All Tradition is Bad?

[stovebolts]

Matthew 27:9 Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremiah the prophet, saying, And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the price of him that was valued, whom they of the children of Israel did value;

Look in your bibles... it references

Zechariah 11:12 And I said unto them, If you think it good, give me my price; and if not, forbear. So they weighed for my price thirty pieces of silver.
Zechariah 11:13 And the LORD said unto me, Cast it unto the potter: a princely price that I was valued at by them. And I took the thirty pieces of silver, and cast them to the potter in the house of the LORD.

Now hold on just a second, wasn't Zechariah a couple hundred years after Jeremiah? What's up with that?

Rumor has it that this was oral tradition...

Your thoughts?

 

[thessalonian]

There are others like it such as:

Matt.2
[23] And he went and dwelt in a city called Nazareth, that what was spoken by the prophets might be fulfilled, "He shall be called a Nazarene."


For this to be a prophecy it had to have been spoken long before this. Yet you will find it nowhere in the Old Testament.

We also have the information about Jannes and Jambres:

2Tim.3
[8] As Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so these men also oppose the truth, men of corrupt mind and counterfeit faith;
Others as well but that is the only one I can think of off the top of my head.

 

[thessalonian]

Also, rarely was anything that ended up in the Bible immediately written down as it occured. Moses was said to have written down the first five books of scripture going back to Adam. Before that it was carried on as oral tradition. The Gospels and letters didn't get written until 20-30 years after Pentecost. They were carried on orally for quite some time so I would certainly hope that all oral tradition is not bad. Especially since Paul says "hold fast to the TRADITIONS (note scripture is a tradition) you have recieved whether BY WORD OF MOUTH or in WRITING from us" 2 Thess 2:15.

 

[thessalonian]

For that matter I highly doudt Paul made copies of the Bible to give out to everyone. He would have needed a million copyists. It took 20 1 year to produce 1 Bible. No, Bibles were rare so in truth oral teaching/tradition was the mode the Church operated in primarily in the first four or five centuries at least. Bibles did not really become common until Guttenburg in the 15th century.

 

[Heidi]

Tradition is always good when the NT is followed in the church. But when the NT is not followed, then how can perpetuating it ever be good? :o

 

[reznwerks]

obvious

Why can't anyone here admit the obvious? It's an error plain and simple. You no longer need me to point it out. Matthew quoted Jeremiah and the silver story and the fact of the matter is Jeremiah never talked about it.

 

[Heidi]

Re: obvious

Why can't anyone here admit the obvious? It's an error plain and simple. You no longer need me to point it out. Matthew quoted Jeremiah and the silver story and the fact of the matter is Jeremiah never talked about it.

:o I'm not sure which scripture you're talking about, but trying to understand it through human wisdom will always backfire because human wisdom is fallible. So to which scripture are you referring?

 

[mutzrein]

Re: obvious

Why can't anyone here admit the obvious? It's an error plain and simple. You no longer need me to point it out. Matthew quoted Jeremiah and the silver story and the fact of the matter is Jeremiah never talked about it.

:o I'm not sure which scripture you're talking about, but trying to understand it through human wisdom will always backfire because human wisdom is fallible. So to which scripture are you referring?

He is referring to the potters field and the thirty pieces of silver (paid for betraying Jesus) that Matthew quotes as a fulfilment of a prophecy given by Jeremiah.

 

[Heidi]

Re: obvious

Why can't anyone here admit the obvious? It's an error plain and simple. You no longer need me to point it out. Matthew quoted Jeremiah and the silver story and the fact of the matter is Jeremiah never talked about it.

:o I'm not sure which scripture you're talking about, but trying to understand it through human wisdom will always backfire because human wisdom is fallible. So to which scripture are you referring?

He is referring to the potters field and the thirty pieces of silver (paid for betraying Jesus) that Matthew quotes as a fulfilment of a prophecy given by Jeremiah.

And how does he know Jeremiah never said that?

 

[TruthMiner]

Re: obvious

Why can't anyone here admit the obvious? It's an error plain and simple. You no longer need me to point it out. Matthew quoted Jeremiah and the silver story and the fact of the matter is Jeremiah never talked about it.

:o I'm not sure which scripture you're talking about, but trying to understand it through human wisdom will always backfire because human wisdom is fallible. So to which scripture are you referring?

He is referring to the potters field and the thirty pieces of silver (paid for betraying Jesus) that Matthew quotes as a fulfilment of a prophecy given by Jeremiah.

And how does he know Jeremiah never said that?

ROTFLOL.

You can't be serious.

 

[JM]

We all have traditions...we just can't build doctrine on them.

 

[stovebolts]

Re: obvious

Why can't anyone here admit the obvious? It's an error plain and simple. You no longer need me to point it out. Matthew quoted Jeremiah and the silver story and the fact of the matter is Jeremiah never talked about it.

So your saying that the Bible is in error? :

 

[stovebolts]

Just so everyone knows why I was laughing in my last post, it's because it amazes me how a person would try to discredit the Bible because they refused to believe oral tradition that was handed down for several hundred years..

Yes, I should not have laughed as it's really not funny.

 

[stovebolts]

Hello TruthMiner,
Welcome to the boards. :D

So tell us sir, what is your opinion so we may see your theology. Is the Bible in error or is there weight in oral tradition?

Good day :wink: