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Bible Study Bible Study from Gen.-Rev. For What The Godhead Teach About Theirselves

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Elijah674

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First lets read that God is a Spirit. And you can read that He was very active in creations first week until Adam sinned & lost his earthly domain!

John 4:24
[23] But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
[24] God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

We see the Word Father, and then God is a Spirit. Still not to clear except we are talking of spiritual worship for the Father + us.

In Gen. 1 we find this.. Surely we see two of US with an Image that Adam + Eve were created as stated, ‘AFTER OUR IMAGE’.
[26] And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
[27] So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

So far it does not take any of the Jer. 17:5 of history to find that Inspiration has said that God Is a Spirit, or as found elsewhere as Holy Ghost.

And the us is also found said elsewhere. But for there to be an ‘US’ with an Image, we know that it requires at least two with an image. So we will look at angels first to find both good & bad angels. And then the documentation of angels being created + are ministering spirits.

Heb. 1
[7] And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. (and also Eze. 28 finds Lucifer a created angel being)

Lets post these verses of 1 Kings 22 also for one to see both the bad with the good SPIRITS! (have you got that ‘spirit’ word seen?)

[19] And he said, Hear thou therefore the word of the LORD: I saw the LORD sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing by him on his right hand and on his left.
[20] And the LORD said, Who shall persuade Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramoth-gilead? And one said on this manner, and another said on that manner.
[21] And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will persuade him.

[22] And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of [all his prophets]. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so.

[23] Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee. (compare Rev. 17:1-5 for the Lord’s permitting of this)


But the point is, is that angels were not the ones of Gen. talking with each other! In other Words, only God was on the scene before Adam was created in Their Image. And He was talking with an EQUAL! And to cary this a step further without any creed or any from Jer. 17:5’s false ones, lets see who ONLY HAS AGAPE [IMMORTALITY]? 1 Tim. has it Inspired this way...

[17] Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen. + 1 Tim. 6...

[15] Which in his times he shall shew, ;who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords

[16] Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

OK: Immortal. With three such ones. Two with an Image & one completely ‘spiritual’.

Lets find another good OT verse where we can be sure that God has this Image that we still favor, at least some/what. In Exod. 33 we find this Inspired documentation...

[13] Now therefore, I pray thee, if I have found grace in thy sight, shew me now thy way, that I may know thee, that I may find grace in thy sight: and consider that this nation is thy people.
[14] And he said, My presence shall go with thee, and I will give thee rest.
[15] And he said unto him, If thy presence go not with me, carry us not up hence.
[16] For wherein shall it be known here that I and thy people have found grace in thy sight? is it not in that thou goest with us? so shall we be separated, I and thy people, from all the people that are upon the face of the earth.

[17] And the LORD said unto Moses, I will do this thing also that thou hast spoken: for thou hast found grace in my sight, and I know thee by name.
[18] And he said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory.
[19] And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy.

[20] And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live. (but God does indeed have a FACE that we were created similar to, HE says!)
[21] And the LORD said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock:
[22] And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:
[23] And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.

If one BELIEVES God?? we find His Image some what at least as we were originally created in. But NO, most will believe as Gen. 3:4 says, from the evil ‘s’pirit of satan’s mouth.

--Elijah

 
I posted this Bible Study on another site & Gary gave some more good input in the below posting. (+ his OK to post up here)
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Great Post Elijah!

Exodus 33 is one of the places in Scripture that Prove God is MORE THAN just an invisible Spirit!

I don't have time to look up the others, so if I make a mistake here, blame it on my failing memory of old age, hi hi.....

"For I have seen God face to face." Genesis 32:23-30
"And the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend." Exodus 33:11

"And the Lord said, my spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh:" That word "also" and the colon. Genesis 6:3

I'm adding the following, tongue in cheek, but food for thought!

God has a Mouth: Or, how can He speak? Ex. 19:9; John 12:28-29
God has Eyes: Or, how can He see? Psalms 94:7-11
God has a Nose: Or, how can He smell? Genesis 8:21
God has Feet: Or, how can He stand? Job 19:25

TTUL
Gary
 
[FONT=Verdana,arial]bodyservant56 wrote: [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana,arial][FONT=Verdana,arial]Gary208 wrote: [/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana,arial][FONT=Verdana,arial]Great Post Elijah! [/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT=Verdana,arial]Exodus 33 is one of the places in Scripture that Prove God is MORE THAN just an invisible Spirit! [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana,arial]I don't have time to look up the others, so if I make a mistake here, blame it on my failing memory of olde age, hi hi..... [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana,arial]"For I have seen God face to face." Genesis 32:23-30 [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,arial]"And the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend." Exodus 33:11 [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana,arial]"And the Lord said, my spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh:" That word "also" and the colon. Genesis 6:3 [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana,arial]I'm adding the following, tongue in cheek, but food for thought! [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana,arial]God has a Mouth: Or, how can He speak? Ex. 19:9; John 12:28-29 [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,arial]God has Eyes: Or, how can He see? Psalms 94:7-11 [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,arial]God has a Nose: Or, how can He smell? Genesis 8:21 [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,arial]God has Feet: Or, how can He stand? Job 19:25 [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana,arial]TTUL [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,arial]Gary [/FONT]
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bodyservant56 wrote:

Jn 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
Jn 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

It seems that brother Apostle John has a different view...

And he repeats it in his first letter...

1Jn 4:12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.

