Are We Being Complete Christians?

[Edward]

Many of today's Christians seem to poo-poo portions of scripture that do not fit in with their world view/belief system. i.e., Healings stopped and were only for the Apostles, Revelation from God is occultic and to be left alone, the inerrant word of God has been translated so many times that it's not inerrant anymore...and on and on...the one thing that many of these Christians do agree with us (me, lol) on is that the scriptures are our primary authority and path to knowing God and His will. Agreed.

So uh, let's look at some of these issues in the scriptures, shall we?

Ephesians 1:17
17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:

18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,../

Uh-oh. There's that revelation thing again. ...That the GOD of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of...Revelation. (this is the Holy Spirit, the comforter which will lead us into some truth...NO. All Truth.

John 16:12-14
12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.../

v12, some things were left unsaid! Many things. Whoa. When can we get those?
Oh, v13...and 14. And shall show it unto you. He didn't really say he'll write it into a book for you, these things, and after it is canonized that you can accept it. Lol! Come on my Brothers and Sisters. This is as plain as the nose on your face.

More scripture please! Thanks for asking. Here you are;

1 Corinthians 14:26
26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.../

Sometimes KJV can be confusing to some that are not used to it. So let's look at a NKJV for some clarity. (You're welcome!)

26 How is it then, brethren? Whenever you come together, each of you has a psalm, has a teaching, has a tongue, has a revelation, has an interpretation. Let all things be done for edification.../

Now this makes sense. No one gets all the answers for we are many members of one body. But there's that revelation thing again! Then it goes on to say, let ALL THINGS be done for edification.

So revelation of the Spirit is not occultic. (They stole that from us, just like many other things including the rainbow!) We are created Spirit-beings (like God, in His image and likeness), we have a soul and live in a body. So this is a normal thing for spirit-beings. To be able to dwell one in another and receive revelation. We are in Christ. He is IN us. His Holy Spirit indwells us. I am possessed by the Holy Spirit!! Glory to God!! We lost our identities in the fall. Start believing that you are a spirit-being, which will soon shed this crappy house, lol! There is nothing dangerous about revelation or the indwelling of the Spirit. Itis normal and it is who we are and were created to be.

I rest my case on that. there's more if needed, but that's good for now. Believe. If ALL THINGS are not done, then we are incomplete!

 

[Edward]

Nobody wants to touch this one eh?! Lol.

Here's some more scriptures. The context is that Paul is speaking about how to be in church. Now as new testament believers, we know that where two or more are gathered in His name, there He is present. So even us believers fellowshipping on this board is effectively, church.

1 Corinthians 14:
30 If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.

31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.

32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.

33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.../

Wow! Did that just say that we are all prophets? Interesting. Now it seems to me that no one could be a prophet unless he had the Spirit of revelation in him or her. This stuff blows me away.

Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Lol

 

[Free]

Nobody wants to touch this one eh?! Lol.

Here's some more scriptures. The context is that Paul is speaking about how to be in church. Now as new testament believers, we know that where two or more are gathered in His name, there He is present. So even us believers fellowshipping on this board is effectively, church.

1 Corinthians 14:
30 If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.

31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.

32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.

33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.../

Wow! Did that just say that we are all prophets? Interesting.

No, Paul most certainly did not say such a thing. The context makes that clear.

Now it seems to me that no one could be a prophet unless he had the Spirit of revelation in him or her. This stuff blows me away.

And what is the "spirit of revelation"?

 

[Edward]

No, Paul most certainly did not say such a thing. The context makes that clear.


And what is the "spirit of revelation"?

Brother, you're right. He said For ye may all prophesy one by one...He didn't say will, He said may. Nevertheless, some may be prophets.

The Spirit of revelation is the Comforter, the Holy Spirit. They way I figure it, We read His Word to study to show ourselves approved...this gives us head knowledge, then the Holy Spirit has something to work with, a seed to water! And teaches us in our spirit, which then changes our heart.

Free Brother, it's disrespectful to come on here with just a "your wrong", without providing the real answer. IF you know I'm wrong, then I am not to proud to learn. But if you do not back up your statements of your wrong with anything...then I must conclude that your purpose here may be simply to sow doubt in believers hearts.

