?

I beg you to drop the same harrasment for cryin out loud.

 

[Nocturnal_Principal_X]

Gingercat,
The reason I or anyone else asks the same questions over and over again is because you don’t answer the questions. In any event I see that you are not interested in discussing, or learning anything. Perhaps people will be more open to your rhetoric if you would answer questions instead of dodging them. Believe it or not I respect you gingercat and for that reason I will say no more, not because I agree with you but because I understand the futility of it.

To everyone else,
For those who read my example (The “cherry studyâ€Â), and for there benefit the answer is no. To conclude “Most people think cherries are gross†or “The common person thinks cherries are gross†is incorrect. The reason such a notion is incorrect is because the sample size is far too small and does not represent the whole.

 

[Novum]

I think it is fairly clear now that gingercat has no evidence to back up his claims.

Those who try to press him for details, trying to find some reason to believe what he's saying, are "harping on him" or guilty of "abuse" or "harassment". It is a convenient escape mechanism for gingercat, but, dear thread lurker, do not accept his claims at face value until he provides support for them.

 

[gingercat]

Perhaps people will be more open to your rhetoric if you would answer questions instead of dodging them.

I dont believe people who are here really want to learn from anything or anyone. Of course they will deny it. Most of us here are insisting on our interpretations and argue about the Bible.

And as long as you are arguing about the Scririctures, no matter how silly it is going around in circles, it is ok by your standard. but when it comes to the fruit of Christianity they become very hostile; it is so sad. That's how satan is having a field day in this country.

The real problems are always pushed aside and hidden under rugs.

I am just here to express my convictions hoping to reach someone (especially lurkers). If people are seeking the truth and if I am speaking the truth, it will get to them. I am not interested in people just here to argue and win the arguments and kick me out.

Thank you.

 

[Nocturnal_Principal_X]

I see now this topic is not going to go anywhere. It is obvious, gingercat, you are only interested in pushing your rhetoric. Though you make some valid points you make it clear that anyone challenges you and asks you for proof you simple ignore them and go on pushing your rhetoric.

Do churches in America need a wake up call? Do many churches in America fail at preaching the gospel? Are many Americans churches overrun with liberal and unbiblical theology?

The answer to all those questions is YES.

This topic is now locked.

 

[Vic C.]

I am just here to express my convictions hoping to reach someone (especially lurkers). If people are seeking the truth and if I am speaking the truth, it will get to them. I am not interested in people just here to argue and win the arguments and kick me out.

The problem here is you disregard those who also believe they are speaking the Truth and do nothing to seek yourself. You failed to answer the question posed to you, but kept on posting. If language barriers are the problem, state so right away or politely bow out of the thread.

OK, Novum, this is my last reponse about this. Please dont bother me with the same question over and over.

So why did you post several times after making this statement? I thought Novum's (Cosmo, yeah, I know it's you) question was valid. I had asked some here a while ago to define mainstream Christianity... never did get a valid answer, so I know how frustrating it can be, to ask but not receive.

Noc,

I already explained why I don't respond to the same kind of questions over and over. You are doing the same thing again.

I already gave you my answers and you just don't like what you got. when you don't like the answer you got you keep harping on me. That is harrasment.

No it's not. NPX did absolutely nothing to harass you. He didn't like what he got (your assumption) because there was no substance to your "answer".

Please follow the plain and simple rules of conduct when responding to fellow members here. Continue this line of responding and you and CF.net will have to part ways.

Vic

*LOCKED*

Please PM myself or NPX if anyone cares to continue this "discussion". As far as I"m concerned, this is fruitless and causes division among members... and the Body.