Alien life discovered?

[reznwerks]

"....water taken from the mysterious blood-colored showers that fell sporadically across Louis’s home state of Kerala in the summer of 2001â€â€contain microbes from outer space."

"Specifically, Louis has isolated strange, thick-walled, red-tinted cell-like structures about 10 microns in size. Stranger still, dozens of his experiments suggest that the particles may lack DNA yet still reproduce plentifully, even in water superheated to nearly 600˚F. (The known upper limit for life in water is about 250˚F.) So how to explain them? Louis speculates that the particles could be extraterrestrial bacteria adapted to the harsh conditions of space and that the microbes hitched a ride on a comet or meteorite that later broke apart in the upper atmosphere and mixed with rain clouds above India. If his theory proves correct, the cells would be the first confirmed evidence of alien life and, as such, could yield tantalizing new clues to the origins of life on Earth."

http://www.popsci.com/popsci/science/2c ... drcrd.html

 

[Rick W]

From the posted article:

Last winter, Louis sent some of his samples to astronomer Chandra Wickramasinghe and his colleagues at Cardiff University in Wales, who are now attempting to replicate his experiments; Wickramasinghe expects to publish his initial findings later this year.

Friday, 23 May, 2003
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2931246.stm
"Sars 'from the stars'"
By Richard Black
BBC science correspondent

The virus believed to cause Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (Sars) may have come to Earth from outer space, according to scientists writing in a leading British medical journal.

In a letter to The Lancet, the scientists, led by Professor Chandra Wickramasinghe of Britain's Cardiff University, say the Sars coronavirus is so unlike other viruses that an extra-terrestrial origin is logical.

The theory has been met with ridicule and disbelief by some. However, a number of Sars experts believe the theory itself seems to have come from another planet.

http://earthfiles.com/news/news.cfm?ID= ... ry=Science

Upcoming Research

Perhaps by August or September 2006, Dr. Wickramasinghe and his Cardiff and Sheffield colleagues hope to have more information about two major questions:

1) Do the Kerala red rain cells have DNA?
2) Could the red rain cells be an unidentified form of yeast or lichen cells from Earth?

If the answer is "no" to the above two questions, what can be learned about extraterrestrial cells that don't fit the hypothesis of panspermia, in which all life in the universe would be seeded from the same DNA? And if the red rain cells came to Earth in ice from a comet that perhaps made the one sonic boom heard by Kerala residents in July 2001, where did the comet get the red cells?

Interesting topic.
I'll admit, it does have that certain allure to it in regard to our love affair with aliens. Been hammering away at abiogenesis for so long it's getting boring. That's what I was taught in school. We need something new and "out there" may be the place to find it. We did have high hopes for Mars during the past century/s with an abundance of sci-fi imaginings (HG Wells - War of the Worlds to name one of the biggies) but things don't seem to be panning out as well as many had hoped concerning Mars. So let's see how far this vehicle can take us. It'll be a hard long road since our search for life within our solar system isn't doing so well and it'll be a very long time before we can really explore other solar systems.
Some say we aren't alone. Maybe that's so but when you're standing in the middle the Sahara and the working radio you have picks up nothing but static it's hard to feel like you have company.

So we'll just have to wait, maybe August or September, to see what comes of this. Maybe Wickramasinghe and others can make their indelible mark in the history of science. And they have a lot of secular modern science to convince.

 

[Lewis]

"....water taken from the mysterious blood-colored showers that fell sporadically across Louis’s home state of Kerala in the summer of 2001â€â€contain microbes from outer space."

"Specifically, Louis has isolated strange, thick-walled, red-tinted cell-like structures about 10 microns in size. Stranger still, dozens of his experiments suggest that the particles may lack DNA yet still reproduce plentifully, even in water superheated to nearly 600˚F. (The known upper limit for life in water is about 250˚F.) So how to explain them? Louis speculates that the particles could be extraterrestrial bacteria adapted to the harsh conditions of space and that the microbes hitched a ride on a comet or meteorite that later broke apart in the upper atmosphere and mixed with rain clouds above India. If his theory proves correct, the cells would be the first confirmed evidence of alien life and, as such, could yield tantalizing new clues to the origins of life on Earth."

http://www.popsci.com/popsci/science/2c ... drcrd.html

Paleeeeez give me a break, you are killing me. :o

 

[Vic C.]

I discovered some alien life while browsing through the memberlist. 8-)

 

[Lewis]

I discovered some alien life while browsing through the memberlist. 8-)

Now that I believe.

 

[ChristineES]

I discovered some alien life while browsing through the memberlist. 8-)

Now that I believe.

Yeah, me too. :wink:

 

[reznwerks]

pulse

I discovered some alien life while browsing through the memberlist. 8-)

Do I detect someones pulse racing and perhaps a hint of a cold sweat?

 

[ChristineES]

Re: pulse

I discovered some alien life while browsing through the memberlist. 8-)

Do I detect someones pulse racing and perhaps a hint of a cold sweat?

Yet another nonbeliever thinking he's on to something. : :
If it was found on Earth, then it is Earth life. :roll:

 

[reznwerks]

Re: pulse

I discovered some alien life while browsing through the memberlist. 8-)

Do I detect someones pulse racing and perhaps a hint of a cold sweat?

