All [Faithful] Israel shall be Saved

[Keraz]

Romans 11:25-27, Gods divine secret is how it will be only after all the chosen Gentiles are saved, John 15:16, will the remnant faithful Jews join as them one people again. As described in Ezekiel 37:15-27, Jeremiah 50:4-5, Isaiah 11:11-13
THEN: All Israel will be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Zion the Deliverer, and He shall remove the wickedness from Jacob: For this is my Covenant I will give to them, when I take away their sins.

The quotation Paul uses is from Isaiah 59:20 The Lord will come as a Redeemer to Zion and to those in Jacob who repent of their rebellion…..
What Paul is referring to is: only a saved remnant of the Jewish people and all true Christians, who will constitute the Israel of God. His Overcomers for God.
The message to the individual Jew, is that he or she must “turn from transgression” to the Lord. There will be a few who will turn to him. All of them will be saved. He speaks of the saved remnant as Jewish Israel.

Are the Jews still God's people? No, the Kingdom was taken from them: Matthew 21:43, only those individuals who are both ethnic and spiritual Jews. Romans 2:29 Saved Gentiles have also been grafted into the tree and are now co-heirs of the promises of God to Israel. Romans 8:14-17

Paul says that it's all by God's grace... Romans 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. Romans 9:27
In other words, by grace through faith, plus or minus nothing, in the Lord Jesus Christ. Only through faith in Jesus can anyone be a child of God. Confirmed by:
Galatians 3:26-29, For you are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ's, then are you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Clearly, Galatians 3:26-29 states that unsaved Jews cannot be Abraham's spiritual seed, nor are they heirs of the promises of God made to Israel in the Bible. The Bible is very plain on this subject that only born-again Christian believers of any ethnicity are heirs of the promises of God. Ephesians 2:11-18 True, righteous Christians from every race, nation and language are God's people; the Israelites of God.
There is neither Jew nor Gentile in Christ. So we can divide all humanity into one or other of these two groups:
1/ Every godless unbeliever including the non-Christian Jews and-
2/ All Christian believers, Jews and Gentiles.; people from every race, nation and language. Isaiah 66:18b, Revelation 5:9-10

God never blesses wicked evildoers. When the Jews rejected Jesus, God gave them into the hands of their enemies, as in 70 AD. Then, for continuing in their disbelief; the many pogroms and the Holocaust. Now they face the third swing of the Sword, Ezekiel 21:1-16

Romans 11:1-2 and 19-23, I say then, Has God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. God has not cast away his people which he foreknew…..You may say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in. Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and we Christians stand by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward you, blessing, so keep your faith: otherwise you also shalt be cut off. And they also, if they change their ways, shall be grafted back in: for God is able to graft them in again.

This Scripture plainly teaches that ONLY Jews who believe the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ will be grafted back into the tree as God's people. Jeremiah 12:14-16 proves this.

God cut off Judah in 586 BC for their continuous and stiffnecked rebellion against His Word, even killing the prophets. Jesus was just the last one.
God still loves His people, His true people who obey Him, and any Jew can be grafted back into the tree, but all Christ-rejecting Jews are NOT GOD'S PEOPLE. The Parable of the Vineyard shows how the ethnic Jewish people have lost their status. Matthew 21:33-46, Luke 19:27
Less than .025% of the Jews living in Israel today profess to be a Christian. Only a fool thinks that God loves the apostate, atheistic, gay pride, Christ rejecting Jews. These types are NOT God's people. Revelation 2:9

So only the saved Jews are part of God's people, Romans 2:29, but most are saved Gentiles, the descendants of Abraham by their faith. AND by possible/probable descent.
Only believers in Jesus Christ can claim to be heirs of the promises of God originally given to Israel, but are now applicable omly to every faithful Christian.
Isaiah 51:1-2 Listen all you who follow after the right and who seek the Lord…..Consider Abraham to be your father and Sarah your mother… I Blessed him, now his offspring are many.

 

[RandyK]

Romans 11:25-27, Gods divine secret is how it will be only after all the chosen Gentiles are saved, John 15:16, will the remnant faithful Jews join as them one people again. As described in Ezekiel 37:15-27, Jeremiah 50:4-5, Isaiah 11:11-13
THEN: All Israel will be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Zion the Deliverer, and He shall remove the wickedness from Jacob: For this is my Covenant I will give to them, when I take away their sins.

The quotation Paul uses is from Isaiah 59:20 The Lord will come as a Redeemer to Zion and to those in Jacob who repent of their rebellion…..
What Paul is referring to is: only a saved remnant of the Jewish people and all true Christians, who will constitute the Israel of God. His Overcomers for God.
The message to the individual Jew, is that he or she must “turn from transgression” to the Lord. There will be a few who will turn to him. All of them will be saved. He speaks of the saved remnant as Jewish Israel.

