Can a wrong-believer enter heaven?

[JM]

If you have the wrong Jesus and the wrong idea of God, can you enter heaven?

 

[Guest]

If you have the wrong Jesus and the wrong idea of God, can you enter heaven?

There are as many interpretations of Jesus and God as there are believers - in other words, billions. Who are you to claim your particular interpretation any better than another? Who, if anyone, has the 'right' idea?

 

[BradtheImpaler]

If you have the wrong Jesus and the wrong idea of God, can you enter heaven?

There are as many interpretations of Jesus and God as there are believers - in other words, billions. Who are you to claim your particular interpretation any better than another? Who, if anyone, has the 'right' idea?

Apparently Calvinists do :wink:

 

[JM]

If you have the wrong Jesus and the wrong idea of God, can you enter heaven?

There are as many interpretations of Jesus and God as there are believers - in other words, billions. Who are you to claim your particular interpretation any better than another? Who, if anyone, has the 'right' idea?

Apparently Calvinists do :wink:

We're not perfect, but I'll agree with your statement, Calvinist do have a good understanding of who the Lord Jesus Christ is. Thank you for pointing that out. You'll notice Calvinists have always been linked to Christian orthodoxy, unless you believe the fictional account of Nathaniel Hawthorne...

If doctrine about Christ has never been profess in the context of the historical church, or has been condemned as heresy by the universal church, chances are you have the wrong Jesus.

JM

 

[Guest]

We're not perfect, but I'll agree with your statement, Calvinist do have a good understanding of who the Lord Jesus Christ is. Thank you for pointing that out. You'll notice Calvinists have always been linked to Christian orthodoxy, unless you believe the fictional account of Nathaniel Hawthorne...

If doctrine about Christ has never been profess in the context of the historical church, or has been condemned as heresy by the universal church, chances are you have the wrong Jesus.

JM

"Chances are you have the wrong Jesus"? The only way you could be making this claim is if you, JM, were in possession of some way to test 'right' and 'wrong' Jesuses. What evidence have you for your claim?

Careful JM, your ego is showing again.

 

[JM]

We're not perfect, but I'll agree with your statement, Calvinist do have a good understanding of who the Lord Jesus Christ is. Thank you for pointing that out. You'll notice Calvinists have always been linked to Christian orthodoxy, unless you believe the fictional account of Nathaniel Hawthorne...

If doctrine about Christ has never been profess in the context of the historical church, or has been condemned as heresy by the universal church, chances are you have the wrong Jesus.

JM

"Chances are you have the wrong Jesus"? The only way you could be making this claim is if you, JM, were in possession of some way to test 'right' and 'wrong' Jesuses. What evidence have you for your claim?

Careful JM, your ego is showing again.

I think you need the warning Cosmo, you’re awfully close to relativism which turns truth into sham.

 

[Soma-Sight]

Of course you get into Heaven with the wrong idea of Jesus.

No one on this earth has the right idea or He would not have been crucified.

Jesus is not some white dude with long hair and sandals. He is God and beyond your morrtal conceptions. To believe you have Him in a box is the ultimate in Pride.[/b]

 

[Guest]

I think you need the warning Cosmo, you’re awfully close to relativism which turns truth into sham.

What warning are you on about?

You claimed that there are 'right' and 'wrong' Jesuses, therefore - by your logic - there are differences between them. Either there are ways to tell these Jesuses apart or there are not. I'm merely trying to get you to make some sense.

 

[lecoop]

Jesus said, to enter into heaven, one must be "born again." Perhaps a better question would be, "can one be born again believing in a wrong Jesus?"

A great example of a different (or wrong) Jesus is the Jesus taught by the Mormons. Almost everything about their Jesus disagrees with the word of God. Same with the Muslem Jesus. He did not die, but another died in his place. So my answer is that no, someone believing in the wrong Jesus will not be born again.

Coop

 

[Guest]

Jesus said, to enter into heaven, one must be "born again." Perhaps a better question would be, "can one be born again believing in a wrong Jesus?"

A great example of a different (or wrong) Jesus is the Jesus taught by the Mormons.

Obviously, the Mormons don't find their Jesus to be wrong; in fact, I think it's likely they would call your Jesus wrong. Why is yours right and everyone else's wrong?

Keep in mind that each of the hundreds of denominations of Christianity all say the same thing: My Jesus is right, yours is wrong. If this statement is true, there exist only two possibilities, logically:

1) Everyone's Jesus is right.
2) Everyone's Jesus is wrong.

 

[starbyfar]

Mormon doctrine is messed up to beginwith so to say that Mormons are speaking of the same savior that actual "bible reading" Christians are talking about is way different then saying they just have a different 'idea' of him. Don't they believe that they can/will eventually become Gods? :smt011

I don't think i'm understanding the concept of a wrong idea of Jesus or wrong idea of God. The only way i'm seeing the ability to not have the right idea of Jesus is to see him only as a pretty good teacher and not believe he is who he says he is.. or something along the lines of not accepting him.

