Apart from Tongues, 1 Corinthians 14 could describe an "on fire" Cessationist church during Bible Study

[Alfred Persson]

Everyone assumes the Corinthian "prophets" were like the prophets in the book of Acts. But in context, Paul says everyone in Church "can all prophesy one by one." Later, he explicitly says the "Word of God" came to the Corinthians [through the apostles like him], not from any of the tongues prophecy or revelations the Corinthians were giving:

29 Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others judge (1252 διακρίνω diakrino).
30 But if anything is revealed to another who sits by, let the first keep silent.
31 For you can all prophesy one by one, that all may learn and all may be encouraged.
32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
33 For God is not the author of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints.
...
36 Or did the word of God come originally from you? Or was it you only that it reached?
37 If anyone thinks himself to be a prophet or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things which I write to you are the commandments of the Lord.
38 But if anyone is ignorant, let him be ignorant. (1 Cor. 14:29-38 NKJ)

Everyone can "judge/discriminate/separate" (1252 διακρίνω diakrino) prophecy, if it is of the flesh or really some great insight given by the Holy Spirit into the Word of God.

Whoever "forth tells" Scripture is a prophet in the truest sense of the world, speaking the word of God. Any believer can do that. When the pews are filled with on fire believers, this could easily describe them as they share their testimonies and do Bible readings:

How is it then, brethren? Whenever you come together, each of you has a psalm, has a teaching, has a tongue, has a revelation, has an interpretation. Let all things be done for edification. (1 Cor. 14:26 NKJ)

Every believer receives revelations from God the Holy Spirit while reading Scripture, psalms or teaching and we share that with each other in church and during Bible Study.

So apart from tongues, which were a sign to the Jews (1 Cor. 14:21-22) that Jesus Christ is now the way the truth and the life; That sign was no longer needed once the Temple was destroyed and with it Judaism because the genealogical tables that made the Levitical Priesthood possible were destroyed with it.


The Corinthian Church actually resembles a Cessationist church MORE than a modern Pentecostal Church. The majority in Corinth wanted to forbid the speaking in tongues but Paul wouldn't let them (1 Cor. 14:39). That don't sound like a Pentecostal Church where everyone is speaking in tongues, at all. But one can easily see its like a modern Cessationist Church.

 

[hawkman]

So apart from tongues, which were a sign to the Jews (1 Cor. 14:21-22) that Jesus Christ is now the way the truth and the life; That sign was no longer needed once the Temple was destroyed and with it Judaism because the genealogical tables that made the Levitical Priesthood possible were destroyed with it.

I have not found the word Jews in any version of 1Cor14:22 yet , I keep finding the word unbelievers . Not just for the Jews but for all unbelievers . https://www.biblehub.com/1_corinthians/14-22.htm
New King James Version
Therefore tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers; but prophesying is not for unbelievers but for those who believe.

 

[Hopeful]

Everyone assumes the Corinthian "prophets" were like the prophets in the book of Acts. But in context, Paul says everyone in Church "can all prophesy one by one." Later, he explicitly says the "Word of God" came to the Corinthians [through the apostles like him], not from any of the tongues prophecy or revelations the Corinthians were giving:

29 Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others judge (1252 διακρίνω diakrino).
30 But if anything is revealed to another who sits by, let the first keep silent.
31 For you can all prophesy one by one, that all may learn and all may be encouraged.
32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
33 For God is not the author of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints.
...
36 Or did the word of God come originally from you? Or was it you only that it reached?
37 If anyone thinks himself to be a prophet or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things which I write to you are the commandments of the Lord.
38 But if anyone is ignorant, let him be ignorant. (1 Cor. 14:29-38 NKJ)

Everyone can "judge/discriminate/separate" (1252 διακρίνω diakrino) prophecy, if it is of the flesh or really some great insight given by the Holy Spirit into the Word of God.

Whoever "forth tells" Scripture is a prophet in the truest sense of the world, speaking the word of God. Any believer can do that. When the pews are filled with on fire believers, this could easily describe them as they share their testimonies and do Bible readings:

How is it then, brethren? Whenever you come together, each of you has a psalm, has a teaching, has a tongue, has a revelation, has an interpretation. Let all things be done for edification. (1 Cor. 14:26 NKJ)

Every believer receives revelations from God the Holy Spirit while reading Scripture, psalms or teaching and we share that with each other in church and during Bible Study.

