Ban this children's movie...

[OfficerCarson]

LOL :smt082
yeah your right it is a bit wierd

 

[cia11]

and mr i read the books
i have read them too

if you would like to take this to the debate forum i would be happy to engage :smt066
so just say the word and i will start a one on one topic

Are you referring to me with this statement? I wasn't sure, but if you are, two things:
For future reference - I'm a Ms
And while I would relish the opportunity for some one - on - one debate, I have only read the books cover to cover once and so I don't really think I know them well enough to engage in a detailed discussion of them.

 

[OfficerCarson]

yes i am...
also "Ms i read the books" don't think you jammed me up with that come back

but due to the fact that i am just waking up and still have not felt the affects of my coffee yet :morning:

i am not going to restate what was stated in said stated statement from above.
:morning: :morning: :morning: :morning: :morning: :morning: :morning: :morning: :morning: :morning: :morning: :morning: :morning: :morning: :wink:

 

[geekgirlkelli]

I find it interesting that some are calling for the banning of this book, or any book for that matter.

I live in America. I am free to read and watch what I please. I am free to allow or disallow my children to watch and read what I feel is appropriate. I do not wish to live in a country where someone else dictates my morals and makes decisions for me. That's why this country was founded 200 years ago, to get away from oppression of British theocracy. That's why so many have emigrated here, to have freedom to live, work, play, and worship as they choose, not to have a government choose for them.

Somehow I think we're forgetting that. Hopefully it's not too late.

~Kelli

 

[OfficerCarson]

keep this in mind geekgirlkelli i am 16 in high shcool... :smt082 :smt082 :smt082 :smt082 :smt082 :smt082 :smt082 :smt082 :smt082 :smt082

Yes this country was built for RELIGOUS FREEDOM
i don't see christian movies going around bashing other beliefs in

that is the point everyone is missing

if a book was published that said how to make a bomb and get past white house security
would you want it banned?
of course because it is a threat to the security of a said individual
same here it is a threat to security of our beliefs

and you must not be much into politics the government has more control over what you can and can't do than you think

you must be kidding if you have not heard a bout pop. sovernty :smt082

pick up a history book and read about what the government was founded on again.
i think you will find that the first ammedment has free speech until you hit the seperation of church and state. this includes all beliefs christian, islamic, and atheist

if you would like to debate this matter i can make a topic in the debate section
cuase i will engage

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[OfficerCarson]

Also the ammendments cover the right to disagree with any ideas that the said group finds a threat to its beliefs and or said rights.

and no i am not going to law

i am going to the Police Force

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[bibleberean]

As much as I dislike the theme of the movie and will avoid it like the plague I am against censorship in a free country more.

The movie BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN and its sick theme gagged me so I didn't go watch it. I won't watch this movie either.

Censorship is a bad idea.

Use your sword to fight evil.

Ephesians 6:13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

Ephesians 6:14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;

Ephesians 6:15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;

Ephesians 6:16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.

Ephesians 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, WHICH IS THE WORD OF GOD:

 

[OfficerCarson]

very much true cencorship is bad

but the fact that its theme is to get across his ideas that God was killed by Adam and Eve is wrong.

it is not so much that the normal person that i am worried about it is children who go to the movie thinking it is about something else

Jesus said that it is better to a tie mill stone around your neck and throw your self in lake then to harm a child.

i believe this is mentally and physically

i am human
when i first saw the commercial i was captivated by it
i was like i wanna go see that.
i said this till i read about the movie and the author

 

[geekgirlkelli]

Yes this country was built for RELIGOUS FREEDOM
i don't see christian movies going around bashing other beliefs in

that is the point everyone is missing

Um, I hate to tell you this, but Christianty routinely bashes other religions in just about every form of media you can think of. In fact, I'd say Christianity is pretty much at the forefront when it comes to bashing people who don't believe the same.

if a book was published that said how to make a bomb and get past white house security
would you want it banned?

No. I wouldn't want it banned as long as it didn't contain classified information. I don't believe in punishing thought. It would be a crime if someone actually tried to act on it.

of course because it is a threat to the security of a said individual
same here it is a threat to security of our beliefs

I fail to see how a book or a movie is such a threat to your beliefs. Is God that weak that he is in peril because of a made-up story? You seem paranoid.

and you must not be much into politics the government has more control over what you can and can't do than you think

Nice tactic to try to discredit me. I know much more about politics than you think. I realize that the government has control over many things, but I can still write, read, watch, and believe in pretty much whatever I want without government interference. That is my point, and I think you knew that.

you must be kidding if you have not heard a bout pop. sovernty :smt082

Please... Thankfully the majority have enough sense not to want to ban books.

pick up a history book and read about what the government was founded on again.
i think you will find that the first ammedment has free speech until you hit the seperation of church and state. this includes all beliefs christian, islamic, and atheist

I don't need to open a history book. I can read the document for myself.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Care to restate that last comment? Did you read it? It says "no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." Then it continues, "or abridging the freedom of speech..."

In other words, The government cannot favor one religion over another, nor can it prohibit a religion from practicing its beliefs. Neither can it restrict the freedom of speech or the right to peaceably assemble. There is nothing in there about restricting anything in particular, except the government itself being restricted from favoring one religion over another and limits put on itself regarding these things. Have you actually read the Constitution for yourself or do you just blindly chunder what others have told you?

if you would like to debate this matter i can make a topic in the debate section
cuase i will engage :smt066

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Please...

Why is it that men seem to think that everything can be solved by guns and by force? No thanks, I don't think it would be much of a challenge anyway.

~Kelli

 

[6640]

I do believe that movies like this shouldn't be made or shown to children but I also would have to agree that we cannot ban the movie. We would be sending the message of condemning, controlling, and critical Christians. I do however think we should speak openly about the wrong message presented in the movie. I don't think most atheists could understand how the idea of killing God makes a Christian feel. We love God so much it is horrible to here people talking about killing him, and to have this idea presented to children is even worse.

 

[OfficerCarson]

LOL

funny

you wanna know what if you have the coruage to attack me here without taking it to the debate forum
you have problems

No. I wouldn't want it banned as long as it didn't contain classified information. I don't believe in punishing thought. It would be a crime if someone actually tried to act on it.

LOL
i would i am not going to lie
okay so lets just give ammo to the Iraqis
sounds good.

FREE EXERCISE OF RELIGION

''The Free Exercise Clause . . . withdraws from legislative power, state and federal, the exertion of any restraint on the free exercise of religion. Its purpose is to secure religious liberty in the individual by prohibiting any invasions there by civil authority.'' 178 It bars ''governmental regulation of religious beliefs as such,'' 179 prohibiting misuse of secular governmental programs ''to impede the observance of one or all religions or . . . to discriminate invidiously between religions . . . even though the burden may be characterized as being only indirect.'' 180 Freedom of conscience is the basis of the free exercise clause, and government may not penalize or discriminate against an individual or a group of individuals because of their religious views nor may it compel persons to affirm any particular beliefs. 181 Interpretation is complicated, however, by the fact that exercise of religion usually entails ritual or other practices that constitute ''conduct'' rather than pure ''belief.'' When it comes to protecting conduct as free exercise, the Court has been inconsistent. 182 It has long been held that the Free Exercise Clause does not necessarily prevent government from requiring the doing of some act or forbidding the doing of some act merely because religious beliefs underlie the conduct in question. 183 What has changed over the years is the Court's willingness to hold that some religiously motivated conduct is protected from generally applicable prohibitions.

this therfore enstates that the said group is open to free exercise of religion, we are hence covered by the free speach amendment to the freedom of wanting the side item banned

LOL

i would like a example as to a movie or book that "Bashes" around another religion
because it is only fare that i gave you a said example

fail to see how a book or a movie is such a threat to your beliefs. Is God that weak that he is in peril because of a made-up story? You seem paranoid.

(OMG) because it says that God was killed by Adam and Eve,

I'm ashamed to belong to a human race that is so sunk in abject ignorance and willful stupidity.

that is from the interviews it is kinda obivous that he is pointing that towards organised religion.

Nice tactic to try to discredit me. I know much more about politics than you think. I realize that the government has control over many things, but I can still write, read, watch, and believe in pretty much whatever I want without government interference. That is my point, and I think you knew that.

:o
if i wanted to disscredit you i would have done it

Please... Thankfully the majority have enough sense not to want to ban books.

ever heard of Banned Books week???

Please...

Why is it that men seem to think that everything can be solved by guns and by force? No thanks, I don't think it would be much of a challenge anyway.

how do you know that i am not a chalenge???

and nice try trying to deny a debate to save shame
but if you wanna hide in your hole go ahead
we also use sticks to sovle our problems too see :smt064
and we also hire people into government that are like you too

also a side note
again i don't care if a movie like this is banned or not
but by law we have our "right to Free speech"
and this was started by you...

 

[handy]

I agree, 6640. I agree that we shouldn't ban the movie and I also agree that athiests do not understand exactly why Christians are up in arms about this movie.

I would imagine that to an athiest, God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit are all ideas. Ideas, philosophy, thoughts. Given that perspective, I can understand why they get a little chagrined when we expouse our theology, because we can come off as looking like we think we are smarter, or have better ideas than others do.

What they don't understand, because they don't know God, is that the Father is a true Father to us. That Jesus and the Holy Spirit are real people, dynamic people who interact with us on a daily basis. I talk with God daily and see His working in my life on a daily basis as well.

To an athiest, a movie about killing God is a movie about fighting an idea that they disagree with. To me, a movie about killing God is as personal as a movie about killing my son or my daughter would be.

I don't call for any ban on it. But, I wouldn't watch this movie or read these books any more than I would read a book that described the murder of my husband Steve as being a good thing, "just as long as it was beautifully told".

 

[OfficerCarson]

because people fail to understand the situation.

all i am doing is stating the fact that pepole have the right to want a movie banned

do i think it should not be shown to children: no

should it be banned: i don't care

but people who march around not showing other religous beliefs respect are wrong

if you ask me to stop telling you about Jesus then i have too.

this all was started when she stated

That's why this country was founded 200 years ago, to get away from oppression of British theocracy. That's why so many have emigrated here, to have freedom to live, work, play, and worship as they choose, not to have a government choose for them.

Somehow I think we're forgetting that. Hopefully it's not too late.

you talk about rights but yet you fail to bring up the fact that people have the right to Freedom of speech, and detailed in that is the right to freedom of religion,
all the original postes above ours simply show a fear that this movie was hate mail to the christian faith. so in reality it all started when i posted my third post not knowing that this was a old topic. pepole viocing there opions were attacked when they tried to make people see it their way.which is all i am trying to do

but instead i get hit with
a shot because someone believes that we should take the hit

very much true cencorship is bad

but the fact that its theme is to get across his ideas that God was killed by Adam and Eve is wrong.

it is not so much that the normal person that i am worried about it is children who go to the movie thinking it is about something else

Jesus said that it is better to a tie mill stone around your neck and throw your self in lake then to harm a child.

i believe this is mentally and physically

i am human
when i first saw the commercial i was captivated by it
i was like i wanna go see that.
i said this till i read about the movie and the author

again like i stated above the children
do i care if geekgirlkelli sees it: NO

I simply show a fear that the media lacks the telling of his ideas in the movie

 

[cyberjosh]

I have ambivilent feelings about movies in general. I think I'm going to watch this movie just to evaluate it, I was already planning on seeing it because it looked cool. I'm good at picking out brainwashing techniques if they are used. I watched the DaVinci Code and it was laughable. I'm not so sure if the movie will have an agenda though. I suppose I'll find out. If it's bad, then I'll "ban" it, and give a comprehensive review of why it was bad. There actually is a site that evaluates movies from a Christian perspective, but I can't think of it at the moment...

 

[handy]

There actually is a site that evaluates movies from a Christian perspective, but I can't think of it at the moment...

You're probably thinking of pluggedinonline. I use it all the time. What I like best is that they put everything, positive, negative, spiritual, even down to how many bad word there are. They do a conclusion, but there's always enough information that I can make up my own mind regarding the movie. I highly recommend it.

It's associated with Dobson's Focus on the Family site.

