All are under sin

[RichardBurger]

All are under sin:

It was asked by someone “would God ask us to do what we couldn’t do?“

The answer is yes, He asked the Jews to keep the Law of Moses. However, when they, the Jews, killed their Messiah (Jesus) He concluded that no man could keep the Law of Moses and He had another plan to save sinful men, a plan to shed the blood of His righteous Son on the cross to pay for the sins of mankind.

Romans 3:9-10
9 What then? Are we better than they? Not at all. For we have previously charged both Jews and Greeks that they are all under sin.
10 As it is written: "There is none righteous, no, not one;
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Galatians 3:21-26
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law.
22 But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed.
24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.
26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.
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In this age of God’s grace salvation in not obtained by “not sinning in the flesh.†It is only obtained by a person placing their belief in the work of God on the cross. That means to deny that the person can do anything righteous to save him/her self and to simply place all their faith, trust, confidence and hope in what Jesus did on the cross. To claim His work on our behalf is our salvation. Jesus (God) gets all the glory and praise.

In this age of God’s grace all God asks a person to do is trust in His plan of salvation by placing their faith in His Son’s work on the cross. It is the only way that a person can be saved and yet many do not believe it is that simple.

2 Corinthians 11:3
3 But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
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[Ahuli]

All are under sin:

It was asked by someone “would God ask us to do what we couldn’t do?“

The answer is yes, He asked the Jews to keep the Law of Moses.
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The law of Moses, or ceremonial, ritual law, was a performance the Jews did quite well. It is the law of God, or ten commandment law, they slaughtered and turned into a fiasco. But then, they are not alone in this.

 

[einstein]

RichardBurger stated:However, when they, the Jews, killed their Messiah (Jesus)...

I beg to differ. Jesus was never qualified to be the Jewish messiah and as the Greek Testament states, he was crucified- a Roman method of execution perfected by the Romans and unknown as a form of punishment under Jewish law.

Your explanation of God's solution to sin is bizarre and illogical. If you believe that Jesus is God then God kills himself for mankind's salvation? If you believe Jesus was the son of God, then why would God contravene his own words as stated in the Hebrew Bible which prohibits not only human sacrifice but proscribes vicarious atonement? Furthermore, if Jesus was truly resurrected, then what penalty was paid? To state that everyone sins is self-evident. However, it does not necessarily follow that a) the doctrine of original sin is true or b) righteous individuals are not found in both the Hebrew bible and the Greek Testament.

 

[Ahuli]

RichardBurger stated:However, when they, the Jews, killed their Messiah (Jesus)...

I beg to differ. Jesus was never qualified to be the Jewish messiah and as the Greek Testament states, he was crucified- a Roman method of execution perfected by the Romans and unknown as a form of punishment under Jewish law.

Your explanation of God's solution to sin is bizarre and illogical. If you believe that Jesus is God then God kills himself for mankind's salvation? If you believe Jesus was the son of God, then why would God contravene his own words as stated in the Hebrew Bible which prohibits not only human sacrifice but proscribes vicarious atonement? Furthermore, if Jesus was truly resurrected, then what penalty was paid? To state that everyone sins is self-evident. However, it does not necessarily follow that a) the doctrine of original sin is true or b) righteous individuals are not found in both the Hebrew bible and the Greek Testament.

This sounds other-worldly. Where do you fit in?

 

[RichardBurger]

RichardBurger stated:However, when they, the Jews, killed their Messiah (Jesus)...

I beg to differ. Jesus was never qualified to be the Jewish messiah and as the Greek Testament states, he was crucified- a Roman method of execution perfected by the Romans and unknown as a form of punishment under Jewish law.

Your explanation of God's solution to sin is bizarre and illogical. If you believe that Jesus is God then God kills himself for mankind's salvation? If you believe Jesus was the son of God, then why would God contravene his own words as stated in the Hebrew Bible which prohibits not only human sacrifice but proscribes vicarious atonement? Furthermore, if Jesus was truly resurrected, then what penalty was paid? To state that everyone sins is self-evident. However, it does not necessarily follow that a) the doctrine of original sin is true or b) righteous individuals are not found in both the Hebrew bible and the Greek Testament.

This sounds other-worldly. Where do you fit in?

He is, obviously, one of those that do not believe Jesus is the promised Messiah of the Jews. Since that is what he believes I am not going to get into a discussion with him. What would be the point?

 

[glorydaz]

In this age of God’s grace salvation in not obtained by “not sinning in the flesh.†It is only obtained by a person placing their belief in the work of God on the cross. That means to deny that the person can do anything righteous to save him/her self and to simply place all their faith, trust, confidence and hope in what Jesus did on the cross. To claim His work on our behalf is our salvation. Jesus (God) gets all the glory and praise.

In this age of God’s grace all God asks a person to do is trust in His plan of salvation by placing their faith in His Son’s work on the cross. It is the only way that a person can be saved and yet many do not believe it is that simple.

2 Corinthians 11:3
3 But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
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:amen It's nice to see the simple message of hope that gives God all the glory.

 

[Ahuli]

RichardBurger stated:However, when they, the Jews, killed their Messiah (Jesus)...

I beg to differ. Jesus was never qualified to be the Jewish messiah and as the Greek Testament states, he was crucified- a Roman method of execution perfected by the Romans and unknown as a form of punishment under Jewish law.

Your explanation of God's solution to sin is bizarre and illogical. If you believe that Jesus is God then God kills himself for mankind's salvation? If you believe Jesus was the son of God, then why would God contravene his own words as stated in the Hebrew Bible which prohibits not only human sacrifice but proscribes vicarious atonement? Furthermore, if Jesus was truly resurrected, then what penalty was paid? To state that everyone sins is self-evident. However, it does not necessarily follow that a) the doctrine of original sin is true or b) righteous individuals are not found in both the Hebrew bible and the Greek Testament.

This sounds other-worldly. Where do you fit in?

Thanks for the heads up.

He is, obviously, one of those that do not believe Jesus is the promised Messiah of the Jews. Since that is what he believes I am not going to get into a discussion with him. What would be the point?