Acts 12:4 The KJV translates Easter

[handy]

Elija674, when you copy and paste from other sites, you should really tell who your source is.

Yep! It's actually one of the rules of engagement around here!

Check out the TofS #9!

 

[handy]

Prince, interesting links!

I read this:

The like we are to think of Translations.The translation of the Seventy dissenteth from the Original in many places, neither doth it come near it, for perspicuity, gravity,majesty; yet which of the Apostles did condemn it? Condemn it?



Nay,they used it, (as it is apparent, and as Saint Jerome and most learned men do confess) which they would not have done, nor bytheir example of using it, so grace and commend it to the Church,if it had been unworthy of the appellation and name of the word of God.
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Do you (or anyone else) know who the "Seventy" are and what translation is being referred to?

 

[sdktlk]

Prince, interesting links!

I read this:Do you (or anyone else) know who the "Seventy" are and what translation is being referred to?

"And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name." (Luk 10:17) This is the only seventy I'm aware of.

 

[sdktlk]

If I may ... There are no "perfect" translations. There are some good translations and there are some terrible translations.

However, as we are in a time as never before upon the face of the earth, and have available to us a vast array of tools, along with Hebrew and Greek texts. Therefore, we have the ability to see every word written and in what order they are written. We can look up the definition of every word and determine if what the translators have said is in fact what the Word says.

I say that to say what a glorious time we live in, as children of God we have the honor to truly search the Scriptures to see if what is being said is in fact the very Word of God.

For it is written, "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honor of kings is to search out a matter." (Pro 25:2) Has not the Lord Jesus made us, "...kings and priests unto God and His Father; to Him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen." (Rev 1:6) Peace, in Christ Jesus.

 

[theLords]

Please respect each other. No ad hominem attacks allowed. Respond to the issue not the person.

 

[handy]

If I may ... There are no "perfect" translations. There are some good translations and there are some terrible translations.

However, as we are in a time as never before upon the face of the earth, and have available to us a vast array of tools, along with Hebrew and Greek texts. Therefore, we have the ability to see every word written and in what order they are written. We can look up the definition of every word and determine if what the translators have said is in fact what the Word says.

I say that to say what a glorious time we live in, as children of God we have the honor to truly search the Scriptures to see if what is being said is in fact the very Word of God.

For it is written, "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honor of kings is to search out a matter." (Pro 25:2) Has not the Lord Jesus made us, "...kings and priests unto God and His Father; to Him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen." (Rev 1:6) Peace, in Christ Jesus.

 

[AKJVReader]

If I may ... There are no "perfect" translations. There are some good translations and there are some terrible translations.
However, as we are in a time as never before upon the face of the earth, and have available to us a vast array of tools, along with Hebrew and Greek texts. Therefore, we have the ability to see every word written and in what order they are written. We can look up the definition of every word and determine if what the translators have said is in fact what the Word says.

What do you think is the best translation in English?

This next verse is usually applied to King James of England:

[FONT=arial,helvatica]"Where the word of a king is, there is power: and who may say unto him, What doest thou?" (Ecclesiasted 8:4)[/FONT]

 

[Theofilus]

What do you think is the best translation in English?

I once head it said that the best translation is the one you read. It's no good having a "perfect" translation, if it's in a language you don't understand and, therefore, don't read.

 

[Elijah674]

OK, back to Acts 12:1-5 & Easter. Plain talk & in verse 3 my K.J. Protestant Bible has it this way.. (Then were the days of unleavened bread) compilers marks. Here is what 'i' see Christ/God's Word saying:

Nothing new! Eccl. 1:9-10 + Eccl. 3:15, & 'doubled up for a fact. Gen. 41:32. What has happened is again taking place, and what is taking place has already taken place. (unless God took the very few times that His requirement was reversed such as Hosea 4:6 + the world flood with the rain/bow + a few more times that were not about salvation issues)

I put 'THINK' in caps. Nothing personal meant, but for the purpose of one not being one who God is speaking to in 'parables', if it might help? (read Mark 4:10-11)
In other Words, can you believe God with the three above Truths?? Lets check this Easter thing by the Lord's Word alone. But first, the history behind us & the history before us God said what?? There IS NOTHING NEW. Those are His Inspired Words. So lets test them some!

We have the K.J. with an O.T. & a N.T. as man states. (two times) We see Isa. 5 with one True Virgin Fold. Christ says that is His Vineyard.. HOUSE. ibid. 7. No more, just one. We see in Rev. 3, 7 Virgin Folds (Church Candlestick's in doctrines only, got that? If not, again read Psalm's 77:13 for where Christ God IS to be found)

Next? Both 'repeats' are depicted in Matt. 25 with a Midnight CRY. (not a Loud cry as 70 AD in this posting yet) What this means is that Christ's CALL is done from the outside... GO YE OUT TO MEET HIM! We saw Christ rejected by His ex/house in Isa. 5 verse 3! (Judge BETWIXT ME & My Vineyard/house) And Matt. 23:38 documents what His ex/House did become. Rev. 3:9 had satan take over & both times & they became killers, yet, the Virgin doctrines were, & are not, the problem.

Now: Which ones were keeping the 'feast days' of the supplied 'w'ord of Easter? And a Midnight Cry? We are told that before Christ comes again, we will see a great falling away.(2 Thess. 2:1-3) And what greater Midnight Cry could we 'see' than that the Door of their Probation WAS CLOSED when Christ was rejected? (Matt. 25:10) Repeated twice at least Christ Word says)

More proof has this Matt. 25 [parable] explained to His [OWN] in Matt. 10:5-6 on -> The disciples were sent to the [lost sheep of the House of Israel first]! (see 1 Peter 4:17's documentation) & if they did not hear the Matt. 25:10 Midnight Cry message, then the door closed for the fold's probation. (as a church/house for God) Even note verse 15 to see who would be judged by far the worse between S. & G. & these ones! (see Luke 12:47-48)
But, again we are to see the history repeated God says. Ask yourself this [extremely] important question... who stayed put & who followed Christ out in Acts to start up His extended Church/Fold? AND.. who were these 'remnant' few from Matt. 10:5-6 + of old Israel who were the ones with Christ's pure virgin doctrines that left the 'fallen HOUSE of Christ's Vineyard' and started up the extended one? Matt. 10 only has the first time answer & Rev. 12:17 has the end time answer!

Now: Lets check Old Israel with Christ Words alone (and the repeat? see Heb. 6:6) as in John 10:16 with His having other True Sheep, but not of this True Virgin Folds 'Doctrines'. He documents this Truth. Both times! See Rev. 18:4 for both histories being a Partaker of a false folds sins. And why would Christ require that they must leave if He were in these fallen folds?? And the Eccl.'s repeat? You best accept that the Rev. 17:1-5 bunch are what is documented of them this second time around, and inside of these ones there are still only a 'few' who will heed Christ's warning of that Midnight REPEATED CRY. But you answer the question, He is not there He documents, so who is???

OK: Easter. The Word should be 'feast days'. You miss the point entirely by using the arm of flesh stuff. (Jer. 17:5) You find out who were keeping this feast day that even had these ones having to wait for its passing before the Jews would want Peter released for execution? Most false folds even correctly void out feast day's fully, yet go right back into Moses law of bondage where Paul documents that Christ's Sacrifice is made of NO effect by such doings! Gal. 1:6-9 chapter 4:9, Col. 2:14.

And now what?? Christ told us (me!) what to expect in Matt. 10:25 from the ones who would not accept His Midnight Cry Truth to old Israel + extended Israel, and verse 25 surely sorts both histories out + the ones posting even today, huh?
'It is enough for the disciple that he be as his Lord, if they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much [more] shall they call them of [His Household?];)

--Elijah

 

[sdktlk]

What do you think is the best translation in English?

This next verse is usually applied to King James of England:

[FONT=arial,helvatica]"Where the word of a king is, there is power: and who may say unto him, What doest thou?" (Ecclesiasted 8:4)[/FONT]

The Lord used a KJV to draw me unto Himself. That is not to say it is the "best," it was just what was at hand when He saved me.

The thing that is needful I believe is to read a Bible that has no commentary, references, or anything that leads me down the thought pattern of someone else.

We need to be as Mary: “[FONT=Georgia, serif]Now it came to pass, as they went, that He entered into a certain village: and a certain woman named Martha received Him into her house. [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]And she had a sister called Mary, which also sat at Jesus' feet, and heard His word. [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]But Martha was cumbered about much serving, and came to Him, and said, Lord, dost thou not care that my sister hath left me to serve alone? bid her therefore that she help me. [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]And Jesus answered and said unto her, [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]Martha, Martha, thou art careful and troubled about many things:[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]but one thing is needful: and Mary hath chosen that good part, which shall not be taken away from her[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif].†(Luk 10:38-42)

If we have preconceived ideas, or allow ourselves to be influenced by outside forces before we are grounded in the Word we do ourselves a disservice.

The King is representative of whomever is in charge, from the lowest boss to the highest authority. It is God who puts those ones in charge at whatever level and we should, "...honor the king..." (1Pet 2:17)
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[Pizzaguy]

The thing that is needful I believe is to read a Bible that has no commentary, references, or anything that leads me down the thought pattern of someone else.[FONT=Georgia, serif]

If we have preconceived ideas, or allow ourselves to be influenced by outside forces before we are grounded in the Word we do ourselves a disservice.

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I have always thought this - God, and God's word, does NOT need "help". READ YOUR BIBLE YOURSELF and pray both before and after.

 

[Theofilus]

The thing that is needful I believe is to read a Bible that has no commentary, references, or anything that leads me down the thought pattern of someone else.

The problem is, that you can't really avoid it. If you're like most Christians, you listen to your pastor and are influenced by his views and his interpretation that you hear in his sermons. Also, many words can be translated in a number of ways. Sometimes the correct translation is obvious from the context, but when there is more than one possiblity, the translators theology will affect how he translates a certain passage. Unless you read the original languages and don't listen to any preachers, then you can't avoid being influenced by the opinions of others.

 

[cyberjosh]

I still don't see how anyone can treat the word pascha (a loan word derived from the Hebrew pesach) as anything other than the Passover.

What's odd about that is that we celebrate "Easter" today as the day when Christ rose, whereas if it is indeed refering to Passover then it is the day when Christ died. Has anyone considered this?

 

[Elijah674]

I still don't see how anyone can treat the word pascha (a loan word derived from the Hebrew pesach) as anything other than the Passover.

What's odd about that is that we celebrate "Easter" today as the day when Christ rose, whereas if it is indeed refering to Passover then it is the day when Christ died. Has anyone considered this?

You best watch your step with that one!;) But where do we see any from the Acts church celbrating any feast days?
--Elijah