I understand, and reject, your argument (no personal animosity). It is a rational approach to the matter, to include with Jewish believers Gentile believers in order to make up the salvation of "all Israel."

But it doesn't fit in for me with the OT prophecies of Israel's final salvation. At the time these prophecies were written, only Israel was in view, and it wasn't a compilation of Jewish believers with future Gentile converts!

Neither do I think it's credible that Paul intended to say that every Jew in Israel will be saved in the evangelical sense. True to OT prophecies of Israel's final salvation, the emphasis is on Israel's political salvation, as connected to their spiritual resuscitation.

It was always said that Israel's spiritual repentance must be connected with their political deliverance. And Paul's reference to that is the same. The political salvation of Israel is connected to their spiritual revitalization. It is not a Gentile revitalization, but a specifically "Jewish" one, since the Jews have long gone astray as a "people."

 

[Whatever]

Isaiah 10:22 For though your people Israel be as the sand of the sea, only a remnant of them will return. Destruction is decreed, overflowing with righteousness. 23 For the Lord GOD of hosts will make a full end, as decreed, in the midst of all the earth.

Romans 9:27 And Isaiah cries out concerning Israel: “Though the number of the sons of Israel be as the sand of the sea, only a remnant of them will be saved, 28 for the Lord will carry out his sentence upon the earth fully and without delay.”

Paul equates "return" with "saved."

 

[RedPill]

it doesn't fit in for me with the OT prophecies of Israel's final salvation. At the time these prophecies were written, only Israel was in view, and it wasn't a compilation of Jewish believers with future Gentile converts!

"...the Israel of God." (Gal. 6:16)

The first time I saw this phrase, drawn from the book of Galatians, it resonated in my Spirit to the degree that I realized the LORD was speaking to me in a way that is profoundly prophetic.

These words were written by the Apostle Paul to the Christians at Galatia, and when I came to understand the circumstances of just why the Holy Spirit moved on Paul to reference the Christians as "the Israel of God," I learned a very valuable lesson. It is my desire to share this teaching with the reader. Certainly, a bit of context is in order.

Due to the religious conditioning which has come to dominate most of the denominations and Christian fellowships over the last century, most believers see themselves as members of the so-called "church," as opposed to the unique title Paul used to describe the saved in the following passage:

"For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision [being an Israelite] availeth anything, nor uncircumcision [being a Gentile], but a new creature. And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God" (Galatians 6:16).

To phrase this in the simplest language possible, the Apostle Paul is saying being Jewish is worth nothing, and being Gentile is worth nothing, because whatever you were before, in Christ you are now "a new creature," and this new body of believers is called "the Israel of God."

The Gospel That Paul Preached

To see how Paul could come to believe the Christians have somehow become Israel, we must go back to the earliest days of his ministry, and this is found in the book of Acts. Because Paul was an expert on the prophets, after he was converted to Christianity, he realized he understood many things that were prophesied about Christ, and he found himself teaching the Christians such things in Antioch in Pisidia.

As in other cities, he continued to receive huge resistance from the Jews, largely because they accurately perceived this new religious development threatened their standing as the chosen of God. This was also because of what had occurred in Caesarea. Shortly after Paul encountered Christ, and began to proclaim Jesus as the Messiah, Peter went into a trance sent by the LORD, in which he was told to preach Jesus to the Gentiles. Up until that time, the disciples had preached exclusively to the Jews:

"Now they which were scattered abroad upon the persecution that arose about Stephen travelled…preaching the word to none but the Jews only" (Acts 11:19).

However, when word reached the disciples the Holy Spirit had baptized a group of Gentiles in Caesarea in the presence of Peter, and the Jewish Christians in Jerusalem had glorified God that the Gentiles were to be included in the salvation of Jesus Christ, the scattered Christians began to preach to the Greeks, with great success.

"And the hand of the Lord was with them, and a great number believed" (Acts 11:21).

Everywhere the Christians went, they would preach to the Jews first, and then the Gentiles. Although they did see periodic conversions to Christ among individual people of Jewish descent, a significant turning point occurred when Paul was in Antioch and the Gentiles came to the LORD in wholesale numbers.

Paul concluded his sermon in the synagogue to the Jews by quoting a rather pointed verse from Habakkuk, who prophesies how the Jews will not only refuse to hear the truth concerning Christ, the prediction also hints that their rejection will be related to the inclusion of the Gentiles into the salvation of Yahweh:

"Behold ye among the heathen [read Gentiles], and regard, and wonder marvelously, for I will work a work in your days, which ye will not believe, though it be told you" (Habakkuk 1:5).

