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Ban this children's movie...

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You may already know about this kids movie coming out in December starring Nicole Kid man. It's called The Golden Compass, and while it will be a watered down version of the book, it is based on a trilogy of children's books about killing God. The author is a self professed atheist. Please click on this link or cut and paste it. From what I understand, the hope is to get a lot of kids to see the movie during the Christmas holiday. The quotes from the author sum it all up.


http://snopes.com/politics/religion/compass.asp
 
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Did I forget to say... :o

No thanks, I'll pass on this movie and ask others to pass as well.

Thanks for the heads up! :-)
 
Don't ban it---- just don't allow your own kids to see it. I hope one has control over his or her household. And if the kids do somehow sneak off to watch it, then at least research it a little to provide an intelligent rebuttal of it. After all, it is fantasy and can be said that a belief cannot be based in a fantasy.

I did once like Nicole Kidman---- notice I said once. I don't care too much for where she's headed these days.
 
I personally feel this movie should not be viewed by children or Christians, however I mentioned this before and got my head bit off. Banning it would be good, but however if you ban it probally more people will probally go to watch it. This is a time of entertainment at all cost.
 
The author of the books wrote them pretty much as a reply to C.S. Lewis' Chronicles of Narnia, which he said he "despises."

I think Hollywood watered down the message of the books because it knew the uproar that a series of books about killing God would cause in this country. Such a blatent antitheist message would not be in the best commercial interests of Hollywood.

However, the watered down version in many ways is even worse...a much more covert attack on theism in general and Christianity in particular.

I believe strongly in Freedom of Speech and the press, so I do not seek to ban this movie, nor do I want to see the books banned. However, I think we need to inform people of its message and be prepared to answer people who are influenced by it--or even by those who have never even heard of the books or the movie, but still have the same feelings about God that the author has. The Church must be prepared to answer these questions and attacks, with truth and love.

God bless!
 
sisterchristian said:
You may already know about this kids movie coming out in December starring Nicole Kid man. It's called The Golden Compass, and while it will be a watered down version of the book, it is based on a trilogy of children's books about killing God. The author is a self professed atheist. Please click on this link or cut and paste it. From what I understand, the hope is to get a lot of kids to see the movie during the Christmas holiday. The quotes from the author sum it all up.


http://snopes.com/politics/religion/compass.asp

Wow what a wonderful idea, lets just ban everything that we don't agree with. God gave people choices for a reason. Some people will make bad choices but it is our responsibility to alert them and then leave it go. If you have warned them once anything beyond that is called "nagging/ bible bashing and tends to have a negative effect.
 
Arcanebiomech said:
Wow what a wonderful idea, lets just ban everything that we don't agree with. God gave people choices for a reason. Some people will make bad choices but it is our responsibility to alert them and then leave it go. If you have warned them once anything beyond that is called "nagging/ bible bashing and tends to have a negative effect.

I can truly understand the reaction of wanting to ban this movie or the books. However, I can never accept such a course of action.

The ironic thing is that a call to ban an anti-Christian movie will only reinforce why atheists and antitheists despise about Christians: they think of us as bigoted and unable to win in the marketplace of ideas because of our intellectual barreness, so instead of dialogue, we want to silence the opposition.

God bless!
 
Arcanebiomech said:
sisterchristian said:
You may already know about this kids movie coming out in December starring Nicole Kid man. It's called The Golden Compass, and while it will be a watered down version of the book, it is based on a trilogy of children's books about killing God. The author is a self professed atheist. Please click on this link or cut and paste it. From what I understand, the hope is to get a lot of kids to see the movie during the Christmas holiday. The quotes from the author sum it all up.


http://snopes.com/politics/religion/compass.asp

Wow what a wonderful idea, lets just ban everything that we don't agree with. God gave people choices for a reason. Some people will make bad choices but it is our responsibility to alert them and then leave it go. If you have warned them once anything beyond that is called "nagging/ bible bashing and tends to have a negative effect.
I'm sorry that this offends you (surprisingly) but when satan tries to lure kids in by something like this than yes it deserves to be banned! As a christian I am shocked by the reaction of some other christians to this movie, as I really didn't think it would be an issue with other christians but I guess I was wrong!
 
sisterchristian said:
I'm sorry that this offends you (surprisingly) but when satan tries to lure kids in by something like this than yes it deserves to be banned! As a christian I am shocked by the reaction of some other christians to this movie, as I really didn't think it would be an issue with other christians but I guess I was wrong!

Dear sisterchristian,

Yes, satan is trying to lure kids in with this movie. However, I firmly believe that the parents, not the State, should say what kids should see and what kids should not see. If today the State can ban a movie because it presents a message with which we disagree, can they not tomorrow ban a movie or a book with which we agree? Many people are offended by the Bible--should the State then ban it, if enough people petition the State to do so?