 

[geekgirlkelli]

LOL

funny

you wanna know what if you have the coruage to attack me here without taking it to the debate forum
you have problems

When did I attack you? You attacked me, thank you very much. Disagreeing isn't attacking and the fact that you don't realize that is reason enough for me to decline a debate with you.

LOL
i would i am not going to lie
okay so lets just give ammo to the Iraqis
sounds good.

Ooookay?!

FREE EXERCISE OF RELIGION

''The Free Exercise Clause . . . withdraws from legislative power, state and federal, the exertion of any restraint on the free exercise of religion.

Uh, I never once disagreed with this. In fact, it just strengthens my point.

this therfore enstates that the said group is open to free exercise of religion, we are hence covered by the free speach amendment to the freedom of wanting the side item banned

Did I ever say I wanted to ban your freedom to say that the movie should be banned? No. I merely pointed out how banning said movie would be unconstitutional and not the kind of thing I want the government regulating. Never did I even hint at the thought of usurping your right to free speech. Freedom of speech is give and take. You have to remember that though you have the right to free speech, using it to say that someone else should be denied theirs is very hypocritical.

i would like a example as to a movie or book that "Bashes" around another religion
because it is only fare that i gave you a said example

The entire Left Behind series is one I can think of off the top of my head. Sorry, but I don't believe that I'm going to be left behind because I don't believe the same as Jerry Jenkins and Tim Lahaye, and I find that premise as offensive as you find Golden Compass.

(OMG) because it says that God was killed by Adam and Eve,

OMG! It's a story. If a story is going to hurt your beliefs, then maybe your beliefs weren't worth believing in to begin with.

ever heard of Banned Books week???

Did you even read what I wrote?

if i wanted to disscredit you i would have done it

and nice try trying to deny a debate to save shame
but if you wanna hide in your hole go ahead
we also use sticks to sovle our problems too see :smt064
and we also hire people into government that are like you too

If you were my kid you wouldn't be able to sit down right now. Not now and probably not for the next week. You're a disrespectful little brat and I sure hope that if you really plan on winning the hearts and minds of people, you learn how to earn a little respect from them first.

also a side note
again i don't care if a movie like this is banned or not
but by law we have our "right to Free speech"
and this was started by you...

No one was questioning your right to free speech. You're the one who went off half-cocked.

~Kelli

 

[sisterchristian]

Have you heard about this case? Great answer from the Judge!

In Florida , an atheist became incensed over the preparation of Easter and Passover holidays. He decided to contact his lawyer about the discrimination inflicted on atheists by the constant celebrations afforded to Christians and Jews with all their holidays while atheists had no holiday to celebrate.

The case was brought before a judge. After listening to the long passionate representation by the lawyer, the Judge banged his gavel and declared, 'Case dismissed!'

The lawyer immediately stood and objected to the ruling and said, 'Your Honor, how can you possibly dismiss this case? The Christians have Christmas Easter and many other observances. Jews have Passover, Yom Kippur and Hanukkah...yet my client and all other atheists have no such holiday!'

The judge leaned forward in his chair and simply said, Obviously your client is too confused to even know about, much less celebrate his own atheists' holiday!'

The lawyer pompously said, 'Your Honor, we are unaware of any such holiday for atheists Just when might that holiday be, your Honor?'

The judge said, 'Well it comes every year on exactly the same date---April 1st ! Since our calendar sets April 1st as 'April Fools Day,' consider that Psalm 14:1 states, 'The fool says in his heart, there is no God.' Thus, in my opinion, if your client says there is no God, then by scripture, he is a fool, and April 1st is his holiday!

Now, have a good day and get out of my courtroom!!

 

[geekgirlkelli]

Cute story. It's not true.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/atheist.asp

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/a/ ... oliday.htm

I have a lot of atheist friends with whom I discuss religion and politics regularly and I honestly can't think of one that wishes to have holidays banned, or one that thinks that holidays in of themselves are discriminatory. This is unfounded rhetoric either based on fear or meant to propagate fear of atheists.

~Kelli

 

[VaultZero4Me]

I know. We can be very scary individuals.

Boo!

Did you jump? 8)

 

[OfficerCarson]

nope :smt104

why do you ask? :smt104

you no scary... :smt015