At Antioch, Paul had preached to the Jews first, because Jesus had said from the very beginning that He was sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. When it became self evident the LORD chose to include the Gentiles in His New Covenant with the house of Israel, Paul and the other Apostles responded with joy:

"When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life" (Acts 11:18).

...continued...

 

[RedPill]

The Gentiles Are Born Again As Israel

As the door of salvation opened to the Greeks, the Romans, and other nations of the world, some of the Jews responded to the New Testament of Jesus Christ; but most refused to allow the Spirit of the Lord to move them into the place they needed to go to receive salvation. Oddly enough, at Antioch, the text does not record any firm Jewish rejection of the Gospel when Paul first presented the way of salvation to them. It was as if there was no reaction at all.

Surely Paul sensed this apathy in his Spirit, for the lengthy account in Acts tells us he closed his sermon with a very abrasive paraphrase of the previously cited verse from Habakkuk:

"…therefore…through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins…Beware, therefore, lest that come upon you, which is spoken of in the prophets; Behold, ye despisers, and wonder, and perish: for I work a work in your days, a work which ye shall in no wise believe, though a man declare it unto you" (Acts 13:38,40,41).

Antioch was clearly a turning point, for it was there that Paul began to connect the prophecies concerning Israel's rejection of the Gospel with the inclusion of the Gentiles to the house of Israel. The reader will recall that it was in Antioch when, after preaching Jesus to the Jews,

"…the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath. And the next Sabbath day came almost the whole city together…" (Acts 13:42).

The Gentile Prodigal Son Is Received By The Father

It is at this stage that we see the element of envy seems to crystallize the as-yet unspoken Antiochian hostility towards the Gospel. As Paul preached to the entire city, we see how the Jews were moved with jealousy at the explosive popularity of Christianity:

"But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy, and spake against those things which were spoken by Paul, contradicting and blaspheming" (Acts 13:45).

As usual, Paul's reaction was to again cite from the prophets, but this time, he quoted a prophecy concerning Israel, and applied it to the Christian believers – a clear indicator he saw the body of Christ as what he would later call "the Israel of God."

"…it was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles. For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou should be for salvation unto the ends of the earth" (Acts 13:46,47).

Paul is quoting from Isaiah, and the verse in question is, without a doubt, speaking of what the prophet calls "the preserved of Israel," who are to be "a light of the Gentiles." With this citation, Paul makes a profound public declaration concerning the doctrine of the identity of Israel, as he plainly identifies this prophecy as applying to the believers in Christ – the "us" in the verse – in sharp contrast to the Jews who Paul says have "judged [themselves] unworthy of everlasting life" (Acts 13:46).

What this means quite simply is that Paul understood, and publicly stated, that the promises made to Israel were fulfilled in the body of Spiritual "Israel,"an identity he referred to as "us" – i.e. the Christians. To put it bluntly, the Christians are the only saved Israel seen in the New Testament.

The transition concludes when Christ rejecting physical Israel, joins with the Christ rejecting physical Gentiles, to attack the single Spiritual entity that was born again as Spiritual Israel.

"But the unbelieving Jews stirred up the Gentiles, and made their minds evil affected against the brethren. And when there was an assault made both of the Gentiles, and also of the Jews with their rulers, to use them despitefully, and to stone them they were ware of it, and fled…." (Acts 14:2,5,6).

You Must Be Born Again

The reconfiguration of Israel was complete, for what could be called Spiritual Israel, or Born Again Israel, comprised of former Jews and former Gentiles, was being attacked by physical Jews and physical Gentiles, who had joined together to oppose the Gospel.

At this point, it's useful to remind the reader that the New Testament cogently tells us that there is no difference between physical Jews or physical Gentiles in Christ:

"Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new" (II Corinthians 5:17).

This means that if any man is not in Christ, he is what he was – an unsaved Jew or an unsaved Gentile. We note that the two components of Anti-Israel, comprised of Christ rejecting Jews and unregenerate Gentiles form one body – those who are not saved. On the opposite side of the spectrum, we see the two components of "the Israel of God," comprised of former Jews and former Gentiles who now form "a new creature" -- those who are saved.

Because most Christians have been taught they have become members of the so-called "church" (a word that simply means an assembly), the Roman Catholic concept of the "church" replacing Israel came about. The Rapture Cult, realizing the Old Testament promises to Israel must be fulfilled in Israel, then came up with the idea of rotating salvation (the "church" is saved, gets raptured, and then Israel gets redeemed), but both systems are fatally flawed.

No matter how you slice it, the only saved entity in Scripture is Israel, and the Apostle Paul clearly articulated the body of Christian believers is one body, comprised of former Jews and former Gentiles, who have been born again as a new creation – The Israel Of God.

-- brother James

 

[RandyK]

"...the Israel of God." (Gal. 6:16)

The first time I saw this phrase, drawn from the book of Galatians, it resonated in my Spirit to the degree that I realized the LORD was speaking to me in a way that is profoundly prophetic.

I understand this is your own personal testimony. But with all due respect, Replacement Theology has been around for a very long time!

When early on in OT history, the Jewish People did not respond to Christ as a nation, they were cast off temporarily, until Christ could reach out to the nations as he had reached out to Israel.

Rom 11.11 Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious. 12 But if their transgression means riches for the world, and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their full inclusion bring!

When Israel was judged via the Romans and refused to embrace Christ as their Messiah, for a long period of time, the early Christians began to doubt God's promise of Final Salvation for Israel and transferred the name "Israel" to the nations who were now accepting Christ.

Rom 11.17 If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, 18 do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” 20 Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.

But nations have times and seasons. There were times when Israel thrived in the OT era, and times when they fell and were judged. When they fell they were restored.

But there came a time when they would come under their worst trial of punishment. And that was when they rejected Christ and were cast off, temporarily, as God's People, and exiled among the nations for a very long time. This is called the Jewish Diaspora.

Dan 12.1 “At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people—everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered."

But nowhere in the Bible are the nations called "Israel." God's promises are clear, and refer to Israel, just as they apply to every individual nation called to be God's People, as well. And just as Israel fell after many years of declining commitment so now many previously Christian countries are falling into backsliding and compromise--even apostasy. They can be cut off, just like Israel.

The passage you refer to does not state that the Gentile Church is now to be called "Israel." Paul simply proclaimed a blessing upon the "Israel of God," believing that the grace now manifested towards Gentile people will once again be manifested towards the Jewish People.

Gal 6.15 Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything; what counts is the new creation. Peace and mercy to all who follow this rule—to the Israel of God.

Paul is referring to the "circumcised" as the "Israel of God," who are the recipients of the "new creation," as promised in the book of Isaiah.

Isa 65.16 Whoever invokes a blessing in the land
will do so by the one true God;
whoever takes an oath in the land
will swear by the one true God.
For the past troubles will be forgotten
and hidden from my eyes.
17 See, I will create
new heavens and a new earth.
The former things will not be remembered.

This referred to the promise of Israel's restoration, when the dividing wall between Israel and pagan nations would come down, as both receive grace for Salvation. Here, it is not just Israel that is forgiven and saved, but it is the *entire earth* that is reformed-- the pagan nations as well as backslidden Israel.

 

[Whatever]

Due to the religious conditioning which has come to dominate most of the denominations and Christian fellowships over the last century, most believers see themselves as members of the so-called "church

"Church" is simply the English translation of "ekklesia."

Matthew 16:18 And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church (ekklēsia)

The Greek Old Testament called the Septuagint used ekklesia to translate the Hebrew word qâhâl, meaning a congregation, assembly, company or other organized body.

Exodus 32:1 When the people saw that Moses delayed to come down from the mountain, the people gathered themselves together (qâhâl)

Joshua 22:12 And when the people of Israel heard of it, the whole assembly (qâhâl) of the people of Israel gathered . . .

Stephen talking:
Acts7:38 This is the one who was in the congregation (ekklēsia) in the wilderness . . .

It's a shame that this word came to be translated "Church" rather than just left alone like "baptism (baptizo)," but that's just the way it is now.

Where two or 3 or more are gathered together in Jesus name, you have a ekklēsia.

 

[RedPill]

The passage you refer to does not state that the Gentile Church is now to be called "Israel." Paul simply proclaimed a blessing upon the "Israel of God," believing that the grace now manifested towards Gentile people will once again be manifested towards the Jewish People.

Firstly, there are two "Israel's." For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel (Rom. 9:6). It's not about nationalism or physical geography or proudly claiming "Jewish" blood/heritage.

Secondly, you must scripturally determine who or what constitutes both a "Jew" and "Israel."

Whatever posted:

Where two or 3 or more are gathered together in Jesus name, you have a ekklēsia.

 

[RandyK]

Firstly, there are two "Israel's." For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel (Rom. 9:6).

No, I don't believe there are two Israels. Paul uses a lot of abbreviated language, and so you have to understand the context. He is talking about Jews in Israel who qualify as "sons of the Kingdom," and not just "sons of Israel."