I firmly believe that the Truth will win out over lies. Just trying to silence those with whom we disagree will not win people for Jesus.

God bless!
 
Are you serious?

Banning does not work. The solution is to teach your children. You cannot legislate morality. Once you ban something people will want to know what is so bad about it, they will try to get it anyway and in the end will condemn you for being so ridiculous. You will receive no thanks for your trouble and will only create the forbidden fruit that has proven our downfall since Eden.

You have given some publicity to this movie. I am sure that some here will want to check it out for themselves.

Blessings,
Dunamite
 
I'm sorry that this offends you (surprisingly) but when satan tries to lure kids in by something like this than yes it deserves to be banned! As a christian I am shocked by the reaction of some other christians to this movie, as I really didn't think it would be an issue with other christians but I guess I was wrong!

I think that you should have lived in the dark ages when the church suppressed anything that threatened them.

This mentality will drive more from your faith than it would keep in it.

Most atheists really just want to be left alone in their choice of non-belief, including me. I do not remember any of my friends calling for the ban on the narnia movie. We believe that it is your choice to see it, and not ours to prevent you from seeing it. The same should be reciprocal.
 
Just for clarity Sister, are you calling for a ban (governmental and therefore unconsititutional) on this movie, or an organized boycott by the church (generally counter-productive) or just exhorting Christian parents to understand the concept behind the movie and make choices appropriate for their families (very effective)?

As for me, I desire neither a ban nor even a boycott. That said, we won't spend our entertainment dollars on this movie.

BTW, a good pick for a Christian family's holiday movie is "Mr. Magorium's Wonder Emporium". I've read the reviews and this sounds like the movie we will see this year.
 
To YehwehPaladin:

I read your quote regarding the Golden Compass and found this passage from the source you were quoting.

Baehr makes the important historical point that the logical consequences of Pullman's atheism can be found in the lives of the leading atheists of the 20th Century - Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, and others. "These were men who killed millions of their own people and had no respect for justice or love. Ultimately, it is a road that only leads to meaninglessness, murder and social chaos."

My question is, do most of the members on this board truly believe that this is the ultimate end for someone who non-believes? Is this what you consider the epitome of being an atheist?
This is off topic, but stemmed from it. I have created a posting for anyone who would like to respond. http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=30420
 
Here is some more insight on the movie, which will be showing in about 4 days....


“THE GOLDEN COMPASS†SPARKS PROTEST

October 9, 2007


Catholic League president Bill Donohue discussed the league’s reaction to the upcoming movie, “The Golden Compassâ€Â:

“New Line Cinema and Scholastic Entertainment have paired to produce ‘The Golden Compass,’ a children’s fantasy that is based on the first book of a trilogy by militant English atheist Philip Pullman. The trilogy, His Dark Materials, was written to promote atheism and denigrate Christianity, especially Roman Catholicism. The target audience is children and adolescents. Each book becomes progressively more aggressive in its denigration of Christianity and promotion of atheism: The Subtle Knife is more provocative than The Golden Compass and The Amber Spyglass is the most in-your-face assault on Christian sensibilities of the three volumes.

“Atheism for kids. That is what Philip Pullman sells. It is his hope that ‘The Golden Compass,’ which stars Nicole Kidman and opens December 7, will entice parents to buy his trilogy as a Christmas gift. It is our hope that the film fails to meet box office expectations and that his books attract few buyers. We are doing much more than hopingâ€â€we are conducting a nationwide two-month protest of Pullman’s work and the film. To that end, we have prepared a booklet, ‘The Golden Compass: Agenda Unmasked,’ that tears the mask off the movie.

“It is not our position that the movie will strike Christian parents as troubling. Then why the protest? Even though the film is based on the least offensive of the three books, and even though it is clear that the producers are watering down the most despicable elementsâ€â€so as to make money and not anger Christiansâ€â€the fact remains that the movie is bait for the books. To be specific, if unsuspecting Christian parents take their children to see the movie, they may very well find it engaging and then buy Pullman’s books for Christmas. That’s the problem.

“We are fighting a deceitful stealth campaign n the part of the film’s producers. Our goal is to educate Christians so that they know exactly what the film’s pernicious agenda really is.â€Â
 
I suppose none of the people posting on this thread have actually read the books. The interpretations of them seem to me a little extreme - I found that the story bore a great resemblance to the uncontroversial story of Morgoth in Lord of the Rings.

