Bible Study --Adventist's and 1844 Sabbath School Lesson Study--

[John the Baptist]

It seems that 1 Peter 3:15 is mandatory?? Unless Revelation 3:16-17 applies?

Anyway? :fadein: Just a few questions for what the Early concerned Protestant Fold were surely hearing?

The wheat and the tares grow together until the harvest!??

You must abide by the church! The church is going through!

Just wondering how anyone left protestant church's? And if any could leave them, why not leave Adventism for the same reasons??

And another question: Looking at the churchs back then and Adventism today, the church's back then were much more conservative in marriage, dress, and even the movie theatre doings, jewelry, dancing, drinking & Sunday belief even, pluss their morals, were they not? So in bottom line I guess that I am asking about, :wink: if back then Adventist believed that they were to do the Revelation 18:4 TRUTH or be lost, well, what would they truly do today [if] still in 'yoked' membership of professed Adventism??

And another question! :wink: When the early Adventist reformers left the Protestants 'churchs', who then became the church? Not clear, yet? Let me ask it this way then, who left whom as in Israel of old? And who stayed put? Still not clear??? Bottom line Adventists: WHO WERE SHAKEN [OUT]? And just apply it to your quarters lesson studies. For Matthew 25:1-12's Midnight Cry will never be mentioned, huh?

--John

 

[John the Baptist]

'70 weeks are determined upon thy people to finish..'

Subject: The Godhead's future telling in Daniel!



Part one:

God tells it long before it takes place. The four World Kingdoms on Earth are seen in Daniel 2:31-34. Most know something of this Great Image with the parts of the body, the first Gold one on down to ten toes. Yet, Daniel 2:43-45 tells us that there will be no more world empires to come, and verse 45 tells us that the next event is the Second Coming of Christ! And take note that God states that the dream "is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure."

OK: There is not much stated here about the ten toes with five on each leg (or foot) of the image. And each mental represented histories as in the 'concrete settled past'. First Babylon, on down to Rome. We need to always remember that Rome's government have both church & state to enforce their religion.

In Daniel 7:3-11 we see the same world kingdoms represented as beasts, and the last one having ten horns, instead of ten toes, then we see additional Truth given.. of a very bad satanic horn that comes up and rooted up 3. This horn is said to have 'eyes' like a man, and speaking great things. Again Rome is brought to view. (Church state) Then we see just after this in Daniel 7:8-9 that Daniel book tells the UNIVERSE that the Judgement has come, 'and the Books were opened'.

So far? We now are in the future of then, & even some of the past, of today! Remember that when Christ died, the Vail that separated the Earthly Sanctuary was 'rent from top to bottom, by an unseen hand'. This made the way from the Holy Place INTO THE MOST HOLY PLACE of heavens True Sanctuary itself. Hebrews 9:22-28 At this time ALL of Moses laws that were 'written in a book, and placed in the side of the earthly Ark', were finished! See Galatians 3:19. Christ the Lamb had come, died and was resurrected, and is now our High Priest! Compare Deuteronomy 31:9 & Deuteronomy 31:24-26

Now catch this again, His own had Christ executed! John 1:10-11 Still they needed the power through Rome to kill Christ. Even in today's setting we know that the Revelation 17:5's verse will need world legislation to once again kill Christ's very own. The point being that so far, that this was the instruction given Daniel for the meaning of his visions. We could spend time with the satanic power of this chapter & the devil living his antichrist hatred against the Godhead in Daniel 7:20-25, but we won't.

Take note again though, as we see this additional Truth unfold, that Daniel 7:25-26 finds that the "Judgment Shall Sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the END."

OK: So far Daniel had understood Gabriel's teaching. And this was given twice in Dan. 2 & Dan. 7. Even pretty clear to us, and after four world kingdoms or empires, Christ return's. And yes, there is some time in between! But, Daniel needed no more help on this understanding. Daniel 9:2

Then comes Daniel 8:9-14 with even more Truth from Gabriel. This goes well past the Jews being cut off, with their rejection and crucifixion of Christ! See Matthew 23:38. YOUR HOUSE IS LEFT UNTO YOU DESOLATE. Now notice Daniel's inspired Words of Daniel 9:3 on. This vision is what Daniel had a problem with in understanding, after the time Christ was rejected, and Judgement on.. . Here is the record of what confused him.

