Calvin 101

[Hitch]

A Primer on Hyper-Calvinism



As thread author I ask that any and all comments ,questions, condemnations, and catastrophies be witheld and that there be no responces except by those who have taken the time to read the article linked; then let the questions ,condemnations and castrophies fly.

Awkward eh? What I mean is please dont respond unless and untill you have read the article.


Its not very long and its under copyright hence the link.

H

I know Jason this was added after you posted.

 

[jasoncran]

you a hypercalvinist?

 

[reba]

I found the artical to be interesting. BIG words and all.

15 years ago i had no idea what a Calvinist was.... Not being silly here but i kinda thought the word calvin had something to do with the Cross because of the word calvery. Stop grinning...

Then computers came along i was sweetly posting scripture in a Christian chat! Bam i got kicked out not knowing anything i go back got told YOUR ONE OF THOSE! This ol penticostal girl was dumbfounded, One of what? no idea. how could scripture get ya kicked out of a Christian chat? So i asked again Got the old you know what your doing, you know what you are, she was very hatefull, finily she said CALVINIST! so i went and lookup a bit on calvinist.

I have never studied calvin, the artical Hitch posted is the most i have ever read on the subject.

The ideas that Calvin speaks of seem to fit me the best, and fit to scripture.

 

[jasoncran]

A Primer on Hyper-Calvinism



As thread author I ask that any and all comments ,questions, condemnations, and catastrophies be witheld and that there be no responces except by those who have taken the time to read the article linked; then let the questions ,condemnations and castrophies fly.

Awkward eh? What I mean is please dont respond unless and untill you have read the article.


Its not very long and its under copyright hence the link.

H

I know Jason this was added after you posted.

English hyper-Calvinists (most happen to be Baptists), American "Gospel Standard" hypers, and Primitive Baptists have traditionally held to this form of hyper-Calvinism. They generally oppose evangelism of any kind. They would (usually) also embrace all five errors of hyper-Calvinism listed above. Their rhetoric tends to be extremely arrogant and elitist—the natural outgrowth of such theology. Normally they claim that they alone are consistent and true to the doctrines of divine sovereignty, and label every other view "Arminianism" or (lately) "hypo-Calvinism."

thats explains why the primitiv baptist church down the road doesnt grow nor evangelise.

 

[Scotth1960]

English hyper-Calvinists (most happen to be Baptists), American "Gospel Standard" hypers, and Primitive Baptists have traditionally held to this form of hyper-Calvinism. They generally oppose evangelism of any kind. They would (usually) also embrace all five errors of hyper-Calvinism listed above. Their rhetoric tends to be extremely arrogant and elitist—the natural outgrowth of such theology. Normally they claim that they alone are consistent and true to the doctrines of divine sovereignty, and label every other view "Arminianism" or (lately) "hypo-Calvinism."

thats explains why the primitiv baptist church down the road doesnt grow nor evangelise.

Friends, Any child of God knows Calvinism is a heresy that justifies sin, and not the sinner. It thinks sin is part of God's plan for man, and not a product of the misuse of human free will. Some forms but not all forms of Calvinism deny the existence of free will in human beings. CALVINISM IS HERESY ACCORDING TO 2 PETER 3:9. AMEN. In Erie Scott Harrington

 

[jasoncran]

Friends, Any child of God knows Calvinism is a heresy that justifies sin, and not the sinner. It thinks sin is part of God's plan for man, and not a product of the misuse of human free will. Some forms but not all forms of Calvinism deny the existence of free will in human beings. CALVINISM IS HERESY ACCORDING TO 2 PETER 3:9. AMEN. In Erie Scott Harrington

what? no it doesnt

shall i recall what the puritans said about christmas? something the orthodox endorses?
or what they said about having a balenced life of virtue?

 

[Hitch]

Friends, Any child of God knows Calvinism is a heresy that justifies sin, and not the sinner. It thinks sin is part of God's plan for man, and not a product of the misuse of human free will. Some forms but not all forms of Calvinism deny the existence of free will in human beings. CALVINISM IS HERESY ACCORDING TO 2 PETER 3:9. AMEN. In Erie Scott Harrington

Did you read the article Scott?