So apart from tongues, which were a sign to the Jews (1 Cor. 14:21-22) that Jesus Christ is now the way the truth and the life; That sign was no longer needed once the Temple was destroyed and with it Judaism because the genealogical tables that made the Levitical Priesthood possible were destroyed with it.


The Corinthian Church actually resembles a Cessationist church MORE than a modern Pentecostal Church. The majority in Corinth wanted to forbid the speaking in tongues but Paul wouldn't let them (1 Cor. 14:39). That don't sound like a Pentecostal Church where everyone is speaking in tongues, at all. But one can easily see its like a modern Cessationist Church.

Where do you get the idea that a majority of Corinthians wanted the gift of tongues to cease?
Or even one of them?

It seems the only ones who want to see the end of the gift of tongues are those who have not received it.
A real repentnce from sin will fix that.

 

[Alfred Persson]

I have not found the word Jews in any version of 1Cor14:22 yet , I keep finding the word unbelievers . Not just for the Jews but for all unbelievers . https://www.biblehub.com/1_corinthians/14-22.htm
New King James Version
Therefore tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers; but prophesying is not for unbelievers but for those who believe.

"Jews" are implied because Paul quotes "the Law"(Isa. 28:11) and so the sign is only to those under the Old Covenant.

It showed God's judgment against them for refusing to believe, because they had to ask the Gentiles what the God of Israel was revealing.

It wouldn't mean anything to unbelievers of the nations not under "law".

Recall, there were schisms in Corinth, and the Jews sought signs:

For Jews request a sign, and Greeks seek after wisdom; (1 Cor. 1:22 NKJ)

That was true in Christ's time also, remember when Jesus said "few would be saved". That is, few Jews who ate and drank in His presence would be saved because regardless how many signs Christ did, they wanted more (Lk. 11:29-32; Mt. 12:38-42). But MANY Gentiles would come from the east and west north and south and sit down in the kingdom of God:

23 Then one said to Him, "Lord, are there few who are saved?" And He said to them,
24 "Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able.
25 "When once the Master of the house has risen up and shut the door, and you begin to stand outside and knock at the door, saying,`Lord, Lord, open for us,' and He will answer and say to you,`I do not know you, where you are from,'
26 "then you will begin to say,`We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets.'
27 "But He will say,`I tell you I do not know you, where you are from. Depart from Me, all you workers of iniquity.'
28 "There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, and yourselves thrust out.
29 "They will come from the east and the west, from the north and the south, and sit down in the kingdom of God. (Lk. 13:23-29 NKJ)

The Jews of the 1st century loved signs too much. That carried over into Corinth.

Prophecy is a sign to both Jew and Gentile believers God is there among them revealing the great things of God. That's why Paul said prophecy was greater than tongues unless there was an interpretation of the tongue, then they were equal:

4 He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself, but he who prophesies edifies the church.
5 I wish you all spoke with tongues, but even more that you prophesied; for he who prophesies is greater than he who speaks with tongues, unless indeed he interprets, that the church may receive edification. (1 Cor. 14:4-5 NKJ)

 

[atpollard]

My reading of Paul’s letters to the Church at Corinth always suggest that, like Laodicea, they were not a Church that one wanted to emulate. Rather they were too much like us and an example given as a warning.

 

[Alfred Persson]

My reading of Paul’s letters to the Church at Corinth always suggest that, like Laodicea, they were not a Church that one wanted to emulate. Rather they were too much like us and an example given as a warning.

The more I think about that, the more I agree with you. Without doubt all scripture exists for us to learn truth, and from the mistakes of others.

Now all these things happened to them as examples, and they were written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the ages have come. (1 Cor. 10:11 NKJ)

16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,
17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work. (2 Tim. 3:16-4:1 NKJ)

 

[hawkman]

Where do you get the idea that a majority of Corinthians wanted the gift of tongues to cease?
Or even one of them?

That is a question that came to my mind also , but I failed to ask .
Alfred Persson , maybe you missed Hopeful 's question . I like to hear your answer too .

 

[Alfred Persson]

That is a question that came to my mind also , but I failed to ask .
Alfred Persson , maybe you missed Hopeful 's question . I like to hear your answer too .

Most of the epistle concerns "non charismatic issues". The church was divided between the "haves" and "have nots":

11 For it has been declared to me concerning you, my brethren, by those of Chloe's household , that there are contentions among you.
12 Now I say this, that each of you says, "I am of Paul," or "I am of Apollos," or "I am of Cephas," or "I am of Christ."
...
22 For Jews request a sign, and Greeks seek after wisdom; (1 Cor. 1:11-22 NKJ)

The "have-nots" were the majority, only a majority could "forbid tongues" requiring Paul stop them:

Therefore, brethren, desire earnestly to prophesy, and do not forbid to speak with tongues. (1 Cor. 14:39 NKJ)

False prophecy also caused the Thessalonians to "despise prophecy", and Paul had to stop them too:

19 Do not quench the Spirit.
20 Do not despise prophecies.
21 Test all things; hold fast what is good.
22 Abstain from every form of evil. (1 Thess. 5:19-22 NKJ)

The NT church was tired of all the abuse, the carnal babbling and false prophecy. But at the time, the genuine still existed so Paul stopped them ending it.

But its evident "tongues prophecy and knowledge" ceased just a Paul said it would (1 Cor. 13:8) because the writer of Hebrews speaks of them in the "past tense". God bore witness the apostles spoke the Word of God, no one else:

3 how shall we escape if we neglect so great a salvation, which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed to us by those who heard Him,
4 God also bearing witness both with signs and wonders, with various miracles, and gifts of the Holy Spirit, according to His own will? (Heb. 2:3-4 NKJ)

Tongues etc. aren't mentioned in the later epistles. Its clear by the end of the 1st century, only TARES thought they knew God's will better than those faithful to the teaching of the apostles:

They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us. (1 Jn. 2:19 NKJ)

Paul contrasts those who follow their spiritual experiences rather than Holy Scripture, versus true believers who follow Scripture. That is "apostolic tradition" and epistles, that became Scripture:

10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie,
12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

13 But we are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God from the beginning chose you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth,
14 to which He called you by our gospel, for the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or our epistle. (2 Thess. 2:10-15 NKJ)

Most of the church wanted to end babbling and false prophecy. That nonsense brings reproach upon God who gifts true followers with a "sound mind":

For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind. (2 Tim. 1:7 NKJ)

 

[hawkman]

But its evident "tongues prophecy and knowledge" ceased just a Paul said it would (1 Cor. 13:8) because the writer of Hebrews speaks of them in the "past tense". God bore witness the apostles spoke the Word of God, no one else:

The "evidence" you see is in your world but not mine . I speak in tongues as the Holy Spirit gives the utterance . I have the Gift of Tongues. I will tell you how that came about .
Before I became a Christian I thought about the things of God as I observed my new wife . She was a Christian before we married . I watched her as God used her in day to day living and how she worshipped God .
As I had been convicted of my sins but still not been born again I got to the point that I did decide if I had a relationship with God I wanted it to be like the one my wife has with God . And yes she did have the Gift of Tongues .
Finally one day as God's word was preached the convicting power of The Holy Spirit took hold and I went and kneeled the altar at the front on the sanctuary and I was born again , I took Jesus as my savior .
As I stood up there at the altar words were wanting to come out of my mouth that were NOT my words . I was shocked and thought what is happening to me and I did not let The Holy Spirit have the utterance . Over the next few weeks I came to understand that The Holy Spirit was wanting to speak through me when I was at the altar . At a later church service anyone with a need went to the altar for prayer and I went and was prayed for and began speaking in tongues . No training , no teaching it just flowed .
So God blessed me with a relationship with Him like my wife had in that in involved me speaking in tongues as the Holy Spirit gives the utterance !
Do you Alfred Persson understand now why I interact in your threads ?

 

[Alfred Persson]

The "evidence" you see is in your world but not mine . I speak in tongues as the Holy Spirit gives the utterance . I have the Gift of Tongues. I will tell you how that came about .
Before I became a Christian I thought about the things of God as I observed my new wife . She was a Christian before we married . I watched her as God used her in day to day living and how she worshipped God .
As I had been convicted of my sins but still not been born again I got to the point that I did decide if I had a relationship with God I wanted it to be like the one my wife has with God . And yes she did have the Gift of Tongues .
Finally one day as God's word was preached the convicting power of The Holy Spirit took hold and I went and kneeled the altar at the front on the sanctuary and I was born again , I took Jesus as my savior .
As I stood up there at the altar words were wanting to come out of my mouth that were NOT my words . I was shocked and thought what is happening to me and I did not let The Holy Spirit have the utterance . Over the next few weeks I came to understand that The Holy Spirit was wanting to speak through me when I was at the altar . At a later church service anyone with a need went to the altar for prayer and I went and was prayed for and began speaking in tongues . No training , no teaching it just flowed .
So God blessed me with a relationship with Him like my wife had in that in involved me speaking in tongues as the Holy Spirit gives the utterance !
Do you Alfred Persson understand now why I interact in your threads ?

You are convinced your experiences are genuine. That's the only opinion that matters.

We will be judged for what we believe, not what others believe.

But if you want me to believe the same tongues seen on Pentecost are here today, then they must be the same. They can't be different.

I obey the Bible, it says "do not quench the Spirit, or despise prophecies etc. But it also says "test all things", and that is why I require proof from the Bible

19 Do not quench the Spirit.
20 Do not despise prophecies.
21 Test all things; hold fast what is good.
22 Abstain from every form of evil.
(1 Thess. 5:19-22 NKJ)

16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,
17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work. (2 Tim. 3:16-17 NKJ)

 

[hawkman]

You are convinced your experiences are genuine.

You have no idea how convinced I am :yes .

We will be judged for what we believe, not what others believe.

That is a sobering thought .

But if you want me to believe the same tongues seen on Pentecost are here today, then they must be the same. They can't be different.

The original apostles are dead . But the Gift of Tongues is still with us , which makes sense, since the Holy Spirit is with us too .

I obey the Bible, it says "do not quench the Spirit, or despise prophecies etc. But it also says "test all things", and that is why I require proof from the Bible

19 Do not quench the Spirit.

I found an article for you that talks about your opinion . Read #3 and get back with me .

https://www.desiringgod.org/articles/seven-ways-to-quench-the-spirit

 

[Alfred Persson]

You have no idea how convinced I am :yes .

That is a sobering thought .

The original apostles are dead . But the Gift of Tongues is still with us , which makes sense, since the Holy Spirit is with us too .

I found an article for you that talks about your opinion . Read #3 and get back with me .

https://www.desiringgod.org/articles/seven-ways-to-quench-the-spirit

4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
5 And there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men, from every nation under heaven.
6 And when this sound occurred, the multitude came together, and were confused, because everyone heard them speak in his own language.
7 Then they were all amazed and marveled, saying to one another, "Look, are not all these who speak Galileans?
8 "And how is it that we hear, each in our own language in which we were born?
9 "Parthians and Medes and Elamites, those dwelling in Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia,
10 "Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya adjoining Cyrene, visitors from Rome, both Jews and proselytes,
11 "Cretans and Arabs-- we hear them speaking in our own tongues the wonderful works of God."
(Acts 2:4-11 NKJ)

I asked for proof of the sameness, not substitution with something different.

These Bible Tongues are known human languages. Tongues today are not known as human languages.

Therefore, modern tongues are not a continuation of apostolic tongues, they are something different.

ps: Some claim this was a miracle of "hearing", that all spoke the same words but each heard in their own languages. The audience (interpreted by the Holy Spirit) heard their own language. That is impossible, Luke lists the languages that were spoken.

But even if we depart from the facts and call this "a gift of hearing" and not tongues speaking, Continualists cannot point to modern continuation of "a gift of hearing" either.

 

[hawkman]

I asked for proof of the sameness, not substitution with something different.

Have you prayed and asked God for that proof ? He may send it in a way you have not thought of .

 

[Alfred Persson]

Have you prayed and asked God for that proof ? He may send it in a way you have not thought of .

Beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints. (Jude 1:3 NKJ)

We are to "contend earnestly" for "the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints".

There aren't "multiple deliveries".

Therefore, I demand to see today the "the same" that existed in the New Testament, because if its "something different" it isn't from God.

Regardless how "Christian like" it appears:

16 "You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles?
17 "Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.
18 "A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit.
19 "Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
20 "Therefore by their fruits you will know them.
21 "Not everyone who says to Me,`Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
22 "Many will say to Me in that day,`Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'
23 "And then I will declare to them,`I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'
(Matt. 7:16-23 NKJ)

By definition, "lawlessness" in Scripture is disobeying God's "Law", revealed in the Holy Scripture. Therefore, these sign and wonder working people, who thought they had a personal relationship with Jesus, were the tares sown among the wheat. In seed form, they look the same, but as they bear fruit they can be clearly distinguished. The "fruit of lawlessness", disobedience to scripture is the fruit" by which they can be known:

36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away and went into the house. And His disciples came to Him, saying, "Explain to us the parable of the tares of the field."
37 He answered and said to them: "He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man.
38 "The field is the world, the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom, but the tares are the sons of the wicked one.
39 "The enemy who sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels.
40 "Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age.
41 "The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness,
42 "and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
(Matt. 13:36-42 NKJ)

 

[hawkman]

Beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints. (Jude 1:3 NKJ)

We are to "contend earnestly" for "the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints".

