Allah is a blasphemy of God's name.

[JudaicChristian]

This is a warning to all Christians to repent of this error. Yahwah was never known as Allah before the days of Mohammad. Aramaic and Arabic for the word God is [ IL ], as in Israil. Ancient Hebrew was also IL, but later changed to EL. Yahwah is God's personal name and all of the other names are titles. Eloah means "God of Above." Elohiym means "God of the Living" or, God of Life." Also, elohiym can translate as "gods of life," for those who have life immortal. Allah is not a Hebrew word for God, or a concept of God. Allah is not in the bible, and Yahwah is not in the Quran. The Arabic people knew the God of Abraham as Yahwah according to the Moabite Stone. From the days of Abraham, Allah, AKA Alilah was known as the morning sun god. Translation of Alilah: "The god ascends." If you are truly seeking and listening, then truth would be narrowly defined, and not broad and all encompassing. Most always the interpretation "The Lord" is used in place of God's personal name Yahwah. Saying that Yahwah is Allah is a serious blasphemy against the God of Abraham.

 

[kenan]

This is a warning to all Christians to repent of this error. Yahwah was never known as Allah before the days of Mohammad. Aramaic and Arabic for the word God is [ IL ], as in Israil. Ancient Hebrew was also IL, but later changed to EL. Yahwah is God's personal name and all of the other names are titles. Eloah means "God of Above." Elohiym means "God of the Living" or, God of Life." Also, elohiym can translate as "gods of life," for those who have life immortal. Allah is not a Hebrew word for God, or a concept of God. Allah is not in the bible, and Yahwah is not in the Quran. The Arabic people knew the God of Abraham as Yahwah according to the Moabite Stone. From the days of Abraham, Allah, AKA Alilah was known as the morning sun god. Translation of Alilah: "The god ascends." If you are truly seeking and listening, then truth would be narrowly defined, and not broad and all encompassing. Most always the interpretation "The Lord" is used in place of God's personal name Yahwah. Saying that Yahwah is Allah is a serious blasphemy against the God of Abraham.

*facepalm* Come off it mate. Allah means "the God", nothing else, end of story. Stop being a religious bigot and face the facts.

 

[TheUnworthyServant]

This is a warning to all Christians to repent of this error. Yahwah was never known as Allah before the days of Mohammad. Aramaic and Arabic for the word God is [ IL ], as in Israil. Ancient Hebrew was also IL, but later changed to EL. Yahwah is God's personal name and all of the other names are titles. Eloah means "God of Above." Elohiym means "God of the Living" or, God of Life." Also, elohiym can translate as "gods of life," for those who have life immortal. Allah is not a Hebrew word for God, or a concept of God. Allah is not in the bible, and Yahwah is not in the Quran. The Arabic people knew the God of Abraham as Yahwah according to the Moabite Stone. From the days of Abraham, Allah, AKA Alilah was known as the morning sun god. Translation of Alilah: "The god ascends." If you are truly seeking and listening, then truth would be narrowly defined, and not broad and all encompassing. Most always the interpretation "The Lord" is used in place of God's personal name Yahwah. Saying that Yahwah is Allah is a serious blasphemy against the God of Abraham.

*facepalm* Come off it mate. Allah means "the God", nothing else, end of story. Stop being a religious bigot and face the facts.

Exodus 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain, for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

A study of the third commandment:
http://www.theunworthyservant.com/the-third-commandment.html

 

[kenan]

Exodus 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain, for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

A study of the third commandment:
http://www.theunworthyservant.com/the-third-commandment.html

>implying that if I call Yahweh "God", I am blaspheming his name

The Jews believed that to called him Yahweh was blasphemy - to call him by his own name was blasphemy. Many also believe that to call him anything other than his name is to attribute to him man-made qualities, which is also blasphemy. Why do you call him God? Why can't Arabs call him Allah?

Allah means God, nothing more, nothing less. Like I said, stop being a religious bigot and realise that "Allah", "God", "Lord", "Elohim", etc. are all words referring to the God we don't know the name of, because the Hebrew vowel points were lost in antiquity.

Also, a study of the third commandment? It's a sentence long, it's very clear - taking God's name in vain is taking him as something less than our Saviour, Lord, friend, companion. You are guilty if you do this, not if you give him a nickname as you do your other lifelong friends - what are we supposed to do? We don't know his name.

 

[JudaicChristian]

Exodus 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain, for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

A study of the third commandment:
http://www.theunworthyservant.com/the-third-commandment.html

>implying that if I call Yahweh "God", I am blaspheming his name

The Jews believed that to called him Yahweh was blasphemy - to call him by his own name was blasphemy. Many also believe that to call him anything other than his name is to attribute to him man-made qualities, which is also blasphemy. Why do you call him God? Why can't Arabs call him Allah?

Allah means God, nothing more, nothing less. Like I said, stop being a religious bigot and realise that "Allah", "God", "Lord", "Elohim", etc. are all words referring to the God we don't know the name of, because the Hebrew vowel points were lost in antiquity.

Also, a study of the third commandment? It's a sentence long, it's very clear - taking God's name in vain is taking him as something less than our Saviour, Lord, friend, companion. You are guilty if you do this, not if you give him a nickname as you do your other lifelong friends - what are we supposed to do? We don't know his name.

It is not a blasphemy to speak His Name, it is a blasphemy to misuse His name. Calling Yahwah Allah is a abuse of His true Holy name. Yahwah is not a Pagan god.

 

[JudaicChristian]

Exodus 20:3. "You shall have no other gods (Elohiyms) before me.
Deuteronomy 4:35. You were shown these things so that you might know that the LORD (Yahwah) is God (Elohiym); besides Him there is no other.
Deuteronomy 4:39. Acknowledge and take to heart this day that the LORD (Yahwah) is God (Elohiym) in heaven above and on the earth below. There is no other.
Deuteronomy 5:7. "You shall have no other gods (Elohiyms) before me.
Deuteronomy 6:4. Hear, O Israel: The Lord (Yahwah) our God (Elohiym), the LORD (Yahwah) is one (only.)
1 Kings 8:60. So that all the peoples of the earth may know that the LORD (Yahwah) is God (Elohiym) and that there is no other.
Isaiah 42:8. "I am the LORD (Yahwah); that is my name! I will not give my glory to another or my praise to idols.

Isaiah 43:10. "You are my witnesses," declares the LORD (Yahwah), "and my servant (Yahshua) whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe me and understand that I am He. Before me no god (el) was formed, nor will there be one after me.
Isaiah 44:8. Do not tremble, do not be afraid. Did I not proclaim this and foretell it long ago? You are my witnesses. Is there any God (Eloah) besides me? No, there is no other Rock; I know not one."

Isaiah 45:5. I am the LORD (Yahwah), and there is no other; apart from me there is no God (Elohiym).

6. so that from the rising of the sun to the place of its setting men may know there is none besides me. I am the LORD (Yahwah), and there is no other.
Isaiah 45:14. This is what the LORD (Yahwah) says: "The products of Egypt and the merchandise of Cush, and those tall Sabeans— they will come over to you and will be yours; they will trudge behind you, coming over to you in chains. They will bow down before you and plead with you, saying, 'Surely God (El) is with you, and there is no other; there is no other god (Elohiym).' "
Isaiah 45:18. For this is what the LORD (Yahwah) says: He who created the heavens, He is God (Elohiym); He who fashioned and made the earth, He founded it; He did not create it to be empty, but formed it to be inhabited: He says: "I am the LORD (Yahwah), and there is no other.
Isaiah 45:22. "Turn to me and be saved, all you ends of the earth; for I am God (El), and there is no other.
Isaiah 46:9. Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God (El), and there is no other; I am God (Elohiym), and there is none like me.
Joel 2:27. Then you will know that I am in Israel, that I am the LORD (Yahwah) your God (Elohiym), and that there is no other; never again will my people be shamed.

 

[kenan]

If this wasn't a Christian forum where inappropriate language is considered *ahem* inappropriate, I would be seriously cussing and raging right now because it's astounding to see the ignorance and intolerance demonstrated by you guys. So let me put it simply:

ALLAH MEANS "THE GOD".

Pretty simple right? It should be. Are you calling Arab Christians blasphemers for calling God Allah? What about Germans for calling him Gott, or Greeks for calling him Theos? Allah is no different, except that judgmental people like yourselves give Muslims and the peaceful religion of Islam a bad stigma which has been perpetrated by a very small minority of them, just as the Ku Klux Klan is a small group of Christians that have taken part in horrifically racist and intolerant acts.

You're not showing people the glory of God when you're being racist, intolerant and ignorant of other peoples' beliefs and cultures, you're just playing the Fool - you guys are examples of why so many people are forsaking Christianity, and why I myself have stopped conforming to traditional Christianity, because it's so full of fanatics and religious bigots and I can't help but feel unclean by even associating with them. Please, just stop, take a long, hard look at yourselves, and pray to the Lord to give you guidance.