Comments are open only to those who have read the article linked and wish to keep to topic.

If you dont answer positively I will ask the Moderator to remove your post.

 

[jasoncran]

this is a thread on hypercalvinism,i do believe in free will but i know that the calvinist doesnt say sin is ok or that mea have men no choice to sin.

they rather say that men sin and continue in sin till they repent and God lets them stay that way.

limited free will is what they believe not no free will.

i can see where they get that from.

 

[Vic C.]

you a hypercalvinist?

I will read the article but I also eagerly await an answer to Jason's question. :p

 

[Vic C.]

I will read the article but I also eagerly await an answer to Jason's question. :p

Oh never mind. If the article is calling hyper-Calvinism a threat and you're posting, it's safe to assume you are not a hyper-Calvinist... are you? :D

 

[Hitch]

Oh never mind. If the article is calling hyper-Calvinism a threat and you're posting, it's safe to assume you are not a hyper-Calvinist... are you? :D

You guys must be getting smarter...

 

[Tailgunner]

Hitch, I read the article, and also the side note for the explanation of supralapsarianism and infralapsarianism, among the others. Hyper-Calvinism isn't something I've delved into at all, and from what I read, I am not one. For one thing, I do believe in evangelism simply because we don't know who is elect and who isn't, and God has graciously granted us to be used of Him to bring the good news of salvation to unbelievers. He alone knows who belongs to Him, and any word we say or preach will fall on many unbelieving ears, but some will respond to it.

Purely as a matter of interest, though, I do believe off hand that I am probably a supralapsarianist. I say this because after viewing the order of salvation that it implies, it seems to agree with what I have read in Scripture. See, for example, Ephesians 1:4, and Revelation 13:8.

TG

 

[Hitch]

Sounds good to me, if we can see all this as a ballance scale we want it to tip toward soverienty , not crash a dent in the table.

 

[Tailgunner]

Sounds good to me, if we can see all this as a ballance scale we want it to tip toward soverienty , not crash a dent in the table.

Absolutely.

TG

 

[mondar]

The guts of the article seems to be what Phil Johnson wrote below:
"A hyper-Calvinist is someone who either:

1. Denies that the gospel call applies to all who hear, OR
2. Denies that faith is the duty of every sinner, OR
3. Denies that the gospel makes any "offer" of Christ, salvation, or mercy to the non-elect (or denies that the offer of divine mercy is free and universal), OR
4. Denies that there is such a thing as "common grace," OR
5. Denies that God has any sort of love for the non-elect. "

One of the problems with any such discussion in a place like this is that most are totally ignorant of the issues. Scotth1960 is obviously a person who raises emotions and throws terms at things he knows nothing about. A subject like this might be better discussed in a Calvinist web site.

Nevertheless, concerning the article.... I think Johnson is trying to do Calvinists a favor by defining "Hyper-Calvinism." Not many non-Calvinist understand the distinction.

Something Johnson does not talk about are the differences between Calvinists. There are some high Calvinists (not hyper) and then the more moderate group. I would put Phil Johnson in the more moderate group, with John MacArther and John Piper. The issue would be point 5 in Johnsons list. While both high Calvinists and moderate Calvinists would agree that God loves the whole world, a more moderate Calvinist might agree that God loves all men equally and wants all to be saved equally. A higher Calvinist (such as myself) would say that God loves all men, but he does not love all men equally.

God loves all men in that he extends common grace. God loves all men in that his wrath is not poured out upon all men immediately. God lets the rain fall on the just and the unjust alike. This is common grace. God, by his love, extends common grace to all men equally. But God does not extend salvific love to all men equally. Of course the proof text that was mentioned out of context was 2 Peter 3:9.

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.
I have presented this repeatedly that the text says he is patient with "you. The question of the verse is who is the "you" that Peter is talking to. Just read the rest of the epistle, and notice the word "you" every time you see it. Peter is talking to the saints of the regions mentioned in 1 Peter 1:1. Peter is saying that God is not willing that any of those chosen to salvation would perish, but that all of those chosen to salvation would repent and come to faith. God is willing to wait for all if them until each and every one of those chosen will repent and come to faith.

*** Note the same use of the term "you" in 2 Peter 3:1, 2, 3.