Paul is saying that Abraham was promised not just a nation, but also a nation of faith. That means that even though all Israel is called "Israel," not all live up to their calling as belonging to an Israel of faith.

Currently, we know that Israel as a nation is not a nation of faith. It fell away from their relationship with God through covenant when they rejected Jesus as their Messiah. But the promise is that they will return, repent, and weep when they see their Messiah come.

Then they will enter into a new covenant--a covenant that we, Gentiles, and a remnant of Jews, have already entered into. But then, they will enter into a new covenant with God as a nation. And that has yet to happen.

 

[RedPill]

Currently, we know that Israel as a nation is not a nation of faith. It fell away from their relationship with God through covenant when they rejected Jesus as their Messiah. But the promise is that they will return, repent, and weep when they see their Messiah come.

Many sincere Bible students have been deceived by the tactics of the Rapture Cult on many different fronts. One of the most notorious efforts is found in Romans 11 where a casual reading of a single verse, taken out of context, can be twisted to make it appear that at some future point God will miraculously convert all Jewish people to Christianity. This teaching is an abomination as that particular lie is deeply rooted in the Antichrist system we identify as the Rapture Cult. The following is a look at the verse in question (Romans 11:26).

For openers, the primary difficulty in this understanding the truth of this verse is the Apostle Paul's seemingly abrupt shift in focal points in and around verse 26 - "And so all Israel shall be saved." A close analysis will indicate that what he actually does is make a concluding point to his prior statements in the chapter. It was because of this contextual fluidity that I kept moving further and further back in the chapter in order to reconstruct the flow of his thoughts.

Several things can help in understanding this passage. First, recognize you're reading a letter that has ALREADY addressed who Israel is several pages (chapters) previously. Paul has ALREADY elaborated extensively on, and identified the "seed" of Abraham as being fulfilled in the promised Messiah (1:3, 9:8).

Paul has ALREADY elaborated on the fact that "Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children" (9:7). Paul has already stated that the "promise" to the SEED of Abraham [which is Christ], "that he should be heir of the world," was not through the law [a phenomena that was peculiar to Israel] but by faith.

Paul has ALREADY clearly stated that "they which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed." (9:8)

One may suppose, since Paul has repeatedly instructed the churches in each city to read the epistles written to the other churches (Col 4:16, I Thess 5:27) that the Romans had read the Galatian epistle written several years previously. Thus, Paul has ALREADY stated that "if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise." (Gal 3:29)

Thus, by the time we get to chapter 11 of Romans, it has already been established there are two Israels - "For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel" (Rom 9:6). In a similar vein, it has already been established there are two groups of Jews - "He is not a Jew, which is one outwardly, But he is a Jew which is one inwardly, in the spirit" (Rom 2:28).

All these statements have preceded the statement that "all Israel shall be saved". Had Paul said "and so, all Jews shall be saved," there would probably be no question he was speaking of the "inward" Jews, but because he used the collective term "Israel" immediately after having referred to what could be distinguished as 'natural' Israel, there is some difficulty in recognizing WHICH Israel he is referring to in which "ALL" are saved.

A good question would be, is it consistent to think that Paul has spent chapter upon chapter repeatedly articulating how Israel "stumbled" because they did not embrace the Messiah by FAITH as the seed of Abraham, then abruptly say 'Oh well, they're all going to be saved anyway?' Or another variation would be, 'it won't matter in the long run, because no matter what they do, all Israel shall be saved.'

This 'predestined irresistible grace' is the proposition being put forth by the Dispensationalists. It runs counter to the overwhelming body of Scripture, and the central theme of the New Testament.

The claim that God must save all of physical Israel is usually based on a perceived irrevocable promise to that particular family - but a carrying over into the modern era of a perceived promise to "remember" Israel ignores the fact that the promise to "remember" Israel was already fulfilled in the Messiah's arrival. Furthermore, the "remnant" that is prophesied to be saved among the "lost sheep of the house of Israel" are specified to exist in the early Christian church.

Because Paul has already repeatedly stated there is such a thing as a "remnant" of Israel (11:4,5) and there are two "Israels" with an unbelieving Israel that is not "the Israel of God" (Gal 3:29) - it is consistent for him to be referring to the 'saved' Israel when he writes "all Israel shall be saved."

Conversely, it is not consistent with the preponderance of New Testament doctrine to think he is saying all the Jews will be saved, when there is no such promise, prophecy, or explicit statement anywhere in Scripture. The lack of Scripture promising that "all" of physical Israel will be saved doesn't even account for the last two thousand years of history - to say nothing of the fact that every indication we have is that the modern Israeli nation is up to their eyeballs in the present apostasy.

verse 26. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob

This phrase concludes the thought that Paul has been developing from the very first verse of this chapter - Israel has not been "cast away," Israel has been born-again and magnified through the appending of the Gentiles to the one saved entity that God has created. Thus, it is consistent for Paul to conclude "And so..." as he pronounces that "all Israel shall be saved."

Because he has repeatedly established that there are two Israels, it is entirely logical for Paul to utilize the phrase "all Israel" to emphasize that this is the finished result of the LORD's "strange work" (Isaiah 28:21). He has repeatedly prophesied that "this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear" (Isaiah 28:12). He has repeatedly stated He will "lay in Zion for a foundation stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation" (Isaiah 28:16) but they would not believe.

Thus the idea that God will miraculously cause "all Israel" (awkwardly forcing the the phrase to refer to physical Israel) to suddenly believe in Jesus Christ after the 'last Gentile' converts, is completely without merit. There is no explicit statement to that effect anywhere in the Bible. It runs counter to everything said in the entire chapter, and it is contrary to the total body of statements in the entire book of Romans.

Indeed, the few Rapture Cultists that have an ounce of honesty left will confess that when they first read the statement "all Israel shall be saved," they were taken aback by the odd statement. It's abrupt insertion represents a sudden shift in the flow of the chapter as it seemingly jumps to a conclusion that is not consistent with the prior verses. The truth is, the verse is right where it's supposed to be - it is the false perspective of Dispensationalism that causes the narrative to seem disjointed.

Without the assumption that the Christians, utilizing the shell of the "church," are a separate group from Israel, the entire system of dispensationalism collapses under the weight of its own preposterous suppositions. The total body of New Testament teaching, particularly Paul's writings in this very book and this very chapter, categorically testify that the Old Testament order of salvation based upon one's physical lineage is now forever done away with in Christ.

It is through "faith" that salvation is based (verse 20), not a reliance upon physical heritage - e.g. "They who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God" (Romans 9:8).

The true understanding of the conclusion that Paul has reached may also be seen by reversing the components of the statement. Speaking of the "good olive tree," Paul has stated that this new, engrafted version of Israel will reach its apex - its "all" or its "fullness - at the point when the last of the Gentiles that are scheduled to be saved has "come in." In the concluding statement of the verse, he again asserts that this "fullness" is a fulfillment of the prophecies that God will remember Israel.

Paul quotes Isaiah 59:20 which reads "And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the Lord." The idea that salvation is for the "part" of natural Israel that turns "from transgression" to the "deliverer" is in view.

 

[for_his_glory]

Israel lost her right to be called Gods chosen people, (God did save a faithful remnant), as they fell into idolatry worshiping other gods as they allowed themselves to fall from Gods grace as they followed the lust of their own hearts as they practiced Judaism, 1 Kings 9:1-9. God’s judgment against them led them to be captured, 605 – 537 B.C., by Nebuchadnezzar and taken into Babylon for seventy years while Nebuchadnezzar’s army killed many Jews in Judah and Jerusalem destroying the whole city of Jerusalem including the first Temple that was built through King Solomon’s reign in Jerusalem.

The second Temple was built under Ezra’s leadership and Israel continued practicing Judaism and their Temple was desecrated as part of an effort to impose Greek-oriented culture and customs on the entire population. Roman rule refurbished the temple as Herod, Romans vassal king, rules the land of Israel. In 70 A.D. the Temple is once again destroyed. The Temple Mount was taken over in 691 A.D. as the Arab nation built the Dome of the Rock and there has not been any other Temple built since that time on the original Temple Mount.

God gave Israel 490 years to repent. They were set free from Babylon when the Medes and Persian conquered Babylon (Chaldean's) around 538 B.C. They were allowed back in the land and to rebuild the city of Jerusalem, however, they still did not repent for their sin of idol worshiping and they continued to receive punishment from God as the kingdom was taken away and eventually taken over by the Roman Empire. Malachi Chapter 1-4.

The 490 years were up and many of the Jews not only did not repent but they killed the very Messiah they had been waiting for as well as in 24 A.D. they made an opened display of rejecting the Gospel message as they stoned Stephen being the final messenger that was sent to give them their last chance to repent. The Jews were now rejected as God’s chosen people and were no different from the Gentiles as from that time forth each individual, Jew and Gentile has to make their own decision to accept or reject Jesus as Lord and Savior, John 3:3-7; Romans 10:9, 10.

 

[Keraz]

No matter how you slice it, the only saved entity in Scripture is Israel, and the Apostle Paul clearly articulated the body of Christian believers is one body, comprised of former Jews and former Gentiles, who have been born again as a new creation – The Israel Of God.