Oh, and btw, mdo757, El refers to both the Lord our God, and a Semitic idol god. Just thought you should know before you say that to call God "Allah" is a sin just because of the word association.

edit: also, mdo757, please stop using such huge text all the time - if you want to use it to emphasise a point, do so, but using it all the time just makes what you've written very hard to read, and the fact that your posts are so unstructured makes it even harder - I can assure you that people won't take your posts very seriously if you continue in the manner that you are doing so.

 

[Vince]

Since Allah is evil, and God is good, how can they be the same person?

 

[kenan]

Since Allah is evil, and God is good, how can they be the same person?

:mad

Wow, you're not listening are you - as I've said, very clearly and once in bold typeset, Allah is the Arabic word meaning "the God". But, since we're getting into the actual Muslim God known as Allah, I'll bite.

How is Allah evil? What do you base your assumption that God is good upon, and why does this assumption not apply to Allah? I could easily combat any verse where there appears to be apparently abhorrent behavior of Allah with an equally evil verse of the atrocities committed by Yahweh (atrocities by our standards at least).

Is he evil because he's not, according to you, Yahweh? That, frankly, is a disturbing prospect, and one that can't be backed up in any possible way because there are Muslims that believe the Jewish/Christian God is evil because he is not Allah (or, at least, not the correct representation of Allah) - what exactly makes you right, and them wrong? It's relative isn't it.

Let me ask you something: are idols, or other polytheistic gods, evil? Does Yahweh prohibit the worship of idols because they are not him, or because they are evil? Well, it's the first one - show me the verse that Yahweh says that idols are inherently evil because they are not Yahweh and I will probably renounce my faith. Have you ever studied comparative religion? The many gods in Hinduism are marvelous, venerable characters - Hanuman is very much perfect in his actions and will, and is as good and probably better than any human (except for the role model of Jesus Christ).

Is Hanuman evil because he is an idol? No, he's not - it's just simply immoral to submit to anyone other than the supreme creator and Lord of the universe, and Yahweh says this himself (albeit in different words). Again, find me the verse that says that idols are inherently evil because they are idols, and I will take no further part in this dying religion.

 

[Vince]

How is Allah evil? Look up "Jihad" on Google or Yahoo. You cannot be the Moslem Allah wants you to be unless you are a murderer.

 

[cyberjosh]

Wow, you're not listening are you - as I've said, very clearly and once in bold typeset, Allah is the Arabic word meaning "the God". But, since we're getting into the actual Muslim God known as Allah, I'll bite

So, to head off the linguistic problem at play here I suppose I should ask other Christians that if the Gospel was translated into Arabic (and it has been) would the would the Greek word Theos of necessity be translated 'Allah' from a literal/linguistic standpoint? Second, to avoid obvious problems could it be translated in such a way as to not confuse God the Father with Allah?

It is not a blasphemy to speak His Name, it is a blasphemy to misuse His name. Calling Yahwah Allah is a abuse of His true Holy name. Yahwah is not a Pagan god.

I actually would agree with that.

Eloah means "God of Above." Elohiym means "God of the Living" or, God of Life." Also, elohiym can translate as "gods of life," for those who have life immortal.

I don't think those supposed translations are on good linguistic ground - although in the courtesy of fairness I am willing to evaluate your sources for such information (if you have them). Eloah probably does have some difference from just El (although translationally they are treated the same) because of the trailing hey (hebrew 'H'), which may indicate a different root (a three letter root, rather than the two letter 'el'). Elohim (aleph-lamed-hey-yod-mem) in any case is simply the plural of Eloah (aleph-lamed-hey). The translation of "living" or "life" seems to be a clear confusion of the Hebrew letter hey and the letter chet (which is a harsher 'H' sometimes best transliterated with a 'K' or 'Kh'), which gives the incorrect impression that Elohim ends in chai (life; chet-yod, rather than what it actually says: hey-yod-mem) - which also consequently disregards the mem ending and also ignores the clear instance of a male, plural ending with yod-mem.

I'm just saying, that translation of "God of Life" is not correct because chai is not present in Elohim.

~Josh

 

[Orion]

It is not a blasphemy to speak His Name, it is a blasphemy to misuse His name. Calling Yahwah Allah is a abuse of His true Holy name. Yahwah is not a Pagan god.

Ummmmmm, . . . . . . Islam is not a pagan religion.

 

[Vince]

The statement that all the world's great religions teach the same thing is not true. The Koran commands you to be a murderer. Moslems will use Koran wording without telling people that the words do not have a Biblical meaning. For instance, the Koran commands a man to go about doing good. Elsewhere, it teaches that the greatest good is to murder non-Moslems.

 

[D4Christ]

Let me ask you something: idols, or other polytheistic gods, evil?s Yahweh prohibit the worship of idols because they are not him, or because they are evil? Well, it's the first one – show me the verse that Yahweh says that idols are inherently evil because they are not Yahweh and I will probably renounce my faith. Have you ever studied comparative religion? The many gods in Hinduism are marvelous, venerable characters - Hanuman is very much perfect in his actions and will, and is as good and probably better than any human (except for the role model of Jesus Christ).

Hanuman evil because he is an idol? No, he's nott's just simply immoral to submit to anyone other than the supreme creator and Lord of the universe, and Yahweh says this himself (albeit in different words)..

Hauman –Wikipedia

is one of the most popular concepts of devotees of God (bhakti) (devotion to God) in Hinduism and one of the most important personalities in the Indian epic Ramayana. He is considered by some to be the 11th incarnation (Rudra avatar) of Lord Shiva, and he most powerful and intelligent amongst divine beings. His most famous feat, as described in the Ramayana, was leading an army of monkeys to fight the demon King Ravana.

Hanuman is worshipped by villagers as a protective boundary guardian, by Shaiva ascetics as a Yogi and by wrestlers for his strength.[11] There are numerous temples for Hanuman, and his images are usually installed at all temples where images of avatars of Vishnu are installed. Hanuman temples are believed to keep the area and surroundings free of rakshasas and 'evils'. This was a presentational 'Varam' to him by Rama and Sita. Hanuman idols are found on mountain roads because it is believed that he protects people from accidents.

Is Hanuman evil because he is an idol…yes. But scriptures already let us know that “Not everyone who calls out to me, ‘Lord! Lord!’ will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Only those who actually do the will of my Father in heaven will enter.†(Matt 7:21)

Again, find me the verse that says that idols are inherently evil because they are idols, and I will take no further part in this dying religion

Deuteronomy 7
25 “You must burn their idols in fire, and you must not covet the silver or gold that covers them. You must not take it or it will become a trap to you, for it is detestable to the Lord your God. 26 Do not bring any detestable objects into your home, for then you will be destroyed, just like them. You must utterly detest such things, for they are set apart for destruction.

Jerimiah 10
Idols are worthless; they are ridiculous lies!On the day of reckoning they will all be destroyed.

Deut 4
“In the future, when you have children and grandchildren and have lived in the land a long time, do not corrupt yourselves by making idols of any kind. This is evil in the sight of the Lord your God and will arouse his anger.

Don’t let the door hit ya, where the good Lord split ya.;)

1 Cor 5

9 When I wrote to you before, I told you not to associate with people who indulge in sexual sin. 10 But I wasn’t talking about unbelievers who indulge in sexual sin, or are greedy, or cheat people, or worship idols. You would have to leave this world to avoid people like that. 11 I meant that you are not to associate with anyone who claims to be a believer yet indulges in sexual sin, or is greedy, or worships idols, or is abusive, or is a drunkard, or cheats people. Don’t even eat with such people.
12 It isn’t my responsibility to judge outsiders, but it certainly is your responsibility to judge those inside the church who are sinning. 13 God will judge those on the outside; but as the Scriptures say, “You must remove the evil person from amng you.â€

 

[TheUnworthyServant]

Exodus 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain, for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

A study of the third commandment:
http://www.theunworthyservant.com/the-third-commandment.html

>implying that if I call Yahweh "God", I am blaspheming his name

The Jews believed that to called him Yahweh was blasphemy - to call him by his own name was blasphemy. Many also believe that to call him anything other than his name is to attribute to him man-made qualities, which is also blasphemy. Why do you call him God? Why can't Arabs call him Allah?

Allah means God, nothing more, nothing less. Like I said, stop being a religious bigot and realise that "Allah", "God", "Lord", "Elohim", etc. are all words referring to the God we don't know the name of, because the Hebrew vowel points were lost in antiquity.

Also, a study of the third commandment? It's a sentence long, it's very clear - taking God's name in vain is taking him as something less than our Saviour, Lord, friend, companion. You are guilty if you do this, not if you give him a nickname as you do your other lifelong friends - what are we supposed to do? We don't know his name.

It's obvious you didn't bother to check out the link I provided. Showing your resistance to learning more about God. That is a shame.

 

[seekandlisten]

How is Allah evil? Look up "Jihad" on Google or Yahoo. You cannot be the Moslem Allah wants you to be unless you are a murderer.

A false, misinformed, and slanderous statement.

http://www.ark-of-salvation.org/islam_jihad.htm

Here's a link for some reading to get you started if you wish to study the subject.

 

[seekandlisten]

The statement that all the world's great religions teach the same thing is not true. The Koran commands you to be a murderer. Moslems will use Koran wording without telling people that the words do not have a Biblical meaning. For instance, the Koran commands a man to go about doing good. Elsewhere, it teaches that the greatest good is to murder non-Moslems.

More misinformed information. Here you go.

http://islam.about.com/od/terrorism/f/t ... _verse.htm

Also realize there are just as many verses in the bible in support of 'smiting' those that are opposed to the 'God of Israel' just to be fair.

 

[Vince]

A false, misinformed, and slanderous statement.

No, it's a true, informed, and correct statement.

* The International Islamic Front for the Jihad Against Jews and Crusaders: Osama bin Laden's organization;
* Laskar Jihad: responsible for the murder of more than 10,000 Christians in Indonesia;
* Harakat ul-Jihad-i-Islami: a leading cause of violence in Kashmir;
* Palestinian Islamic Jihad: the most vicious anti-Israel terrorist group of them all;
* Egyptian Islamic Jihad: killed Anwar El-Sadat in 1981, many others since, and
* Yemeni Islamic Jihad: killed three American missionaries on Monday.

 

[seekandlisten]

A false, misinformed, and slanderous statement.

No, it's a true, informed, and correct statement.

* The International Islamic Front for the Jihad Against Jews and Crusaders: Osama bin Laden's organization;
* Laskar Jihad: responsible for the murder of more than 10,000 Christians in Indonesia;
* Harakat ul-Jihad-i-Islami: a leading cause of violence in Kashmir;
* Palestinian Islamic Jihad: the most vicious anti-Israel terrorist group of them all;
* Egyptian Islamic Jihad: killed Anwar El-Sadat in 1981, many others since, and
* Yemeni Islamic Jihad: killed three American missionaries on Monday.

Well I see you skipped the reading and went straight to assumptions. Using the same method lets look at 'Christianity'.

"December 25, 1984: An abortion clinic and two physicians' offices in Pensacola, Florida were bombed in the early morning of Christmas Day by a quartet of young people (Matt Goldsby, Jimmy Simmons, Kathy Simmons, Kaye Wiggins) who later called the bombings "a gift to Jesus on his birthday."

"According to NAF, since 1977 in the United States and Canada, property crimes committed against abortion providers have included 41 bombings, 173 arsons, 91 attempted bombings or arsons, 619 bomb threats, 1630 incidents of trespassing, 1264 incidents of vandalism, and 100 attacks with butyric acid ("stink bombs")."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence

Nigeria's Witch Children
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/de ... heobserver

You also got the hatred toward the homosexual community, hatred towards Islam, etc. If you go back in history their is plenty of violence to be found committed by those who claim to be 'Christians'.

Gary North (Institute for Christian Economics)
"The long-term goal of Christians in politics should be to gain exclusive control over the franchise. Those who refuse to submit publicly to the eternal sanctions of God by submitting to His Church's public marks of the covenant–baptism and holy communion–must be denied citizenship."

"This is God's world, not Satan's. Christians are the lawful heirs, not non-Christians."

Gary Potter (Catholics for Christian Political Action)
"When the Christian majority takes over this country, there will be no satanic churches, no more free distribution of pornography, no more talk of rights for homosexuals. After the Christian majority takes control, pluralism will be seen as immoral and evil and the state will not permit anybody the right to practice evil."

Ann Coulter
"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war."

"Not all Muslims may be terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims."

Fred Phelps (Westboro Baptist Church)
"Hear the word of the LORD, America, fag-enablers are worse than the fags themselves, and will be punished in the everlasting lake of fire!"

"Not only is homosexuality a sin, but anyone who supports fags is just as guilty as they are. You are both worthy of death."

J. B. Stoner
"We had lost the fight for the preservation of the white race until God himself intervened in earthly affairs with AIDS to rescue and preserve the white race that he had created.... I praise God all the time for AIDS."



Obviously the minority extremists for both sides aren't acting in accordance to what Jesus or Muhammed taught now are they?

edited note: I thought I would add here before anyone flys of the handle with 'well what about this' or 'what about that' statements. The point I'm trying to make is you can't come to conclusions based on the small minority. The points I put forward in regards to 'Christian' extremists are probably the types of 'sources' that are 'preached' to the 'Muslim' extremists just as the slander 'preached' by 'Christian' leaders here in the West doesn't accurately portray the 'whole' religion. This type of 'action' has to stop so that the 'voice' of the 'true believers' is heard from both sides. Who is going to stand up and put an end to the 'illusion'? If one hasn't researched don't make assumptions without first taking in information from both sides of the bias.

 

[Vince]

A difference here is that the Bible forbids murder, while the Koran commands it. The Bible tells us "We know that no murderer has eternal life." Murderers who call themselves Christians are not. Murderers who call themselves Moslems are.