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Adam’s Fall – Did God make a mistake?

If Adam had been able to take it all back; would he? Having realized his terrible mistake—the loss of all he had been given; especially the beautiful Garden of Eden—how happy would he have been just to have it all back. Then again, what if he had not sinned in the first place?

Without Adam’s colossal mistake, what would have happened to the human race—to you and me? What would have been the opportunities afforded to us? Would it have been possible for us to live on forever? Is that what we had lost when he sinned? Was everlasting life an inherent gift that was given to us, but was squandered by the father of all nations? If only God had made a more perfect Adam; wouldn’t we have been better off. Or, is this a question we should even be asking ourselves?

What does the example of the angels tell us. Does it help us in any way to better understand what was really likely to happen. Take the angels and their rebellious conflict which resulted in a full third of them being banished from the kingdom of Heaven. According to the Bible, they were living a beautiful existence until Lucifer—that notorious archangel—persuaded many in their ranks into turning against God—their creator. Was this just another mistake by a jealous personality. Does this seem similar to what had eventually happened to Adam?

How does this conflict, downfall, and this final resolution of the angel’s existence—an event related to a different set of beings—relevant to us? Why did God make reference to this in his revelations to the prophets?

In plain and simple language, was it his destiny, and hardly anything Adam could have done to avert this precipitous downfall?

Answering the question of Adam’s failing seems only to generate its own relatable questions. Like; was God unaware that Adam was going to sin? This is the Hebrew God we are talking about; who happens to know all things, can do all things, and is the creator of the universe we live in. Did he not foresee Adam’s impending downfall? If God did; did he permit it? Or, if there was no way possible for him to have known this was going to happen, how can he then claim omnipotence?

Other—seemingly almost unavoidable—questions comes into view. For example; was God sad that he had created Adam? And if he was, should we still be viewing him as genuinely omnipotent? Shouldn’t God know he was going to be sad? And if he knew; why did he not make the necessary modifications to the prototype Adam, so he could have avoided the failure he was destined to become. Or, were there other choices that Adam could have made—choices more consistent with what God may have actually wanted? How does the free-will concept tries to explain all of this?

What is free-will? And why is it so important to us?

Grasping the free-will concept is of paramount significance if we are to truly understand our Creator and our own intrinsic behavior. Demanding its own time and space, we will delve into this subject matter in the coming weeks.

Believing and trusting in a divine Creator requires that he must be logically plausible, consistent, proven or observably all powerful, and provide sufficient evidence of his existence—that he is somewhere out there. There should be reasonable explanations for all things he does, without the need for, or the help of a theodicy.

All these many little questions we’ve asked, leads to one. Was the creation of Adam flawed? If it was; who made the mistake? Was it Adam or the Creator, himself? These are the questions atheists, agnostics, Christian believers, and many others are all asking without the answers they seek.

Let’s examine them one at a time and see what we’ll find.

If Adam had been able to take it all back; would he?
The biblical account suggests that he would have. He was repentant and mourned his loss of paradise.

Without Adam’s mistake; what would have happened to the human race—to you and me?
All things created; God meant them to be. He is omnipotent—perfect in all his ways. To view him as mistaken is purely from the human perspective—as is too often done in many Christendom interpretations—resulting in many erroneous contradictions. Only after he had lost what he had, did Adam come to truly appreciate what he may have been taking for granted. But now he had proof of a perfect life—an existence he’d had—that was genuinely worth fighting to regain. And not just for him; but for all his descendants. Adam was meant to first experience the beautiful state of existence he possessed while he was in the Garden of Eden, so he and his descendants would always know what they would be fighting for. They would be required to earn it, and later God would send us the Christ to reawaken and reinforce his great promise. Without Adam’s failure, some other challenging parameter would have been required for us to prove ourselves as deserving of the eternal life promise.
Next time, we will answer the outstanding questions, and conclude the discussion on this topic.

~The Gift of God is Eternal Life~​
 
If Adam had been able to take it all back; would he? Having realized his terrible mistake—the loss of all he had been given; especially the beautiful Garden of Eden—how happy would he have been just to have it all back. Then again, what if he had not sinned in the first place?

Without Adam’s colossal mistake, what would have happened to the human race—to you and me? What would have been the opportunities afforded to us? Would it have been possible for us to live on forever? Is that what we had lost when he sinned? Was everlasting life an inherent gift that was given to us, but was squandered by the father of all nations? If only God had made a more perfect Adam; wouldn’t we have been better off. Or, is this a question we should even be asking ourselves?

What does the example of the angels tell us. Does it help us in any way to better understand what was really likely to happen. Take the angels and their rebellious conflict which resulted in a full third of them being banished from the kingdom of Heaven. According to the Bible, they were living a beautiful existence until Lucifer—that notorious archangel—persuaded many in their ranks into turning against God—their creator. Was this just another mistake by a jealous personality. Does this seem similar to what had eventually happened to Adam?

How does this conflict, downfall, and this final resolution of the angel’s existence—an event related to a different set of beings—relevant to us? Why did God make reference to this in his revelations to the prophets?

In plain and simple language, was it his destiny, and hardly anything Adam could have done to avert this precipitous downfall?

Answering the question of Adam’s failing seems only to generate its own relatable questions. Like; was God unaware that Adam was going to sin? This is the Hebrew God we are talking about; who happens to know all things, can do all things, and is the creator of the universe we live in. Did he not foresee Adam’s impending downfall? If God did; did he permit it? Or, if there was no way possible for him to have known this was going to happen, how can he then claim omnipotence?

Other—seemingly almost unavoidable—questions comes into view. For example; was God said that he had created Adam? And if he was, should we still be viewing him as genuinely omnipotent? Shouldn’t God know he was going to be sad? And if he knew; why did he not make the necessary modifications to the prototype Adam, so he could have avoided the failure he was destined to become. Or, were there other choices that Adam could have made—choices more consistent with what God may have actually wanted? How does the free-will concept tries to explain all of this?

What is free-will? And why is it so important to us?

Grasping the free-will concept is of paramount significance if we are to truly understand our Creator and our own intrinsic behavior. Demanding its own time and space, we will delve into this subject matter in the coming weeks.

Believing and trusting in a divine Creator requires that he must be logically plausible, consistent, proven or observably all powerful, and provide sufficient evidence of his existence—that he is somewhere out there. There should be reasonable explanations for all things he does, without the need for, or the help of a theodicy.

All these many little questions we’ve asked, leads to one. Was the creation of Adam flawed? If it was; who made the mistake? Was it Adam or the Creator, himself? These are the questions atheists, agnostics, Christian believers, and many others are all asking without the answers they seek.

Let’s examine them one at a time and see what we’ll find.

If Adam had been able to take it all back; would he?
The biblical account suggests that he would have. He was repentant and mourned his loss of paradise.

Without Adam’s mistake; what would have happened to the human race—to you and me?
All things created; God meant them to be. He is omnipotent—perfect in all his ways. To view him as mistaken is purely from the human perspective—as is too often done in many Christendom interpretations—resulting in many erroneous contradictions. Only after he had lost what he had, did Adam come to truly appreciate what he may have been taking for granted. But now he had proof of a perfect life—an existence he’d had—that was genuinely worth fighting to regain. And not just for him; but for all his descendants. Adam was meant to first experience the beautiful state of existence he possessed while he was in the Garden of Eden, so he and his descendants would always know what they would be fighting for. They would be required to earn it, and later God would send us the Christ to reawaken and reinforce his great promise. Without Adam’s failure, some other challenging parameter would have been required for us to prove ourselves as deserving of the eternal life promise.
Next time, we will answer the outstanding questions, and conclude the discussion on this topic.


~The Gift of God is Eternal Life~​

I am thinking that no question was meant to be touched on by us??:chin Yet, your post did say...
'If only God had made a more perfect Adam; wouldn’t we have been better off. Or, is this a question we should even be asking ourselves?'

So I will only say this as 'i' see it!;) As was the case with Luciffer being created perfect, so were both Adam & Eve. The thing was & is, is that neither were perfectly created Mature. This God could not do 'that' for them without they all being just brainless robots. He required Loving Mature OBEDIENCE as I see it.

And mankind even now have the Power given as seen in Phil. 4:13 + 2 Cor. 12:9 to freely mature correctly if they will. Even with this given provision, we find more not doing so than will at last be found saved.:sad Matt. 7's broadway & the straight & narrow pathway. (by freedom of choice)

--Elijah
 
Adam’s Fall – Did God make a mistake?

Heavens No ! It was God's Purpose for Adam to sin and bring into the World sin and Death. This World was Created by God for the specific Purpose of Christ coming into it to die for the sins of God's Elect ! He was ordained to do that BEFORE the foundation 1 Pet 1:19-20

<sup class="versenum">19 </sup>But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

<sup class="versenum">20 </sup>Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

Adam must sin to fulfill the Will of God !
 
Heavens No ! It was God's Purpose for Adam to sin and bring into the World sin and Death. This World was Created by God for the specific Purpose of Christ coming into it to die for the sins of God's Elect ! He was ordained to do that BEFORE the foundation 1 Pet 1:19-20

<sup class="versenum">19 </sup>But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

<sup class="versenum">20 </sup>Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

Adam must sin to fulfill the Will of God !

Then you are saying that you are Eternally lost because God planned it that way, & you had, nor have, anything to say about it???? Well, after reading the reams & reams of your:robot postings, sometimes it is had to believe otherwise!:chin

---Elijah
 
Then you are saying that you are Eternally lost because God planned it that way, & you had, nor have, anything to say about it???? Well, after reading the reams & reams of your:robot postings, sometimes it is had to believe otherwise!:chin

---Elijah

It was God's Purpose for Adam to sin and bring into the World sin and Death. This World was Created by God for the specific Purpose of Christ coming into it to die for the sins of God's Elect ! He was ordained to do that BEFORE the foundation 1 Pet 1:19-20

<sup class="versenum">19 </sup>But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

<sup class="versenum">20 </sup>Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

Adam must sin to fulfill the Will of God !
 
Rom 8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
Rom 8:21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

Blessings
 
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Originally Posted by Elijah674
Then you are saying that you are Eternally lost because God planned it that way, & you had, nor have, anything to say about it???? Well, after reading the reams & reams of your:robot postings, sometimes it is had to believe otherwise!:chin

---Elijah

And another's posting??
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It was God's Purpose for Adam to sin and bring into the World sin and Death. This World was Created by God for the specific Purpose of Christ coming into it to die for the sins of God's Elect ! He was ordained to do that BEFORE the foundation 1 Pet 1:19-20

<sup class="versenum">19 </sup>But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

<sup class="versenum">20 </sup>Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

Adam must sin to fulfill the Will of God ! (end of quote)
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Elijah here again. This is one of the most ANTI/CHRIST satanic teachings that 'i' have ever seen in print. Yet forum, it is not just this one 'teaching' that demands for me to toss it out (see James 2:8-10) but most all of their doctrines taught that are falsely satanic.

An immortal maggot + soul in hell never beeing burned up! OSAS programed like brain dead with no freedom of 'LOVING' choice to worship! Just think of that?? IF THAT IS NOT FORCED WORSHIP I DO NOT KNOW WHAT IS?????? 666 would also be the Lord's pattern for mankinds worship!:devil

And there is much more! But, we can not but do satan's sun worship stuff?? :chin Dan. 7:25

--Elijah


 
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