Thank you, your posts are refreshing and Biblically correct.
Israel literally means an Overcomer for God, which only applies to Christians. Who are from every tribe, race, nation and language; Rev 5:9-10 They are mentioned as being present on each of the Seven Churchs of Revelation.

Israeli's are the citizens of the State of Israel, a name they have falsely usurped. People like to think God has helped them in their many wars. BUT was it God? They surely don't acknowledge that!
The idea of a general Jewish redemption, is refuted by many Prophesies. It is a lie to support the rapture of the Church false theory.

The House of Judah lost the Kingdom and their 'chosen' status 2000 years ago. Matthew 21:43
Many Prophesies tell of their virtual demise. Zechariah 13:8-9, Ezekiel 21:1-7, Luke 19:27, Matthew 8:12

 

[Whatever]

as they fell into idolatry worshiping other gods

I've been wondering about Solomon.

Matthew 24:13 But he who endures to the end shall be saved.

1 Kings 11:4 For it was so, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned his heart after other gods; and his heart was not loyal to the LORD his God, as was the heart of his father David. 5 For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Sidonians, and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites. 6 Solomon did evil in the sight of the LORD, and did not fully follow the LORD, as did his father David. 7 Then Solomon built a high place for Chemosh the abomination of Moab, on the hill that is east of Jerusalem, and for Molech the abomination of the people of Ammon. 8 And he did likewise for all his foreign wives, who burned incense and sacrificed to their gods.

It doesn't seem to me that Solomon endured to the end.

 

[RedPill]

I've been wondering about Solomon....It doesn't seem to me that Solomon endured to the end.

I can't find any scriptural justification that would confirm his salvation.

Imagine that! The sharpest knife in the drawer - and he's gone.

Just another guy educated beyond his intelligence? Scripture does say that the children of the world are wiser than the children of light (Luke 16:8).

Also, the multigenerational satanically bloodlined banking families that are in control of the world dynamic today worship Solomon, and not Jesus, because Solomon via his carnal temple sought to climb up some other way (John 10:1).

 

[for_his_glory]

I've been wondering about Solomon.

Matthew 24:13 But he who endures to the end shall be saved.

1 Kings 11:4 For it was so, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned his heart after other gods; and his heart was not loyal to the LORD his God, as was the heart of his father David. 5 For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Sidonians, and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites. 6 Solomon did evil in the sight of the LORD, and did not fully follow the LORD, as did his father David. 7 Then Solomon built a high place for Chemosh the abomination of Moab, on the hill that is east of Jerusalem, and for Molech the abomination of the people of Ammon. 8 And he did likewise for all his foreign wives, who burned incense and sacrificed to their gods.

It doesn't seem to me that Solomon endured to the end.

No he did not after being enticed to follow after other gods. Just as it was then with Solomon, so it is today with so many following after other gods as there are over 5000 different religions in the world and not all are of the God of all creation.

 

[Keraz]

It is essential to realize that modern Israel is not the true Israel of God but imposters who have usurped the birthright name Israel from the house of Israel, who lost their national identity when they were taken captive by the Assyrians circa 745-715 BC. The people of Israel were dispersed among the nations and lost the knowledge of their ancestry, as it is still today.

If we want to look for the lost house of Israel, the only logical place to look is in the Christianized nations of the West that were established in Europe and the British Isles and spread from there to North America, then around the world. The mission of Jesus to the lost sheep of Israel, Matthew 15:24, did not fail, but has been a resounding success!
If the atheistic and communist Zionists had taken the name Judah for their nation, they would have been closer to the truth, but even then it would not have been right, for that nation is more aligned with the birthright claims of Esau and Ishmael than with the sceptre of Judah.

Is the present-day Israel that rejects Christ; producing the fruit of the Kingdom? No! Why? Because Jesus' judgment still stands: May no one ever eat fruit from you again! Matthew 21:19

Pay close attention to Jesus' Word. Many today believe that the modern-day Israel will bear fruit simply because they claim to have the correct genes that make them God's chosen people. Genes do not make one God's chosen, faith does, regardless of one's race, color, gender or language. Ephesians 2:11-18​

 

[Keraz]

Be instructed, Judah

Jeremiah 6:8-15 Be instructed, Jerusalem [Judah, the Jewish people], or your God will depart from you and will devastate the Land. Isaiah 22:11-14

The Lord says: Glean like a vine the remnant of Israel, one last time, like the vine dresser – pass your hand over the branches. Isaiah 5:5-7

To whom shall I speak and give warning? Who will hear me? Their ears are blocked, they are incapable of listening. They treat the Lord’s Word as a reproach, it has no appeal for them. Ezekiel 22:26-31

But I am full of the anger of the Lord, I cannot hold it back. Isaiah 63:1-6 I must pour it out onto all the people of the Land. Their houses will be given to others.

