thessalonian said:
PetriFB said:
thessalonian said:
Petri,
Can you tell me how one can be severed from something, having never been attached to it? How can one who has never been in a tree be said to have fallen from it?
Gal 5
[4] You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.
Rom.11
[22] Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God's kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness; otherwise you too will be cut off.
Can one be cut off from what they were never attached to?
I know many Christians who have been very distressed and unsure about their salvation.
And behind the link is many good points to help those kind of people.
It is good that you have surety and guarantee about your salvation, so you can help those who don't have surety about their salvation.
We can't blame them, but help them to see work of Christ, which is finished also for them.....
My salvation is contingent on me walking with Christ and daily taking up my cross. He does not force me to do this every day. He does give me the grace to do it but grace is not irresistable. I am not distressed because I do trust his grace and that he will lead me. Answer my question.
Another interesting passage 1 cor 15
1] Now I would remind you, brethren, in what terms I preached to you the gospel, which you received, in which you stand,
[2] by which you are saved,
IF you hold it fast -- unless you believed in vain.
Now if is a conditional last I check. Seems that being saved is conditional to our remaining in him and in the Gospel as Paul continues from the passage.
You raise good points, Thess - I just checked the contexts of all those passages you quoted too
I'll add Hebrews 2:1-3 & Hebrews 6:4-8
Hebrews 2:1-3 (New International Version)
Warning to Pay Attention
1We must pay more careful attention, therefore, to what we have heard, so that we do not drift away.
2For if the message spoken by angels was binding, and every violation and disobedience received its just punishment,
3how shall we escape if we ignore such a great salvation? This salvation, which was first announced by the Lord, was confirmed to us by those who heard him.
Hebrews 6:4-8 (New International Version)
4It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit,
5who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age,
6if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because[a]to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.
7Land that drinks in the rain often falling on it and that produces a crop useful to those for whom it is farmed receives the blessing of God.
8But land that produces thorns and thistles is worthless and is in danger of being cursed. In the end it will be burned.
Footnotes:
Hebrews 6:6 Or repentance while
All those passages, if read in their contexts, warn us to put our faith in the once-for-all atoning sacrifice of Christ for our salvation
We are in the time of the Great Apostasy - as in 1 Timothy 4:1
1 Timothy 4:1 (New International Version)
Instructions to Timothy
1The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.
That's the 'rebellion' of 2 Thessalonians 2
Greek
apo stasis means, not only to fall away, but to stand against, just as Greek
anti - as in antichrist - means, not only against, but in place of
The Antichrist will proclaim himself to be God & demand worship - as in Revelation 13
I've seen 2 'minor' news stories, in the past 2 days, that confirm that the age-old battle between good & evil, between God & Satan, is nearing its climax
UK readers may have seen, in Tuesday's
http://www.metro.co.uk that street preaching is being labelled as 'anti-social behaviour' - an ASBO was put on a regular street preacher in London's Oxford Circus, for using a small megaphone
I've seen the guy in action in Liverpool, & he has a lovely, warm, friendly way with him
Today's
http://www.crosswalk.com reports an anti-evangelical series of USA TV ads by the 'liberal' "United Church of Christ"
Frankly, Thess, your strong RC stance makes me suspect your motives & your meaning behind asserting 'daily walk obligation'
As explained on several other threads, by several people, the RC catechism wrongly teaches salvation by good works, but if it was possible to earn salvation, Christ would never have put Himself thru the agony of crucifixion - or of going thru life knowing that Pharisees were plotting to kill Him
He told His followers, 'Nobody takes my life from Me: I give it freely"
RC catechism also
wrongly calls Mary 'co-redemptrix' & 'Queen of Heaven'
Mary did not die for the sins of the world & 'Queen of Heaven' is a
forbidden pagan occult title given to the highly promiscuous 'goddesses' of fertility cults' temple prostitution practices - as in Jeremiah 44
Mary was
not miraculously taken alive into Heaven: if she had been, that would be in the Bible: that is from the pagan legend of binge-drinking 'god' Bacchus & his mother
Likewise if God had wanted folk to pray to her & sing hymns to her, that's important enough to be in the Bible - but it's also UNbiblical
Galatians 1:6-9 curses anyone who preaches any other 'gospel' than salvation by the sheer grace of God, thru faith in the once-for-all atoning sacrifice of Christ on Calvary's cross
The dogma of the mass falsely claims that it's re-presenting the crucifixion, over & over again - that is from forbidden Babylon's pagan occult
Must post in time to print quoted verses - note Hebrews about trampling the precious blood of Christ underfoot & crucifying Him all over again
Jesus said that there would be more & more false prophets/christs/messiahs as His return nears - as in Matthew 24
God commands all people everywhere to repent of sin & believe the glorious good news gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ