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Interesting!
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A sinless Adam was created & never saw his creater?
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Or is Christ talking about mankind after they had sinned? Something like perhaps the words that there will be 'NO flesh & blood in heaven', which I believe Jesus meant sinful flesh & blood. Surely before Adam sinned he had flesh + blood with his created perfect makeup.

And he lost what to see his own nakedness? And the Wedding 'REQUIRED' GARMENT means what??? (The Rightousness of Christ as 'i' see it)

But on your remarks, why not go back & re/read what the FACE TO FACE meeting with God says again? Or did that need stating another way by me even?? (my sentence of EXPRESSION)
Read it [prayerfully] + [SLOWLY] & see if you get anything more from the verses?

Some things such as the Great Shaking in 2 Thess. 2 before Christ comes again misses the point from some even as for who was shaken [OUT] 'in' Christs FOLD of old Israel. There was a MIDNIGHT CRY!

Many think that that means that the Tares were shaken out instead of those REMAINING being the tares. (see Matt. 23:38 with Matt. 10:5-6 on to verse 15, if you so choose?)

Another oft repeated thought is Christ's WORD of the wheat + tares growing together, and that has the meaning by most that the tares [ARE OPEN SINNERS] allowed in the church, but He taught much different than that, huh? Josh. 7:12's last part of the verse. (+ ibid 13)

Any how, if you still cannot agree with my understanding of the Godhead, 'i' can & will leave it there, for Titus 3:9-11 surely can be understood by both of us, I think? regardless which one of us are teaching doctrinally flawed doctrine. We might do well to check all of our teachings for flaws? James 2:10


--Elijah
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PS: These three seem 'civil' in this Bible study thread.























 
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This seems kind of mormony.

You think so?? In what way?? The Godhead are three seperate Eternal beings as 'i' see it. Jehovah God & Christ God with the image that we were patterened after, along with the Holy Spirit Or Holy Ghost God making up the Unitified Godhead. And now of course we find Christ God became the Son of God.

--Elijah
 
What trinitarians do is to use "let us..." as support for their trinitarian doctrine. Then threaten those who dont believe this with torment in hell. Both of which cannot be found in scripture.

However what everyone, but trinitarians, find in scripture is that Yehovah has a tribunal, a heavenly host, which He consults with. Just as we find regarding Ahab, when Micah said to him, ... I saw Yehovah sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing by him on his right hand and on his left. And the Lord said, Who shall persuade Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramoth-Gilead? And one said on this manner, and another said on that manner.And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the Lord, and said, I will persuade him. And the Lord said to him, With what? I King 22:19-22

Likewise, (Dan. 4:14): “By the decree of the destructive angels is the matter, and by the word of the holy ones is the edict.

In Genesis when He said "Let us make man..." He took counsel with His heavenly host or elders if you will, but they did not assist Him in creation. However trinitarians use the plural as a basis for their doctrine. Had it been written: “I shall make man,” we would not have learned that He was speaking with His tribunal, but to Himself. And the refutation to the heretics is written alongside it “And God created,” and it does not say,“and they created” - [from Genesis Rabbah]
 
What trinitarians do is to use "let us..." as support for their trinitarian doctrine. Then threaten those who dont believe this with torment in hell. Both of which cannot be found in scripture.

However what everyone, but trinitarians, find in scripture is that Yehovah has a tribunal, a heavenly host, which He consults with. Just as we find regarding Ahab, when Micah said to him, ... I saw Yehovah sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing by him on his right hand and on his left. And the Lord said, Who shall persuade Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramoth-Gilead? And one said on this manner, and another said on that manner.And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the Lord, and said, I will persuade him. And the Lord said to him, With what? I King 22:19-22

Likewise, (Dan. 4:14): “By the decree of the destructive angels is the matter, and by the word of the holy ones is the edict.

In Genesis when He said "Let us make man..." He took counsel with His heavenly host or elders if you will, but they did not assist Him in creation. However trinitarians use the plural as a basis for their doctrine. Had it been written: “I shall make man,” we would not have learned that He was speaking with His tribunal, but to Himself. And the refutation to the heretics is written alongside it “And God created,” and it does not say,“and they created” - [from Genesis Rabbah]

God is Immortal (as is the Godhead. Two with an Image that man was patterened after) and the Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost is as stated, that God IS A SPIRIT.

OK: Now to be correctly stated we need to find that His angels are 'created' + 'ministering spirits'. Only created mankind have this image. (and because of satans rebellion, we find both good & bad 'spirits' called angels.)

NOW: Are you saying that the tribunal are created with an image as are mankind? That is to far a stretch for me to reach for!;) And the 'us' is included as in Immortality??? And if one checks the Holy Spirit out as well, He was active from day one on until Adam fell from Grace. And then Adam's domain was surrenedered over to satan. (see Matt. 4:9-10)

It was at about this time that a [now] Adam Holy Spirit/less condemned man, and that was condemed to eternal death, that needed the Godhead's PLAN to restore the fallen race back from satan's fate. And God offered a CONDITIONAL PLAN to Adam & lost mankind on His terms. That include that of once again being Born Again 'spiritually' for another chance to MATURE and be SAFE TO SAVE. Nah. 1:9. (with all provisions IF they would! Phil. 4:13 + 2 Cor. 12:9)

And do you remember what the Holy Spirit was to do (one thing) after Christ sent Him Back? But in between this time, we find the only limits of the Godheads POWER to the area where Christ God was at in the O.T. (He was not omni present) Yet, wherever Christ God was at, He was in full mighty working POWER! (just not omnipresent as of yet)

--Elijah
 
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