For all the leaders and people only consider themselves, their prophets and Rabbis are all frauds, every one of them. They fail to address the real problems of their people. They say: “All is well”. All well? Nothing is right and just. They ought to be ashamed because of their sinful practices, yet they have no sense of shame, therefore they will fall with a great crash and be brought low on the Day of My reckoning. Jeremiah 8:8, Ezekiel 33:25-26, Isaiah 6:11-13



Jeremiah 6:16-30 The Lord says: you should enquire about the Way that leads to righteousness. But they said: “We refuse”. Then I appointed watchmen – listen for the call they told them. But they said: “We refuse”. Therefore hear you nations and take note of the plight of these people. I am about to bring ruin upon them, for all their sinful ways and ignoring My instructions. Your sacrifices are not acceptable and your offerings do not please Me. Isaiah 22:14, Zephaniah 1:4-6, Matthew 24:41-42

Therefore the Lord says: I will set obstacles before this people, which will bring them to the ground, father, sons, friends and neighbours will all perish together. Jeremiah 12:14-17 A great host appears, like men arrayed for battle, against you; Zion.

News of their coming has reached us and our hands hang limp, agony grips us, pangs as of a woman in labour. Do not go outside, for the foe will smite you there, as terror is spread around the world. Mourn and wail as the despoiler comes upon us in an instant. Isaiah 10:17, Isaiah 29:5-6, Zechariah 1:14-18 & 3:8, Revelation 6:12-17

It is appointed to assay My people, testing their conduct, but they are all rebels, mischief makers and corrupt to a man. The bellows blow, the fire is ready. All types of metal in vain the refiner refines, but the impurities cannot be removed. Call them reject silver, for God has rejected them. Matthew 21:43 Ref: REB.

All of this prophecy in Jeremiah is telling us about the coming judgement/punishment by fire– the Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath. This terrifying event will affect all the world, but especially the Middle East and all this prophecy applies specifically to Judah, the current inhabitants of part of the holy Land. Jeremiah 12:14, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Ezekiel 21:1-17

‘a great host appears, like men ready for battle’ This description, along with Joel 2:1-11, is a simile for what will happen. These verses say how the Lord will act on His great Day of vengeance and wrath: Isaiah 63:1-6, Rev 6:12-17 A coronal mass ejection flash will ‘come in an instant’, seen in eight minutes, Isaiah 30:26, but the main mass of superheated hydrogen will take about 24 hours to travel to earth and ‘news of its coming will reach us’. ‘Do not go outside’, is obvious – get into shelter and stay there until it passes, Isaiah 26:20-21, ‘as terror is spread around the world,’ for at least 24hrs. Psalms 18:7-15, Isaiah 2:12-21, Zeph. 1:14-18, 2 Peter 3:7&10 Their houses will be given to others’. Ps. 69:33-36
Note: the parallel between Zechariah 13:9 and Jeremiah 6:28-30 The 1/3 are NOT saved, as the 'rapture' believers like to think. Only a small remnant of Israeli Jews will survive the Lords fiery wrath. As Isaiah 29:1-4 confirms..

 

[Whatever]

These verses say how the Lord will act on His great Day of vengeance and wrath:

And I believe it happened around AD70 when Jerusalem was sacked and the temple torn down.

Matthew 21:43 Therefore I tell you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people producing its fruits.

 

[Keraz]

And I believe it happened around AD70 when Jerusalem was sacked and the temple torn down.

There are over 100 Bible Prophesies that vividly describe the great Day of the Lords vengeance and wrath, None of them can be applied to the events of 70 to 135 AD.
Revelation 6:12-17 is the next Prophesied event we can expect. Why should it take us by surprise?

We are told what it is the Lord will use, Isaiah 30:26a, and what we need to do on that terrible Day. Isaiah 26:20-21

Deuteronomy 32:34-35 All this [disasters] I have in reserve, sealed up in My storehouses until the Day of punishment and vengeance, until the moment when My enemies foot slips [makes a mistake] Their doom is fast approaching.

Psalms 37:13-15 The wicked plot against the righteous, but the Lord will laugh at them, as He sees their Day of judgement coming. Their own weapons will kill them. Jeremiah 49:35-37

1 Thessalonians 5:3 When they say: all is peaceful, sudden destruction will come. There will be no escape.