It is a beatifully written story - and I didn't see the ending of the last, most controversial book as anti-christian, more like hopeful and optimistic:

If anyone is reading the books, then this is the ending, so don't read it!!!!
"And then what?" said her daemon sleepily "Build what?"
"The republic of heaven" said Lyra.


This happens after the 'King' (God) dies, and after his evil servant is killed. In my opinion, the idea of a Republic of heaven seems much more appealing than a Kingdom, but then I don't particulalrly like the idea of submitting to a higher power because I find it demeaning.

It in no way indoctrinates children with athiesm. How on earth could you do that anyway? Children are born athiests, they need to be taught about religion. Besides, after the amont of religious indoctrination out there, perhaps athiests deserve a go.

This is a book written by an athiest, with humanistic ideas of independance, equality and freedom. His basic opinions are different to that of religions, you disagree with him and that is the end of it.

Just because his beliefs are the exact opposite of yours, doesn't mean this book is intrinsically bad. This book is as suitable for children as the Chronicles of Narnia.
 
you gotten alot of poo for this

but i agree with you

in fact it was today i was watching the comercial that seems to take up 2 min. of the scobbydoo marathon, i am 16 but still scoobydoo.... :smt118

the commercial was a good one it mentions no part of his beliefs or Adam and Eve killing God,
of course not many people go to a website that tells what his point of the movie and also about its author. so when they go to this movie believing it is a childrens movie they get a little extra suprise.

it is no suprise to me that they use the bellow the radar trick for this movie,
as i game allot they tend to use this trick allot
but the enemy has slowed their forward attacks, and have started using childrens movies get behind our lines.

and mr i read the books
i have read them too

if you would like to take this to the debate forum i would be happy to engage :smt066
so just say the word and i will start a one on one topic
 
I thought I would bring a few quotes in to this thread.

this one is right off of his website.
"I don't know whether there's a God or not. Nobody does, no matter what they say. I think it's perfectly possible to explain how the universe came about without bringing God into it, but I don't know everything, and there may well be a God somewhere, hiding away.

Actually, if he is keeping out of sight, it's because he's ashamed of his followers and all the cruelty and ignorance they're responsible for promoting in his name. If I were him, I'd want nothing to do with them."

this was in an interview with Dave Weich.
"Dave: Either way, you're hardly the first author of children's books to present ideas that aren't universally accepted. For instance, you made some comments in previous interviews about C.S. Lewis and the perspective his narrator brings to those stories. You singled out a scene in Prince Caspian when the narrator is picking on a little girl with fat legs.

Pullman: He does. But I think it makes a big difference if you read those books as a kid. I read them when I'd already grown up, and I thought they were loathsome, full of bullying and sneering, propaganda, basically, on behalf of a religion whose main creed seemed to be to despise and hate people unlike yourself. Whatever Christianity says, I don't think it's that. "

and another interview.
"Perhaps. I'm pretty skeptical, though. I think we're far too superstitious on the whole. As for disgraceful betrayals of wisdom such as the pretense that there is something called "creation science" and we ought to give it equal time in schools with proper science --- I'm ashamed to belong to a human race that is so sunk in abject ignorance and willful stupidity. "

another interview
"But when you look at organised religion of whatever sort – whether it's Christianity in all its variants, or whether it's Islam or some forms of extreme Hinduism – wherever you see organised religion and priesthoods and power, you see cruelty and tyranny and repression. It's almost a universal law. "
"Narnia has always seemed to me to be marked by a hatred of the physical world. When I bring this up, people say, oh no, what nonsense! He loved his beer, loved laughter and smoking a pipe, and the companionship of his friends and so on. And so he might have done. But that didn't prevent perhaps his unconscious mind from saying something quite different in the form of a story. I'm by no means alone in attacking Lewis on these grounds."

he doesn't seem to relate his writing to Tolkien's.
"What I'm doing is utterly different," he says. "Tolkien would have deplored it."

and obviously not C.S. lewis' writings.
"So, too, would have another famous Oxford fantasy writer, C.S. Lewis, a devout Christian whose children's series "The Chronicles of Narnia" exemplified his religious convictions. "I'm trying to undermine the basis of Christian belief," says Pullman. "Mr. Lewis would think I was doing the Devil's work."

I have not read the books and I can't say exactly how they are. But Phillip Pullman does not seem like an author who writes books I would want to read.
 
“Atheism for kids. That is what Philip Pullman sells. It is his hope that ‘The Golden Compass,’ which stars Nicole Kidman and opens December 7, will entice parents to buy his trilogy as a Christmas gift.

Doesn't it seem a bit ironic to buy an atheistic trilogy for Christmas??

This trilogy seems a bit like "The Jehovah Contract" by Victor Komen. Anyone else here read it?

God bless!
 
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