Becoming Rich under the anointing

[Oscar3]

The Gospel that makes you Rich

"JESUS IS NOT SICK - I DON'T HAVE TO BE SICK." If I said that for you to live from paycheck to paycheck is to deny the power of the gospel, many of you would get angry. In Luke 4:18 ... Notice there was an anointing to preach good news to the poor. A lot of people don't like to look at that because good news to a poor man is that he doesn't have to be poor anymore. Yet over 90% of the church of Jesus Christ are living in absolute financial bondage. All the while, Jesus is saying, 'I've been anointed to preach the good news to the poor.' ... You have held back the flow. You have denied the perpetual propulsion of power that could deliver you from not only sin and sickness but from the horrible stench of poverty." (Rod Parsley, God's Answer to Insufficient Funds. 1992, pp. 46-47.) According to Parsleys logic, Jesus has all power and authority. Should we have all power and authority? Jesus is present everywhere should we be present everywhere? Is there any difference between Jesus and his people?


To read the entire article on how to become rich by fleecing the sheep,
check out the link below

http://www.letusreason.org/Wf28.htm

 

[Oscar3]

Creflo Dollar - An honest false prophet

Creflo A. Dollar may be may favorite televangelist; why? because he may be the most honest. Look at his name; there is no way a man so obsessed with money just happens to be named after his favorite subject. He even replaced the cross on his pulpit with his own initials. Be that as it may, there are countless other problems.

Primarily, Doc Dollar does not believe Jesus was God.

If Jesus came as God, then why did God have to anoint him? If Jesus - See God’s already anointed. If Jesus came as God, then why did God have to anoint him? Jesus came as a man, that’s why it was legal to anoint Him. God doesn’t need anointed. He is anointing. Jesus came as a man and at age thirty, God is now getting ready to demonstrate to us and give us an example of what a man with the anointing can do.

Not only was Jesus not God, he wasn’t perfect

....But Jesus didn’t show up perfect. He grew into His perfection. You know Jesus - one scripture in the bible - he went on a journey, he was tired. You better hope God don’t get tired. Isaiah 50 says, 50, 60, somewheres says where we have a God who fainteth not, neither is wearied? But Jesus did. If He came as God and he got tired; He says he sat down by the well because he was tired. Boy we’re in trouble.

....And somebody said, well, Jesus came as God! Well, how many of you know the Bible says God never sleeps nor slumbers? And yet in the book of Mark we see Jesus asleep in the back of the boat. (pause) Please listen to me. Please listen to me. This ain’t no heresy. I’m not some false prophet. I’m just reading this thing out to you of the Bible. I’m just telling you, you all these fantasy preacher have been preaching all of this stuff for all of these years and we bought the package! (Creflo Dollar Ministries: World Changers, 12/8/2002)

Hmm, problematic. If Jesus was not the son of God, neither was he perfect, why would Cref (do you mind if I call you “Cref?â€Â) be a preacher? Well, here we see a statement of “belief†which isn’t all that bad, though thoroughly contradicted by Cref’s words. But sure, some people slip up, make mistakes, etc. I’m sure Doc Dollar had a good reason for entering the ministry:

World Changers Ministries (WCM) is the “parent†company of World Changers Church International (WCCI), Creflo Dollar Ministries (CDM), and International Covenant Ministries (ICM). Arrow Records is an affiliate member of the WCM family of companies. Dr. Creflo A. Dollar is the Chief Executive Officer of WCM and President of ICM. Taffi L. Dollar is the CEO of Arrow Records. They are the Pastors and Founders of WCCI. WCM is responsible for all the administrative support and corporate oversight of the various entities….WCM’s leadership team, known as the Executive Cabinet….

What kind of church needs a parent company?

Oh, yeah, and at Cref’s home site we find

Foundational beliefs: The Bible is the written and inspired Word of God. Jesus Christ is the Son of God. The saints of God will be raptured. There is eternal life in either heaven or hell-you chose. There is an indwelling and a baptism in the Holy Spirit. Divine healing is ours today through Jesus Christ. Tithing is our covenant connector. Giving determines the amount of our increase. We should be baptized in the name of the Father,Son, and Holy Spirit.

You will be given information on how to contact this ministry and the opportunity to explore the answers to frequently asked questions. Start here and be blessed!

Fascinating.

Cref is one of those newfangled health and wealth preachers. He has built an empire (literally) feeding on people’s fear and greed.

Now, last night we began to deal with the relationship between peace and prosperity, and we found out that the Hebrew word for "peace" is the word "shalom," and that word means "wholeness, completeness, nothing missing and nothing broken." And we read, and we'll look at it again tonight, it says "my soul is far from prosperity." Why? "Because my soul's far from peace because I forgot prosperity." We established last night that you are not whole until you get your money. Amen. Amen. (Praise The Lord, July 20, 1999)

He is the kind of preacher who says “Blessed are the meek; for they shall inherit the earth†(Matthew 5:5 KJV) as a justification for owning a Rolls Royce. He even states “I'm telling you, Jesus wasn't poor, and He didn't wear no rags, either. Like we march in on these Easter little plays that we do at our church, with those raggedy sheets on. Jesus didn't have no rags on. He wore designer clothes, honey!†(Creflo Dollar Crusade, Feb. 9, 1999).

The real tragedy of Creflo Dollar is that thousands of people tune in to him and are led astray by aiming too low. To say that the meek shall inherit stuff of this world is selling short those who are meek. Take the world but give me Jesus, or in the words of clichéd comedians “Take my world… Please!.â€Â

People outside of a saving faith are really pathetic creatures. We are ruled by fear and greed: mostly in relation to money; we are afraid we won’t have enough or we want to have more. Cref and his ilk have made it there business to exploit human nature, not to save souls or store treasure in heaven but to store treasures on earth, and lots of it. And it’s working. Some say “sex sellsâ€Â. Sure, maybe beer and weekends in Cabo, but fear and greed sell everything else. You never see adds for necessities that promote the product as being just enough or sufficient.

But here is the point: there is a dead world out there that needs to be brought to life. It is blinded by heretics, fear, false prophets, and greed. It is the responsibility of the true church, the one that believes that Christ not only was the son of God, but is God. Thousands crowd buildings to be told that God wants them to be wealthy while little churches that preach the truth stand empty. They send money so someone will pray to save them from their poverty when we will pray for their salvation for free. Our message of the true gift of God, not just from God, can no longer linger cloistered among our church groups. Why don’t those who speak the truth evangelize with the same effort as those who teach lies? Is it because there’s no money in it?

Blessed are the meek; for they shall inherit an earth more beautiful than anything we can imagine, but they won’t give it a second thought because their longing is for the God who made the stuff, not the stuff itself.

 

[Oscar3]

 

[Gabbylittleangel]

Howdy Oscar,

I would like to invite you to my thread.

http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopi ... highlight=

 

[Oscar3]

Mike Murdock is one of these preachers who can stand in front of virtually anyone and preach about getting rich and never blink an eye. He has no shame when it comes to asking for money and promising you will get it back 30, 60, 100 fold. He continues to amaze me yet today. Read below and see for yourself. You also will be amazed.

http://www.forgottenword.org/murdock.html

 

[Oscar3]

Second Coming
A jet-settin', Scotch-sippin' Robert Tilton washes up in South Florida
and he still wants your money
by Sean Rowe, Dallas Observer

Sitting in Ross Perot's favorite booth at a fancy Dallas restaurant, Leigh Valentine eats half of her low-fat redfish and then explains her husband's "disguise kit." The kit contained several fake moustaches and a $1,200 custom-made wig. Robert Tilton, the Texas televangelist, carried it everywhere, and during their first year of marriage he wore disguises "50 percent of the time," Valentine says.

It's a tale she's told before, under oath in divorce court--the disguise kit, and the nights aboard a yacht in Fort Lauderdale or in various mansions where Tilton would throw her down stairs, slam her against walls, or hurl cordless telephones at her head; how Tilton would drink himself into blind rages and declare he was the Pope, or wake up in the night screaming that "rats were eating his brain."

http://www.forgottenword.org/tilton.html

 

[Oscar3]

http://www.thepropheticyears.com/reason ... othing.HTM

 

[Gabbylittleangel]

WWJD?

Take a real good look at the faces in the photos that have been posted in this thread.

When Jesus Christ hung on the cross, wearing a crown of thorns, after the Roman guards had spit on him, scourged him and drove the nails in his hands...he did it for every one of those people. And He did it for Oscar.
If all of them stood before the Lord tonight, I wonder who would bare the most shame?

Oscar, I started a thread asking if people prayed for the people in the spotlight who are preaching the gospel. You said you did.

I have never been able to pray for someone to be saved, to be healed of their backsliding, or to be stopped from their false teaching and at the same time be able to ridicule, mock, and degrade them ~ knowing that Jesus Christ died for them.

How do you do it?

 

[Oscar3]

WWJD?

Take a real good look at the faces in the photos that have been posted in this thread.

Yea, I know there are many that still need to go up, but thats what I found in the web. Google false teachers and those homies are but just a few who come up.

When Jesus Christ hung on the cross, wearing a crown of thorns, after the Roman guards had spit on him, scourged him and drove the nails in his hands...he did it for every one of those people. And He did it for Oscar.
If all of them stood before the Lord tonight, I wonder who would bare the most shame?

My Guess would be Benny hinn, with Ken copeland a close second

Oscar, I started a thread asking if people prayed for the people in the spotlight who are preaching the gospel. You said you did.

Yes, I sure did. Go back and read it. You will see that I do pray for those who preach the Gospel Of Jesus Christ.
These False teachers are preaching ''Another Gospel''

I have never been able to pray for someone to be saved, to be healed of their backsliding, or to be stopped from their false teaching and at the same time be able to ridicule, mock, and degrade them ~ knowing that Jesus Christ died for them.
How do you do it?

Its easy. I care more for those that get fleeced than those who do the fleecing. If I can save some folks from giving their hard earned money to these wolves, then Great!!!!!
These guys are no differant than the money Changers that Jesus kicked out of the temple. This is what Jesus did and so this is what Oscar is doing.

 

[JM]

Nice!

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[Gabbylittleangel]

Okey dokey Oscar,

No doubt you believe that you are a man who is deep into the things of God and you are believing that you are helping God out by throwing stones at the folks in your photo. Being a student of the Bible as you are, you must be aware of how dangerous it is to speak against Gods people. The following passage shows what happens when we make God angry.

Num 12:1 And Miriam and Aaron spake against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married: for he had married an Ethiopian woman.
Num 12:2 And they said, Hath the LORD indeed spoken only by Moses? hath he not spoken also by us? And the LORD heard [it].
Num 12:3 (Now the man Moses [was] very meek, above all the men which [were] upon the face of the earth.)
Num 12:4 And the LORD spake suddenly unto Moses, and unto Aaron, and unto Miriam, Come out ye three unto the tabernacle of the congregation. And they three came out.
Num 12:5 And the LORD came down in the pillar of the cloud, and stood [in] the door of the tabernacle, and called Aaron and Miriam: and they both came forth.
Num 12:6 And he said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, the LORD will make myself known unto him in a vision, [and] will speak unto him in a dream.
Num 12:7 My servant Moses [is] not so, who [is] faithful in all mine house.
Num 12:8 With him will I speak mouth to mouth, even apparently, and not in dark speeches; and the similitude of the LORD shall he behold: wherefore then were ye not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?
Num 12:9 ¶ And the anger of the LORD was kindled against them; and he departed.
Num 12:10 And the cloud departed from off the tabernacle; and, behold, Miriam [became] leprous, [white] as snow: and Aaron looked upon Miriam, and, behold, [she was] leprous.

Certainly you are not concerned because. no doubt you believe that there is not a man of God in your cute little photo. And I can see that I am not going to discourage you from your stone throwing. You are just having way too much fun.

Without naming names I am going to spell some things out for you. I recognize at least one of the people in your photo as a mob associate. Unless you have a martyr complex, or you are called by God to poke fun at the mob, I would have to question the wisdom in doing such.

I recognize at least two of the folks in your photo as men of God who have mafia problems. When the mob can not stop a man of God, they will do things to them to discredit them. Apparently, their attack is working. It seems as if you are helping them out with all your hard work to discredit them. But they do their best to serve God in the midst of it.

At least one of the people in your photo is a Holy man of God who has come to visit me personally (on his own time - paid his way here - did not take up any collections while here) to discuss his/mine/our mafia problems, and so he could pray for my healing from things suffered because of mafia attacks. I am nobody. I make slightly above minimum wage. I was not fleeced.

Oscar, if you prayed for any of those folks, I tend to believe that you did not sit still long enough to listen to what God had to say.

 

[D46]

I think we need to realize that not everyone that claims the name of Jesus is on the up and up. Jesus said, in Matthew 7:22-23, "Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." there are many wolves out there in sheep's clothing and it's our responsibility to know the difference and shun such a one and expose that person for what he is.

 

[Oscar3]

Okey dokey Oscar,

No doubt you believe that you are a man who is deep into the things of God and you are believing that you are helping God out by throwing stones at the folks in your photo. Being a student of the Bible as you are, you must be aware of how dangerous it is to speak against Gods people. The following passage shows what happens when we make God angry.

Gab
Should you not then practice what you preach??? Why Are you throwing stones at me??? Don't you live in a Glass house? It seems to me that you are also a WOF believer.

Num 12:1 And Miriam and Aaron spake against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married: for he had married an Ethiopian woman.
Num 12:2 And they said, Hath the LORD indeed spoken only by Moses? hath he not spoken also by us? And the LORD heard [it].
Num 12:3 (Now the man Moses [was] very meek, above all the men which [were] upon the face of the earth.)
Num 12:4 And the LORD spake suddenly unto Moses, and unto Aaron, and unto Miriam, Come out ye three unto the tabernacle of the congregation. And they three came out.
Num 12:5 And the LORD came down in the pillar of the cloud, and stood [in] the door of the tabernacle, and called Aaron and Miriam: and they both came forth.
Num 12:6 And he said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, the LORD will make myself known unto him in a vision, [and] will speak unto him in a dream.
Num 12:7 My servant Moses [is] not so, who [is] faithful in all mine house.
Num 12:8 With him will I speak mouth to mouth, even apparently, and not in dark speeches; and the similitude of the LORD shall he behold: wherefore then were ye not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?
Num 12:9 ¶ And the anger of the LORD was kindled against them; and he departed.
Num 12:10 And the cloud departed from off the tabernacle; and, behold, Miriam [became] leprous, [white] as snow: and Aaron looked upon Miriam, and, behold, [she was] leprous. .

LOL, Talk about taking verses out of context. Gab even you know better than this

Certainly you are not concerned because. no doubt you believe that there is not a man of God in your cute little photo. And I can see that I am not going to discourage you from your stone throwing. You are just having way too much fun.

Without naming names I am going to spell some things out for you. I recognize at least one of the people in your photo as a mob associate. Unless you have a martyr complex, or you are called by God to poke fun at the mob, I would have to question the wisdom in doing such.

I recognize at least two of the folks in your photo as men of God who have mafia problems. When the mob can not stop a man of God, they will do things to them to discredit them. Apparently, their attack is working. It seems as if you are helping them out with all your hard work to discredit them. But they do their best to serve God in the midst of it.

At least one of the people in your photo is a Holy man of God who has come to visit me personally (on his own time - paid his way here - did not take up any collections while here) to discuss his/mine/our mafia problems, and so he could pray for my healing from things suffered because of mafia attacks. I am nobody. I make slightly above minimum wage. I was not fleeced.

Oscar, if you prayed for any of those folks, I tend to believe that you did not sit still long enough to listen to what God had to say.

Well there you go. I rest my case. If indeed what you say is true, then what are you saying, that trinity is run by the Mob? I would not be surprised if it were true. Anything for a buck right.

On a second note. There are too many pics floating around the net on those guys. All those pics I found. Google false teacher or wolf in sheeps clothing and you will find all the things I am posting. :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D

 

[Oscar3]

I think we need to realize that not everyone that claims the name of Jesus is on the up and up. Jesus said, in Matthew 7:22-23, "Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." there are many wolves out there in sheep's clothing and it's our responsibility to know the difference and shun such a one and expose that person for what he is.

Yep, I agree with you 100%
Amen and Amen.

 

[Oscar3]

Ten Reasons to Reject
WORD-of-FAITH Teachings
by Tricia Tillin

(This is a short summary. For an in-depth scriptural study please go to "Wells Without Water".)
When 'Positive Confession' first arrived in this country, it transformed some dead churches and struggling Christians. Many who had fought against the odds to survive as Christians found a new life of victory; the idea that believers were doomed to be the victims of circumstance and helpless in the face of satanic attack was challenged. This was good and useful, and served to increase our faith in the truths of scripture.

However, as so often in Church history, a movement that came to popular acclaim through such supposedly good fruit soon revealed its true nature as something more like a cult, with extremes of belief that brought the Name of the Lord into disrepute. Unfortunately, it seems this was inevitable - the roots of the doctrine were firmly planted in the soil of the metaphysical cults. The errors that produced New Thought and Christian Science had also produced Word-of-Faith as a Christianised version. (for more information, see the tract 'They Want Your Mind'.)

Now, the whole content, goal and product of the various Word-of-Faith ministries has to be questioned. Although there seems to be fruit, in the form of healings and new converts, we have to ask how genuine these are and how sound is the foundational teaching such new converts will receive? We also have to question the need for Ministers to live in great luxury, demanding millions of pounds for an ever-increasing number of projects, some of which never materialise.

The ultimate goal of such ministries also needs to be examined in the light of scripture. Are we witnessing a global awakening that will transform all nations and bring wealth and success to all the Church? Or is this triumphalism a delusion which will ensnare thousands of well-meaning believers in the satanic trap of the New Age, and cause them - unthinkingly - to set up a worldwide kingdom for the Antichrist?

READ ON for ten reasons for rejecting Word-of-Faith doctrine.


REASON ONE:
It requires 'revelation knowledge'.
Like the gnostic heresies all through the ages, Word-of-Faith needs special knowledge in order to be effective. Leaders see themselves as having a commission to bring new spiritual revelation to the Body, and they condemn 'sense-knowledge' as inadequate. In this scheme, it is not sin and disobedience that causes us to fail, but ignorance of the Word. Moreover, this revelation knowledge is limited to the few who can receive it; the less intelligent are at a disadvantage. This is elitism.

 

[Oscar3]

REASON TWO:
It makes the Almighty God and Creator a weak 'faith-being' who is at the mercy of His own universal laws.
Although Word-of-Faith ministers speak of God in a personal way, they treat Him like an impersonal 'energy source' with 'forces' that can be operated by the use of laws - laws which even God has to obey in order to create and run His universe. God, they say, has left the control of the planet in man's hands and is powerless to intervene without a covenant partner. God's omnipotence and sovereignty is damaged by these teachings.

 

[Oscar3]

REASON THREE:
It makes the Divine Son of God into a born-again man who had to die in Hell to pay the price for our treason.
Jesus, according to Word-of-Faith doctrine, discarded His divine powers and walked earth as a mere man filled with The Spirit. He had to use the Word and the laws of faith to do miracles. When He died, His blood did not atone, but He had to take upon Himself the very sin-nature of the Devil, causing His spirit to die, and suffer three days and nights of hellish torment AS A MAN before the Father gave the command for Him to be re-created as a re-born man. Thus, they say, Jesus was just the first of many sons, the Pattern for us all to follow.

 

[Oscar3]

REASON FOUR:
It elevates man to equality with Jesus.
A consequence of the 'Jesus-died-spiritually' doctrine is that all born-again Christians stand in the same place of power and authority as Jesus - not by virtue of their unity with Him, but in themselves, as men filled with the Spirit. This would mean that we have already been resurrected from the dead and it only remains for us to gain 'knowledge' of our new condition in order to discard the trappings of the fleshly body and begin living as spiritual gods on earth!

Thus, the Christian walk is one of education in using the same spiritual laws as Jesus in order to dominate the circumstances and do miracles. In Word-of-Faith teaching, believers do not depend on God's own power, nor submit to His will, but feel they have the right to develop their own powers, and to discover the laws governing creation and dominion on the earth.