"How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be CLEANSED." Daniel 8:13-14. (2300 years)
Here we see the 'Cleansing of the sanctuary' (Judgement starting) and still way up into the future of the vision. But Daniel said that he understood the first of the vision only. So let's leave off for now the total 2300 (= years Numbers 14:34-Ezekiel 4:6) days and just look at what Daniel said that he understood so for, for now.

But take note! Daniel 8:17-19 found Daniel hearing again the same message.. "The Time of the End be." Yet, he did not understand the total of this end of the vision!
After fasting & much prayer Gabriel comes again with understanding. Daniel 9:22-27. Again now, we are going to cover only ..'70 weeks are determined upon thy people to finish the transgresion'.

This is what Daniel understood. We want the truth of this 70 weeks, and then we can find the starting point, & even when the Judgement later on started. Or the total of the 2300 years, (days) and then the Heavenly Sanctuary was to be Cleansed. (sin, books, judgement)

In Numbers 14:34 we see God telling Daniel (and us) along with another verse in Ezekiel 4:6 that one day equals a year with God in prophecy. So instead of saying 70 weeks, we need a 7 day week x 70 weeks to come up with 490 days, which the Word states equals years. Or 490 years! Starting from where? This also is given to us.

Part two will continue on later.

---John

 

[John the Baptist]

(edited by me)

Not much other than what Daniel knew about the 70 years from Jer. today? Another 70 years were seen in 70 AD. Important, but nothing to cause concern perhaps?

But, next week getting into the 2300 day prophecy, will separate more Adventist perhaps? Meaning that the FALLING AWAY has ( of 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 = 1 Peter 4:17) the tares staying put in yoked membership, while the wheat leave the Revelation 3:9 synagogue of satan.

There was something read from Doug B. (or perhaps it was Clifford Goldstein?) saying that the remnant is a remnant inside the remnant. That is HOG/WASH! The 'remnant' of Revelation 12:17 are the ones who LEAVE the ex/remnant and become the Remnant which have the identical same doctrines! (see Mathew 23:2-3) One has followed Christ [OUT], as in Matthew 25:1-5. No 'dual membership' allowed. Revelation 18:4

---John

 

[John the Baptist]

The 2300 Days needs this post, which I moved. "The Midst of the week" is of the Most VITAL importance, even in the Universe! 1 Peter 1:5-12

Revelation 12:17 are 'TOTAL' Obedient Acts 5:32 Covenant keepers. Nothing to do with Rome or her/daughters of Revelation 17:5. (Two/fold, Commandments of God & Testimony of Jesus Christ!)

Nor are they the ex/Virgins, Matthew 23:38 Who are DESOLATE! And Daniel 9:24 '.. are determined upon thy people and appointed upon the holy city, to FINISH THE TRANSGRESSION, ..' Or Matthew 25:10-12's CLOSED DOOR ones! Who are seen as James 1:15, 1 John 5:16-17, Matthew 12:31-32, Revelation 2:5.
And Amos 5:1-3 prophesied as to the 'CUT/OFF' of old 'Virgin' Israel with the New Remnant Fold as in Acts 34 AD, (see Acts 2:47!) as well as in Revelation 12:17

Romans 2:28-29 has DOCUMENTED who are the 'Spiritual' Jew. Revelation 7's 12 Tribes.

It almost seems impossible for God to say it anymore plainly than in Ecclesiastes 1:9-10 & Ecclesiastes 3:15 for who these ones are . Perhaps that is the problem? Luke 16:31

If one is 'sincerely' interested in the 'midst of the week', surely one needs to see what transpired in the midst of the most important week in the history of the entire Universe!! 27AD-34AD was the anointing of Christ from God the Father at Christ's baptism through to the stoning of Stephen and the Everlasting Gospel going to the Gentiles. (the first history) Christ died in between.
This is when the earthly sanctuary sacrifices ceased! Galatians 3:19 Daniel 9:27 And yes, there is to be another 'spiritual' repeat as seen in Hebrews 6:6. But, once again, the REMNANT come out from the Pure Virgin Mother, (2 Thessalonians 2:1-3-Matthew 25:6) and not the ones that are all in the same bed together as seen in Revelation 17:5 :

---John

 

[John the Baptist]

--There Is One Basic Flaw Taught Today!--

--CONDITIONAL PROPHECY--

First: One sees 2 Peter 3:14-16 where Paul has a following of folk that have a problem with his 'descriptive' penmanship. But it is not only Paul's 'pen of descriptive' Truth, but also .. "in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the [other scripture,] unto their own destruction." So one needs to question other 'false' doctrines as well, to understand conditional prophecy Truth.

Yet: Lets say this up front! God is not caught off guard by Paul's 'own descriptive' wordings in this way. And that it is one of the ways that the end time 'false' thinking ones in the 'Broad Way', will be hustled together in false Unity. Matthew 4:4 & 2 Timothy 3:16 along with Daniel 7:25 will see all most all of the Revelation 17:5 ones voiding out an correct understanding of these Truths! Compare Revelation 14:6-10 with Revelation 18:4.

But the issue here is Christ's Words, and then with Paul's speaking by 'Inspiration' of the Holy Ghost, do they agree? (as his pen attests to in 1 Corinthians 14:32) And if not, then who is it that has the Truth, Paul? So when one reads Paul's Words [from Christ Word], and if we see a seeming contradiction, we can read the verses from 2 Peter 3:14-16 and wonder about 'our understanding'? And then even check out other doctrines to see if we have 'anything much to begin with even, in Truth?
(compare Genesis 11:7-9 & Revelation 17:5) Such as burning in hell eternally, purgatory, an infallible cult leader of a world church, (even with an extra book that contradicts the Word of God openly) and an immortal soul, with a once saved always saved doctrine to boot, (or church) along with a sun day worship 'replacement' for a required 7th day Set aside, and Blessed of God which is His Day of worship. and much more)

Paul states that: "For he is [not a Jew, which is one outwardly;] neither is that circumcism, which is outward in the flesh: [But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly:] and circumcism is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not, in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God." Romans 2:28-29 Is there any way to out weigh this simple understanding so far?? No.

OK: God's Word is sure! Isaiah 40:8 But some are going to change God's Word because they do not understand what Paul's descriptive pen means??? "But the Word of Gods shall stand forever." And Isaiah 55:11 gives a little more detail into how God will accomplish His Eternal Word's Plan, perhaps? In other words, the Godheads 'PLAN' that has been Eternally known by them will prevail! Isaiah 46:10.

And: "Jesus Christ the same yesterday,and today, and [forever]. (+) Be NOT CARRIED ABOUT WITH DIVERS AND STRANGE DOCTRINES." Heb. 13:8-9 Yet, the manner in which 'we' carry it out does change, and that being the case, God shows the Universe that the [Godheads Promises & threatening] are both Eternal in Covenanted Conditional Truth, and that they will never again have sin in the universe! Nahum 1:9. That [They will Save or reject] the person, persons, or a whole 'fold' or 'nation' even, as They had already shown. Revelation 2:5 & Revelation 3:16-17. The candlestick represents the seven Virgin 'in doctrine' folds. Compare Jeremiah 18:6-10, Daniel 5:25-28, Matthew 21:40-43, Luke 14:24. And still we are seeing some saying that God is wrong, and that Paul corrects these errors?????

Again, the Prophecy of God's Salvation, or ones Eternal loss is your ] DECISION to make! It can be done individually, by groups, or a church, churches, or Israel as a nation. In which case we are told that God would find a 'Remnant' only to save! Revelation 12:17.
Yet, notice these verses for the 'conditional' reversal of statements from God also:
Jonah 3:3-10, 2 Kings 20:1-5, and of promised blessing in Exodus 6:2-8 and Numbers 14:26-34.

We need to remember Lucifer's creation in heaven even, his rebellion did not catch the Eternal Godhead off guard! And the Matthew 25:1 Virgin heavenly comparison, with this Virgin parable, does find out who it is that has 'Documented Eternal Conditional Prophecy' recorded there! When one say's Conditional, it means that it could go either way by free choice!

