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Am I a doomed moralist?

cyberjosh

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Morals without atleast a little good theology aren't the best morals, so I would like to appeal a few of my thoughts and questions to you here.

I have something in specific that I had a question on now, but I plan to put forth other moral questions later, so this will not be a limited scope topic.

As for my current (though looking at it in retrospect) moral debacle/question:

I have significantly eased my conscience about this issue but the the tantalizing question is "was it enough?" crops up.

Ok here was my situation:

At work I was asked to go pick up some labels for our company at a business in town. Now I'm not old enough to drive the company car, so I use my own car. The company (IMC, where I work) always gives gas money to the people it sends out. So I asked Gail, who handles our expenses for some gas money before I left and she handed me a $20 bill. I looked at it kind of wide eyed because the town I was going to was only 20-25 miles away and that was way too much money for compensation. I looked at her and said, "Are you sure, that's alot of money for gas." She said to just take it, so I did. On the way back from town I got into a philosophical/moral mood and started debating if I should give the money back, because it still made me uncomfortable. It's just like if a cashier gives you too much money for change, the honest thing to do is to tell them about it and give it back. I'm not a greedy person and I don't like exploiting even things offered to me, so I started wondering on this. I resolved at the end of it all that I would take only $6 for gas and give the other $14 back. Now in all truth I'll bet I only burned $4 worth of gas. Although I know I did the right thing in giving most of the money back, what about the other $2?

Is it good business ethics to pay only dime-for-dime an expense, or is it acceptable to give people a little more than they spent in compensation? I kinda look at the last one as a "money for your trouble" type of compensation, and I know typically that IMC would do this, and has done it. Is it common among other businesses to give a slightly larger sum in return for a personal expense (my car's gas in this instance) while conducting business?

And I also think another key player in my thought process was amount of money. To most people, a couple dollars, $5 or less, isn't alot (some people could care less about a few bucks), and then around ten its a little more valueable, at twenty even more so. etc etc. I tend (and most people also) to look at this along an exponential curve. So at what point (in dollar amount or proportion) would you be accepting more than is reasonable or fair compensation? Say I had only taken $5 instead, say I had taken $7.

Am I taking this out of proportion or.....? Just a interesting moral question. Please tell me your thoughts...
 
Hi Cybershark,
The way to deal with that, is as follows.
When you leave your work place, top off the tank.
Run the errand.
Before you return to the work place, top off the tank.
Now you know exactly how much you spent on gas running the errand.
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Always get receipts!
 
Gas is only part of your driving expense. You have other expenses and risks associated with driving (depreciation, insurance, maintenance, etc.), that you deserve to be compensated for. For example, the IRS allows 48.5 cents/mile deduction for work use of your car (minus what you're compensated for). That works out to nearly 24 dollars in your case (you can deduct more if you can show actual expenses). So, 20 dollars seems fair, not including your hourly wage.
 
what's more important to you: your integrity or a couple bucks?
 
Gas is only part of your driving expense. You have other expenses and risks associated with driving (depreciation, insurance, maintenance, etc.), that you deserve to be compensated for. For example, the IRS allows 48.5 cents/mile deduction for work use of your car (minus what you're compensated for). That works out to nearly 24 dollars in your case (you can deduct more if you can show actual expenses). So, 20 dollars seems fair, not including your hourly wage.

Interesting, I didn't know that. I obviously realized that I burned a small amount of oil along the way also, but... But moral questions/decisions can also be relative to what you know at the moment you make them. :)

At least though I know I have a conscience. :) And Gabby had a good suggestion, perhaps this could have been avoided had expense conpensations been rendered after the trip. But regardless, you have to put yourself in that same situation, I can't change it now. I think perhaps I looked at it at the time as a "money for your trouble" compensation like I mentioned earlier. I dunno, I somehow "felt" like $6 was a fair compensation and I honestly returned the rest, I think I just second guessed myself.

Say there wasn't some logical explanation though in a similar situation, what standard do you measure up against? I had a thought on the way home that our basic human standard that we can default upon is God's command of the Golden Rule. I acted instinctively how I would have acted if I had asked someone to run an errand for me. I personally would have given them more in means of compensation than their expense.

I don't know if these are attepts to clarify or justify something in a gray area, or if such conscience standards are valid. I had to ask though.
 
cybershark5886 said:
Interesting, I didn't know that. I obviously realized that I burned a small amount of oil along the way also, but... But moral questions/decisions can also be relative to what you know at the moment you make them. :)

If you feel guilty doing something, then you shouldn't do it. If you felt guilty taking $20 from your boss for the trip, then you should have returned some of the money. If you do things that you feel guilty about, you are sinning.

But, the point I'm making is that your car has value, beyond the gas. If you're making a trip for a friend, gas money is fair. But, this is a busines relationship. If you had crashed your car, your boss wouldn't have given you a penny to cover your costs. You would be stuck with your deductable, probably higher insurance rates, and maybe even personal injury. Then you would come to realize that 20 bucks isn't so much, after all.

Incidently, I think the IRS standard deduction is too generous.
 
what's more important to you: your integrity or a couple bucks?

My integrity obviously. And if I didn't have any integrity I wouldn't have returned any of it. :) But you are absolutely correct.

I still have the question of the golden rule (which I mentioned above) standing which I would like to have answered. Perhaps this is a valid standard only in some situations. Perhaps consultation of the company's terms for money expenditure should be made first. But I must say I had to make the decisions very suddenly, so perhaps I will be better equiped next time now that I've had time to think them through.
 
One more suggestion:

The next time that your employer needs someone to run another errand, volunteer. Explain that you felt over compensated for the last one, and that you feel as if it would cover the next trip as well. Then call it even.

:lilangel:

The preceding advice was given from one who feels guilty when vending machines give extra change or more than one snack....
 
If you feel guilty doing something, then you shouldn't do it. If you felt guilty taking $20 from your boss for the trip, then you should have returned some of the money. If you do things that you feel guilty about, you are sinning.

Very true. That brings to mind Romans 14:23.

And that makes me wonder what that means when we are ignorant of certain issues...

Thank you for the edification my brethren. I will be sure to try to practice my business ethics better in the future. I just needed to get the "fuzzy" issues out of the way.

God Bless,

Josh
 
But, the point I'm making is that your car has value, beyond the gas. If you're making a trip for a friend, gas money is fair. But, this is a busines relationship. If you had crashed your car, your boss wouldn't have given you a penny to cover your costs. You would be stuck with your deductable, probably higher insurance rates, and maybe even personal injury. Then you would come to realize that 20 bucks isn't so much, after all.

Hmmm... true. I know the insurance risks. Perhaps once I turn 21 this will no longer be a problem as I will be able to legally drive the company vehicle.

Explain that you felt over compensated for the last one, and that you feel as if it would cover the next trip as well. Then call it even.

Interesting suggestion. I might try that.

And now I go advise you to beg supplication of the vending machine god. j/k :P
 
cybershark5886 said:
Explain that you felt over compensated for the last one, and that you feel as if it would cover the next trip as well. Then call it even.

Interesting suggestion. I might try that.

And now I go advise you to beg supplication of the vending machine god. j/k :P

I figured they have robbed me enough to call that even also. Amazing how we justify things.
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I figured they have robbed me enough to call that even also. Amazing how we justify things.

I know. And when things as silly as your vending machine problem happen to me, the first thing I ask is "Why me?" Why is something typically amoral now become a moral issue to me? :D Dang now I have to justify it to get myself out of this rediculous situation! :P
 
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