There aren't "multiple deliveries".

Therefore, I demand to see today the "the same" that existed in the New Testament, because if its "something different" it isn't from God.

Regardless how "Christian like" it appears:

16 "You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles?
17 "Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.
18 "A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit.
19 "Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
20 "Therefore by their fruits you will know them.
21 "Not everyone who says to Me,`Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
22 "Many will say to Me in that day,`Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'
23 "And then I will declare to them,`I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'
(Matt. 7:16-23 NKJ)

By definition, "lawlessness" in Scripture is disobeying God's "Law", revealed in the Holy Scripture. Therefore, these sign and wonder working people, who thought they had a personal relationship with Jesus, were the tares sown among the wheat. In seed form, they look the same, but as they bear fruit they can be clearly distinguished. The "fruit of lawlessness", disobedience to scripture is the fruit" by which they can be known:

36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away and went into the house. And His disciples came to Him, saying, "Explain to us the parable of the tares of the field."
37 He answered and said to them: "He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man.
38 "The field is the world, the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom, but the tares are the sons of the wicked one.
39 "The enemy who sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels.
40 "Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age.
41 "The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness,
42 "and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
(Matt. 13:36-42 NKJ)

Do you want proof ? I will tell you how to get it . I know the One who can send you the proof .

 

[Alfred Persson]

Do you want proof ? I will tell you how to get it . I know the One who can send you the proof .

If apostolic like miracles were happening today, it would be in the news 24/7. Look at the pathetic stuff that does get in the news, that's how desperate people are to see a miracle:

Thousands of Catholics flock to US church to pray over body of nun

Forensic anthropologists suggest that the nun's body may not have decomposed rapidly because of a lack of moisture and oxygen and it being kept at a very low temperature.

www.dailymail.co.uk

How pathetic. Now the apostles in the Bible, God did spectacular things through them:

12 And through the hands of the apostles many signs and wonders were done among the people. And they were all with one accord in Solomon's Porch.
13 Yet none of the rest dared join them, but the people esteemed them highly.
14 And believers were increasingly added to the Lord, multitudes of both men and women,
15 so that they brought the sick out into the streets and laid them on beds and couches, that at least the shadow of Peter passing by might fall on some of them.
16 Also a multitude gathered from the surrounding cities to Jerusalem, bringing sick people and those who were tormented by unclean spirits, and they were all healed. (Acts 5:12-16 NKJ)

 

[hawkman]

Therefore, I demand to see today the "the same" that existed in the New Testament, because if its "something different" it isn't from God.

Have you told God of your demands ? Praying to see "the same" might be a better idea , don't you think ?

 

[Alfred Persson]

Have you told God of your demands ? Praying to see "the same" might be a better idea , don't you think ?

Jesus Christ my LORD warned me "do not be deceived by false prophets" who do Christian-like signs and wonders:

15 "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.
16 "You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles?
17 "Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.
18 "A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit.
19 "Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
20 "Therefore by their fruits you will know them.
21 "Not everyone who says to Me,`Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
22 "Many will say to Me in that day,`Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'
23 "And then I will declare to them,`I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'
(Matt. 7:15-23 NKJ)

Therefore, "Christian-like" isn't good enough, they must be precisely the same Christian signs and wonders appearing in the New Testament.

 

[hawkman]

Therefore, "Christian-like" isn't good enough, they must be precisely the same Christian signs and wonders appearing in the New Testament.

Do you want proof you can not deny that the Gifts of the Holy Spirit are still active today ? Yes or No .

 

[Alfred Persson]

Do you want proof you can not deny that the Gifts of the Holy Spirit are still active today ? Yes or No .

Yes, but you don't have it.

If you did, you would have produced the proof long ago.

Jesus Christ my LORD warned me "do not be deceived by false prophets" who do Christian-like signs and wonders:

15 "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.
16 "You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles?
17 "Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.
18 "A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit.
19 "Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
20 "Therefore by their fruits you will know them.
21 "Not everyone who says to Me,`Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
22 "Many will say to Me in that day,`Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'
23 "And then I will declare to them,`I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'
(Matt. 7:15-23 NKJ)

Therefore, "Christian-like" isn't good enough, they must be precisely the same Christian signs and wonders appearing in the New Testament.