Busting the Protestant Myths

[Gary]

... actually, MOST Christians know that John Wesley was the founder of the Methodist Church. No need to Google-search for that. Or look in any simple Church history book or "who's who" in Christian history. I can recommend a few books to you.

Ever been to a Methodist church service ex-Pastor?

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Yes I have, pumpkin.

Ever pick your feet in Poughkeepsie?

While you were in the Methodist church, ex-pastor, you should have picked up the "Methodist Service Book" and you should have paged through it and seen that John Wesley is mentioned many times in that book. I will only refer you to one such place. In the Preface (that is near the beginning) you should have read:

In 1784 John Wesley published The Sunday Service of the Methodists in North America......

That should have been your clue.

Or maybe you were picking your feet in Poughkeepsie at the time.

It happens. Ex-pastors do not like to listen to Ministers.

 

[Orthodoxy]

However historical facts show the Baptist Church was begun in 1609 by John Wesley....

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http://www.baptisthistory.org/baptistbeginnings.htm

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1609 Baptist Church founded by John Smyth, due to objections to infant baptism and demands for church-state separation

Sorry I got the name wrong. My mistake.......

From your own site there Gary. Read it and weep for those lost souls that think Baptists are not rebels against the "Church of England" founded by an adulterous king, twice removed from the Christian faith:

Our best historical evidence says that Baptists came into existence in England in the early seventeenth century.

General Baptists.–The General Baptists got their name because they believed in a general atonement. They believed Christ died for all people generally, and that whoever would believe in Christ could be saved. The first General Baptist church, led by John Smyth, was founded in Amsterdam, Holland, in 1608/09. Its members were English refugees who had fled England to escape religious persecution.

John Smyth was a minister in the Church of England. As a student and later as a pastor and teacher, he developed Puritan and Separatist views and sought to bring biblical reform to the church. When this failed, he joined a small Separatist congregation in Gainsborough, near London. As these Separatists grew so that it became dangerous for them to meet openly, they divided into two groups for convenience. One group moved to Scrooby Manor, where they were led by John Robinson, William Brewster, and William Bradford. Later, this little band became the nucleus of the "Pilgrim Fathers" who sailed to America on the Mayflower.

So Gary in your attempt to discredit me you proved my point. The baptist protestant religion was begun by a man protesting a king that made up his own Church in rebellion to the Roman Catholic Church. Note that no orthodox are mentioned.

and look at the first part of this site:

No one knows who first brought Christianity to England or when.

Only if you ignore the 1st 1000 years of the Church. Fact is Lief Erickson who founded north America was ... you guessed it ... Orthodox Christian. The Orthodox Church brought Christianity to Great Britian.


Orthodoxy

 

[Orthodoxy]

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You guys are hilarious!

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Thank God truth speaks for itself!

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What is truth? Who defines "truth"?

Do you have anything to contribute to the thread topic or are you another distracting little child?

This place reminds me of my sons 4th grade class where there were always three to four ADD children that disrupted the class and got others in trouble when they attempt to tell them to shut up.

Orthodoxy

Disrupting? Hardly!

So is that a no you are not another disruptive little child in need of supervision?

[quote:708de]And the attitude you take on in that reply reminds me of those stick in the mud teachers, that would be so quick to slap the hand of their students with a ruler! Yeah, as if what you have to say is of any real value to those who find your post of no use to them. Even though, anyone is allowed to laugh if they so choose!

I see. Another disruptive anti authority child that believes he can run though the class willy nilly stealing the education of others. I knew it.

So you cannot answer specific questions either I see. Let's try again.

What is truth? Who defines "truth"?

This is a WEB FORUM, a place on the web where the there are no rules that indicate we are not allowed to laugh or point out humor, or participate in a thread because the one who created it says stay out of it if you don't' have anything to contribute to it. NOR DID I GO OFF TOPIC!

No you are on topic with the anti authority, anti Church government, anti Christ myth that you are your own pope. Have you even read the rules of engagement? Can you read with a 1st grade level education??

I contributed a laugh at the ridiculousness of the bickering that you are doing because cj joined in on the discussion on this thread

cj is an imbicile that cannot answer a specific question but continues to critize the question and not answer it. He state he would get back with me on my list of questions that he simple wont answer because he is to busy condemning me. I just dont want him hyjacking another thread with his unfounded attacks against my person. He is lucky he is not standing in front of me when he says some of the things he does I might just slap him silly.

And if you don't like it then I suggest you take your comments to the mods to tell them you refuse to allow anyone disrupting "your" thread or to laugh at anything that is going on or to laugh at anything that was written in "YOUR" thread, and see how far you that would get you!

I have and they have ignored me. So you are correct the moderators are a joke.

Now back to myth busting. Do you have a intellegent comment on the topic of "call no man father" or are you just going to rant and rave like a little child having a tantrum?

Orthodoxy

:-? What is your problem?

That is not clear? My problem is disruptive twits that cannot answer questions and only can hyjack threads with person attacks to avoid looking more stupid that they already do. I see your fitting the mold well.

Did I commmit some kind of a horrible sin by laughing at the childishness of your bickering and refuting people who make contributions to this thread.

No your just being another imbicile disrupting a thread with meat.

I can understand if they go off topic and you suggest they create another thread for that subject, but for you to get upset because of what you deem as an unworthy contribution to the thread is childishness that is coming from you! Sheesch! Did I advocate some kind of a sin or something? I don't think so! :o

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Have you answered any pertainent questions placed on this thread? No. Just rambling, ranting, disrupting and being coy and evasive. A typical protestant with limited biblical knowledge it would appear. Beware your intellegence is showing.

BTW if you have nothing constructive to say about the topic at hand please feel free to disrupt someone elses thread with your childish rants.

Thanks.

Orthodoxy

 

[Orthodox Christian]

... actually, MOST Christians know that John Wesley was the founder of the Methodist Church. No need to Google-search for that. Or look in any simple Church history book or "who's who" in Christian history. I can recommend a few books to you.

Ever been to a Methodist church service ex-Pastor?

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Yes I have, pumpkin.

Ever pick your feet in Poughkeepsie?

While you were in the Methodist church, ex-pastor, you should have picked up the "Methodist Service Book" and you should have paged through it and seen that John Wesley is mentioned many times in that book. I will only refer you to one such place. In the Preface (that is near the beginning) you should have read:

In 1784 John Wesley published The Sunday Service of the Methodists in North America......

That should have been your clue.

Or maybe you were picking your feet in Poughkeepsie at the time.

It happens. Ex-pastors do not like to listen to Ministers.

While you're preening your feathers on this one, Gary, call to mind that I had no confusion as to John Wesley was. Then, armed with the knowledge that you've been mustering your offenses in the wrong place, proceed to the wash basin to soak your head.

BTW: I've already recommended some books on Christian history. I'll see if I can spot one on Amazon for you in the subject area of reading comprehension.

 

[Relic]

Orthodxy,

Your bully attitude and personal insults just prove your character. "Your" self claimed authority means nothing to me. Like I said, Truth speaks for itself. And those who know what truth is will see your personality just shine right through in how you respond to others in all in all of these postings of yours.

You aren't worth bickering with. Keep up the spirit, it proves what you really are in your heart.

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[Orthodoxy]

http://www.baptisthistory.org/baptistbeginnings.htm[/url]

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That site has an accurate historical rendering, as opposed to Landmarkists, whom they reference in the intro to beginnings...

Sarcasm aside, the Wesley confusion is easy to understand, since the brothers Charles and John and their Methodist brethren also sprang from the Church of England, though roughly one hundred years after John Smyth left his post as Anglican priest and initiated his work in Holland.

Not everyone who studies Christian history is well versed in the history of Protestantism, just as few Protestants know much about what happened prior to Wycliffe/Tyndale/Foxe/Calvin/Luther. I recommend Wiliston Walker "A History of the Christian Church" or Philip Schaff's "History of the Christian Church."

Both do an acceptable job of summarizing 20 centuries and 6 continents of Christian history.

Thanks to Gary, always quick to Google and catch a mistake.[/quote:7261c]

Leave it to critical hearts like Gary's to point out a slight mistake before I could even correct it. Talk about anal.

 

[Orthodoxy]

Orthodxy,

Your bully attitude and personal insults just prove your character. "Your" self claimed authority means nothing to me. Like I said, Truth speaks for itself. And those who know what truth is will see your personality just shine right through in how you respond to others in all in all of these postings of yours.

You aren't worth bickering with. Keep up the spirit, it proves what you really are in your heart.

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Another fruit detecting child not answering a direct and specific question then resorting to personal attacks thunking my fruit like I was a cantalope.(see the fruit detector thread). The true sign of an unlearned orphan child with no supervision and no disipline.

What is truth?

Jesus Christ.

Who defines truth?

The "pillar and ground of truth" that in the infallible and final authority called the bible says:

1 Timothy 3:15 that you may know how you ought to conduct yourself in the house of God, which is the CHURCH of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth"

Now we all know YOU are not the "pillar and ground of truth" thus YOU are not the Church. Thank God.

Now if you have nothing to contribute please keep your promise and take your ball and go home to sulk.

Orthodoxy

 

[Relic]

Orthodoxy,

I sent you a PM.

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[Orthodoxy]

Orthodoxy,

I sent you a PM.

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