Yet another nonbeliever thinking he's on to something. : :
If it was found on Earth, then it is Earth life. :roll:

I suppose if a meteorite is found on earth it must have originated there as well.

 

[ChristineES]

Re: pulse

I discovered some alien life while browsing through the memberlist. 8-)

Do I detect someones pulse racing and perhaps a hint of a cold sweat?

Yet another nonbeliever thinking he's on to something. : :
If it was found on Earth, then it is Earth life. :roll:

I suppose if a meteorite is found on earth it must have originated there as well.

This is different than a meteorite, and you know that very well. Nice try.

 

[reznwerks]

Re: pulse

I discovered some alien life while browsing through the memberlist. 8-)

Do I detect someones pulse racing and perhaps a hint of a cold sweat?

Yet another nonbeliever thinking he's on to something. : :
If it was found on Earth, then it is Earth life. :roll:

I suppose if a meteorite is found on earth it must have originated there as well.

This is different than a meteorite, and you know that very well. Nice try.

In this case it might not be different and you know it very well if you read the article. There is the unexplained red rain, and the microbes that defy ALL known attributes of life on earth including DNA yet they still reproduce.

 

[Rick W]

In this case it might not be different and you know it very well if you read the article. There is the unexplained red rain, and the microbes that defy ALL known attributes of life on earth including DNA yet they still reproduce.

Several assumptions are made here:

1) There is no DNA in these cells
2) These are microbes
3) These aren't earth born.
4) Cell structures such as these can survive near absolute zero conditions (-459F).
5) These cells can survive the intense heat of atmospheric entry.
6) These cells survived the cataclysmic formation of the vehicle that brought them here.
7) These survived zero pressure in transit to our world.

Surviving these conditions might be a bit more plausible if these were viruses but they're not. They are single cell structures. If there is the slightest bit of water moisture in them then surviving such extreme conditions would be impossible. Also, how old would these have to be to have been borne successfully from another life-sustaining world?

But I've disregarded the "fact" these are alien. And we all know anything alien can do anything. Hollywood has proven that "fact" over and over again. :roll:

 

[Rick W]

Ok, now I'm confused.
From reznwerks original article:
By Jebediah Reed | June 2006

From the following article:
Cardiff, Wales, UK - 27 April 2006

:smt017

Would you care to explain this reznwerks?


UK TEAMS OFFER NEW INSIGHT INTO RED RAIN MYSTERY
Scientists at Cardiff University say they can confirm that DNA, the genetic blueprint for life, did exist in the mysterious red rain which fell over India in 2001.This may be a key to learning about possible lifeforms in outer space.

The Cardiff team is now comparing DNA from the red rain with that of all known terrestrial species. It’s a long and painstaking study, but if no known DNA from Earth matches, the only remaining possibility would be that it is an alien life form from outer space.

..all known terrestrial species..

Does that imply there are unknown species as well?

 

[Rick W]

Ok, now I'm confused.
From reznwerks original article:
By Jebediah Reed | June 2006

From the following article:
Cardiff, Wales, UK - 27 April 2006
:smt017
Would you care to explain that reznwerks?

... defy ALL known attributes of life on earth including DNA yet they still reproduce.

Ooops. You took the lack of DNA as "fact" a bit too soon.

UK TEAMS OFFER NEW INSIGHT INTO RED RAIN MYSTERY
Scientists at Cardiff University say they can confirm that DNA, the genetic blueprint for life, did exist in the mysterious red rain which fell over India in 2001.This may be a key to learning about possible lifeforms in outer space.

The Cardiff team is now comparing DNA from the red rain with that of all known terrestrial species. It’s a long and painstaking study, but if no known DNA from Earth matches, the only remaining possibility would be that it is an alien life form from outer space.

[quote:e3cce]..all known terrestrial species..

Does that imply there are unknown species as well?[/quote:e3cce]

 

[Rick W]

And no I'm definitely not against science for I believe science is God-given so we may know Him more. As we see or reveal more of His creation through science we are to stand in ever-increasing awe of His glory and power. But we don't do that choosing instead to use the gift of science in an attempt to prove there is no God. Science produces the data... the scientist produces the conclusion.

It is the scientist who claims "Since it is unknown it must have come from out there." Inherent with a "scientific" claim is the burden of proof. Conclusion is not evidence nor proof.

 

[ChristineES]

I am sorry for being sarcastic yesterday. The article was very interesting, but there is no proof that these microns are anything from outer space. I have always enjoyed science. We don't know everything that is on Earth, it seems that every year, some new creature is found somewhere. These microns don't seem likely to me to be alien life.
Saying that these disengaged from a comet or something, fell into the rain of India, and fell to Earth sounds kind of silly to me, but I am just a lowly Accounting major in California.

 

[Lewis]

I am sorry for being sarcastic yesterday. The article was very interesting, but there is no proof that these microns are anything from outer space. I have always enjoyed science. We don't know everything that is on Earth, it seems that every year, some new creature is found somewhere. These microns don't seem likely to me to be alien life.
Saying that these disengaged from a comet or something, fell into the rain of India, and fell to Earth sounds kind of silly to me, but I am just a lowly Accounting major in California.

Sorry for what ? You did not do anything wrong.