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Born Again into the family of God

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golfjack

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It's not important what church one is in. The important think is: What family are you in?

The key which unlocks all the promises of God is this, Jesus taught that a man must be born again. The following Scriptures came from the lips of Jesus: John 3:33; John 3:5; Matt. 18:3; and Luke 13:3, 5.

The New Birth is a necesssity to being saved. Through the New Birth you come into the right relationship to God. The New Birth is necessary before you can claim any of the benefits of the Bible.

The New Birth is not: confirmation, church memborship, water baptism, the taking of sacraments, observing religious duties, an intellectual reception of Christianity, orthoxdoxy of faith, going to church, saying prayers, reading the Bible, being moral, being cultured or refined, doing good deeds, doing your best, nor any of the many other things some men are trusting in to save them.

John 3:7 says Ye must be born again. The thief on the cross, and others Jesus forgave while on earth, were saved without these things. They simply did the one necessary thing, They accepted Jesus Christ as personal Savior by repenting and turning to God with the whole heart as a little child. There are millions, it is sad to say, who are trusting in good works to save them. And millions will die and be lost without the New Birth because they have been misled concerning the experience of being born again.

More later,


May God bless, golfjack
 
golfjack said:
It's not important what church one is in. The important think is: What family are you in? There are millions, it is sad to say, who are trusting in good works to save them. And millions will die and be lost without the New Birth because they have been misled concerning the experience of being born again.

More later, May God bless, golfjack
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Amen -

BTW - welcome to controlled chaos :-D

God bless
 
So Peter had it wrong?

"baptism now saves you" 1 pet 3:20

We don't rely on our baptism but it is the starting point where the new birth is recieved. That is why Jesus says we must be "born of WATER and SPIRIT". In acts 2:38 when asked "what must we do" Peter says "repent and be BAPTIZED for the forgiveness of sins and YOU SHALL RECEIVE THE HOLY SPIRIT.".

In truth it is the Holy Spirit injecting our souls with grace that saves. God chooses to do this at baptism as a response to our obedience to him. Do you say obedience isn't neccessary? How about love?

Blessings
 
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Thess, Now let's see what this water that is mentioned in John 3:5. What is the water of the New Birth? What does this water of the New Birth mean? Does it refer to b eing baptized in water? Does that save you? No, that is not what Jesus is talking about.

The Word of God is the water referred to in John 3:5. Let's prove that by looking through a number of Scriptures.

1. Ephesians 5:26: That he might sanctify and cleanse it ( the church) with the washing of water by the Word.

2. John 6:63: It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profitteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

John 15:3: Nowe ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.

4. John 17:17: Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

5. 1 Peter 1:23: Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

6. James 1:18: Of His own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

One must believe what the Word of God says about man, that man is a sinner and that Christ died to save him from all sin. Then if man will confess his sins to God and turn from sin with a whole heart and believe the Gospel, he is conforming to the Word of God.

Your church has a sacred cow, which should be done away with.


May God bless, golfjack
 
What is the sacred cow? Peter's words? I notice you didn't address them. Or is it baptism we need to get rid of? Well since there is noone who did not get baptized after pentecost to become a Christian I don't think that's a good idea either.

Or is it the Holy Spirit cleansing us and coming in to dwell with us that is our sacred cow? That is after all what Baptism is. That is what saves. You have a problem with either/or theology my friend. It can't be the water because it is the word. That is what I mean. Baptism by water symbolizes washing by the word which is Christ, in whose name we are baptized.

Blessings
 
I agree with eveything AV Bunyon said. The controlled chaos I mean. :lol:

Golfjack, there's an entire Bible you're ignoring if your base your faith only on John 3:7.
 
Folks - it is either Christ alone or you - can't be both - God will share his glory with no man.

Christ alone did the work -

Stay at it golf - rest on the scriptures and Christ

God bless
 
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The symbolic act of baptism is the answer of a good conscience of one who has been saved from the penality of sin ( see Romans 4:1-6) by trusting in the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ ( see Rom. 6:4, 5). The floodwaters symbolize the baptismal waters, which in turn symbolize the salvation that can be obtained through Christ's death ( see Matt. 28:19, 20; Acts 2:38).

So, water baptism is symbolic, but it has nothing to do with saving anyone. In the Book of acts people were baptized in the name of Jesus to show that they were in the body of Christ. Remember, the apostles were given the authority to use the Name of Jesus so they could work miracles of healing and drive out evil spirits. They made thousands of disciples to preach the Gospel to the world, and this anointing belongs to every believer today. Also, they had the baptism of fire at Pentacost, which filled them with the Holy Spirit. In fact, all the Christians that were part of the early church ( churches that Paul established) were Spirit-filled.

I don't know what you mean by obedience. I accepted Christ because of the grace through faith. Abraham, who received the blessings was acknowleged in Hebrews for his great faith. Faith is a big subject, for a later time.


May God bless, golfjack
 
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Mark 7:21-23: Jesus said, forr from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness: All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

The trouble is in the heart, the inward, the spirit. Merely to reform the outward man or the outward life will not save one.

Out of Christ, every man is rotten in the heart. And mere outward correctness of life, apart from Christ, is artificial and the practice of hypocrites, For ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.

We must understand the nature of man. Man is not a physical being. Man is a spirit. In fact, man is a spirit, who possesses a soul, and lives in a body ( 1 Thess. 5:23).

The spirit operates through the soul (man's intellect, emotions, and will). And the soul in turn operates through the physical body.

Now the man (who is spirit) and his soul live in a physical body. At physical death, the man and his soul leave the physical body and go to their eternal home.

More later.

May God bless, golfjack
 
golfjack said:
The New Birth is not: confirmation, church memborship, water baptism, the taking of sacraments, observing religious duties, an intellectual reception of Christianity, orthoxdoxy of faith, going to church, saying prayers, reading the Bible, being moral, being cultured or refined, doing good deeds, doing your best, nor any of the many other things some men are trusting in to save them.
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Absolutely agree . . . so how do you say, one is born again?
 
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