Such as the test in the Garden of Eden. And the 'plan of Salvation' as most see in Genesis 3:15, that is all the way through to the Hebrews 11:13 ones who DIED IN THE FAITH. And even to where the first (earthly) Sin Against the Holy Ghost was seen by Cain in Genesis 4:6-7, and with Christ's very clear 'condition' seen for one (or ones of a whole church or nation who reject Christ) who is in Maturity, accepts or rejects the Master of the plan, Christ Himself. And then even to who it is that is the new master of his or their life, plus their [loving working 'desire'!] (and satan is not Christ!)

Israel was WARNED over and over again, as well as we! All Blessings go hand in hand with Obedience, or else a curse will follow continued disobedience. Deuteronomy 4:9, Deuteronomy 8:19, Jeremiah 18:18:6-10, Jeremiah 26:2-6, Zechariah 6:15. These are conditional promises on condition of Obedience to God. See Acts 5:32.

Had Israel had lived up to the Eternal Gospel Conditions? Only then would she have had all of these promises fulfilled!

Spiritual Israel has replaced the nation who has sinned the sin against the Holy Ghost. We have no king but Caesar they [Documented]! And satan took over Christ's ex/bride. See Matthew 23:38.

Then came Paul huh???
But first see Christ's own Words of Matthew 21:37! 'they caught Him and slew Him'! And His 'conditional prophecy' of Isaiah 5:1-7! 'unto other husbandmen who would render Him fruits in their seasons'. And Matthew 21:41. It seems that there were a 'remnant' who answered Christ correctly, huh?

In Romans 9-11 Paul affirms that the rejection of old Israel into spiritual Israel did not mean that the promises of God had 'none taken effect', (Romans 9:8) and he tells (some) us point blank that they are to become into being through 'Spiritual Israel'! He quotes Hosea 2:23, "I WILL CALL THEM MY PEOPLE, WHICH WERE NOT MY PEOPLE".
See Romans 9:25-26. Friend: This is Paul's pen quoting Hosea!

Yet, this Christian church replaces Old Israel as a Christian Fold. They do include some converted from old Israel, but mostly world/wide Gentiles. Notice how Peter refers to them as 'chosen ones' the 'elect of God' an 'HOLY NATION', who formerly were 'not a people, but now the people of God.' See 1 Peter 1:1-2. "strangers" 1 Peter 2:6-8 stumbling block for old Israel. Even Galatians 3:8-9 & Galatians 3:28-29 along with our very first starting verses of Romans 2:8-29 and this is by Paul. And still some are going to take their misunderstanding of this, and void out all else?

And then we come to Laodicea of Revelation 3:16-17's Present day Truth, with the Spewed out Warning! In verse 9 we see a church sandwiched in between Philadelphia & Laodicea, which one is it? see verse 10 for simple substraction from a number two!!

So when we hear that there is a Remnant [in] a Remnant??? Revelation 12:17. We need to understand that that is not Truth, there is to be the Remnant [outside] of the ex/Remnant! Christ stated to go forth! & To go ye [OUT] to meet Him! Matthew 25:1-6. Why was He again on the OUTSIDE? If onre does not know? They are in the peril of their soul! 1 Peter 4:17 :

And who gave this Midnight Cry to the ALL SLEEPING VIRGIN DOCTRINAL FOLD?
---John

 

[John the Baptist]

--We See Hebrews 6:6 all over Again!--

What do we have? The same repeat of Israel of old! And the same repeat of 1844. 'Most Mature closed door' Protestants that stayed put, & had made shipwreck. Most of these are once again so set in the devil's garbage, that God cannot budge them! They even go back into the Arm of Flesh that was back then rejected, to look for 'tradition' for their 'desires' over the Truth! Genesis 4:7. Yet, have you even noticed that almost all of the ones of today have given up on the 'old' 1st. day Sabbath tales, & mostly have several newer ones?

ONLY ROME Doesn't change, huh? She still tel's all that she changed the day of the Lord's Worship, & that, that change, is a MARK of her authority! And who can read what that means??? But just a very few!

And Adventist who were given the 3 Angels Message of Revelation 14:6-10?? they also are going the same broadway, and calling Rome a Christian church!!. They are are smelling like the ABOMINATION OF THE EARTH. :
See again: Ecclesiastes 1:9-10 & Ecclesiastes 3:15 for the Masters DOCUMENTATION.

---John