 

[Free]

Brother, you're right. He said For ye may all prophesy one by one...He didn't say will, He said may. Nevertheless, some may be prophets.

The context goes back to 1 Cor. 12, where Paul states that not everyone has the same gift. Right there we know that not everyone can prophesy. We also see at the beginning of chapter 14 that not everyone has the gift of prophecy. So we know Paul cannot be suggesting in verse 31 that we are all prophets, or that would contradict all he said previously.

His point in verse 31 then, is that those two or three prophets (vs 29) who feel they have something to say to the church, should speak one at a time.

Free Brother, it's disrespectful to come on here with just a "your wrong", without providing the real answer. IF you know I'm wrong, then I am not to proud to learn. But if you do not back up your statements of your wrong with anything...then I must conclude that your purpose here may be simply to sow doubt in believers hearts.

You know that is not my purpose. I've explained more than once, even very recently, that my concern is the misinterpretation and misapplication of Scripture. I didn't say anything because I wanted you to go back and look at the context, to think for yourself about what Paul was saying in verse 31.

 

[Edward]

Ok, ok. So your point is;

His point in verse 31 then, is that those two or three prophets (vs 29) who feel they have something to say to the church, should speak one at a time.

...that v31 though it says:
30 If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.

31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.../

Doesn't mean could be all, but specifically 2 or three? All of just those 2 or 3 prophets? Brother, kindly point me out to where it says two or three, because I'm'a not as smart as you and can't find it? I say that in all humility. That's no snark. You're my Brother in Christ. right? Ok. Please thank you.

 

[Edward]

I realize that all people will not be prophets. Come on, there's many different stations of the Lord in how He uses His people. But that doesn't mean that all do not have the 'potential' to prophecy, if God so wills it.

 

[Kidron]

I realize that all people will not be prophets. Come on, there's many different stations of the Lord in how He uses His people. But that doesn't mean that all do not have the 'potential' to prophecy, if God so wills it.

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Rabbit trail Christianity.
"chasing gifts".
"worrying about the infilling, talking in tongues, or the baptism of the spirit".
"chonic seekers"...... that do nothing but worry about nothing that matters.

Here is what matters.
You are going to meet Jesus the Christ.
He is going to ask you....."how many souls did you bring to me"..."how many did you lead to me"...
He is not going to care about your gifts or your church membership, or if you were water baptized.
God sent His blood for a reason, and that reason is to bring the lost back to Him.
We as believers have to keep the main thing ...the main thing.
And what is that?
"Go ye into all the world and worry about tongues, signs, and healing, and prophesy, and water baptism"?
Really?
WAKE UP !!!!!
= Get FOCUSED on what God sent Christ to DO, and be a part of that, as that is all that matters.

 

[Edward]

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Rabbit trail Christianity.
"chasing gifts".
"worrying about the infilling, talking in tongues, or the baptism of the spirit".
"chonic seekers"...... that do nothing but worry about nothing that matters.

Here is what matters.
You are going to meet Jesus the Christ.
He is going to ask you....."how many souls did you bring to me"..."how many did you lead to me"...
He is not going to care about your gifts or your church membership, or if you were water baptized.
God sent His blood for a reason, and that reason is to bring the lost back to Him.
We as believers have to keep the main thing ...the main thing.
And what is that?
"Go ye into all the world and worry about tongues, signs, and healing, and prophesy, and water baptism"?
Really?
WAKE UP !!!!!
= Get FOCUSED on what God sent Christ to DO, and be a part of that, as that is all that matters.

I know! Tell Mr. Head knowledge there. Perhaps I shouldn't even respond to him. I am not worried about them. My point is they're there! This is very real Brother. I understand why Paul said, I am a man born out of season.

 

[jasonc]

ok do he doesn't care about water baptism ? after saying go and make disciples and baptism them in the Name of the Father, and Son and the Holy Ghost? that is a command He said. surely He cares if you do Obey his commands, otherwise why even make such a command?

 

[Corn Pop]

The Spirit was given to the Apostles and believers until Christ returned. Thats why no one can do any miracles and everyone thinks they have the Holy Spirit that gives birth to a million doctrine and denominations.

Christianity is drunk because it believes Christ delays. Its always going to live in a belief Christ delays and has not brought salvation to the world. It will continue to live in the time of 30-70ad.