Either you trust Christ with your life and become saved or you don't. There aren't too many other things you can do to mess up that process. It isn't the idea of Jesus that saves.. I think thats whats throwing me off here with this question. To me, I may be saved and have the strong belief that if Jesus were alive he'd be a diehard humanitarian socialist, while someone else may be saved and believe that Jesus would be a capitalistic republican. Both of us have an idea of how Jesus would be, neither of us can be 100% sure of whose right. Does that mean one of us isn't saved and won't inherit eternal life? I think thats one of those things that just doesn't matter. But again, another good question to add to the FAQ board in heaven when I get there.

Keep in mind that each of the hundreds of denominations of Christianity all say the same thing: My Jesus is right, yours is wrong

I don't agree. I think many denominations have the fundamentals of who Jesus is/was down and I think most churchs can agree that the way to heaven is to be saved through belief in him. They argue over the stupid meaningless stuff like, is it ok to read anything other than the KJV, should we go to church on saturday or sunday, should people play instruments in church, can women wear pants to church?

 

[mutzrein]

Jesus said, to enter into heaven, one must be "born again." Perhaps a better question would be, "can one be born again believing in a wrong Jesus?"

A great example of a different (or wrong) Jesus is the Jesus taught by the Mormons. Almost everything about their Jesus disagrees with the word of God. Same with the Muslem Jesus. He did not die, but another died in his place. So my answer is that no, someone believing in the wrong Jesus will not be born again.

Coop

Well at least one moderator in this forum seems to believe I am not born again and therefore cannot inherit the kingdom of God on the basis that I don't believe in the Jesus who is God.

Now I certainly believe in my Lord & saviour Jesus Christ who has redeemed me from sin and to whom glory & honour has been given by God. I certainly believe in the Jesus to whom God has placed everything (except himself) under his authority. I certainly believe in the Jesus who was the lamb of God, slain from the foundation of the earth. I certainly believe in the Jesus who was born of a virgin. I certainly beleive in the Jesus who was born of the Spirit and who inherited all the attributes of perfection of the Father. I certainly believe in the Jesus who came from God.

But I don't believe in a Jesus who is seated beside himself or a Jesus who is going to tell himself when to judge the earth.

So tell me, who is going to deny me my redeemer?

 

[Solo]

Jesus said, to enter into heaven, one must be "born again." Perhaps a better question would be, "can one be born again believing in a wrong Jesus?"

A great example of a different (or wrong) Jesus is the Jesus taught by the Mormons. Almost everything about their Jesus disagrees with the word of God. Same with the Muslem Jesus. He did not die, but another died in his place. So my answer is that no, someone believing in the wrong Jesus will not be born again.

Coop

Well at least one moderator in this forum seems to believe I am not born again and therefore cannot inherit the kingdom of God on the basis that I don't believe in the Jesus who is God.

Now I certainly believe in my Lord & saviour Jesus Christ who has redeemed me from sin and to whom glory & honour has been given by God. I certainly believe in the Jesus to whom God has placed everything (except himself) under his authority. I certainly believe in the Jesus who was the lamb of God, slain from the foundation of the earth. I certainly believe in the Jesus who was born of a virgin. I certainly beleive in the Jesus who was born of the Spirit and who inherited all the attributes of perfection of the Father. I certainly believe in the Jesus who came from God.

But I don't believe in a Jesus who is seated beside himself or a Jesus who is going to tell himself when to judge the earth.

So tell me, who is going to deny me my redeemer?

Explain who Jesus is if he is not God. I have heard that he was created, I heard that he is God's agent, I have heard that he is Lucifer's brother, I have heard that he is Michael the archangel. None of these hold up. The only one that hold up is that Jesus is the Word, God.

Is Jesus Lord or is God Lord? Is Jesus Saviour or is God Saviour? Why can't Jesus be God?

In John 1:1 we see where the Word was in the beginning with God, and the Word was God. In John 1:14 we see where the Word was made flesh and his glory was as of the only begotten of the Father full of grace and truth. The Word was God and the Word was made flesh and his glory was as of the only begotten. God, the Word, came in the flesh.

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. John 1:1-2

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. John 1:14

The manner that believers are exhorted to try the spirits to determine whether they are of God or not (because there are many false prophets in the world) is given in 1 John 4:1-3. The difference between the Spirit of God and the Spirit of Anti-Christ is whether one can say that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesses not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God. Believers have the Holy Spirit living inside of them, giving them the knowledge of the things of God. The natural man cannot know the things of God for they are foolishness to him.


1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 1 John 4:1-3

10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. 11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. 16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ. 1 Corinthians 2:10-16

 

[Heidi]

If you have the wrong Jesus and the wrong idea of God, can you enter heaven?

Not according to Paul. "For if someone comes to you and preaches a different Jesus other than the one we preached....for such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen masquerading as apostles of Christ...their end will be what their actions deserve."

 

[mutzrein]

Solo

I have responded to this in 'Bible Study' - 'Do those not born again go to hell' thread.

Seems like you were asking the same question. Any more?

 

[Solo]

Solo

I have responded to this in 'Bible Study' - 'Do those not born again go to hell' thread.

Seems like you were asking the same question. Any more?

Jesus is God and I answered your comments in 'Bible Study'. Thanks.

 

[Henry]

Many are saved IN SPITE of and NOT BECUASE of the teachings of "curches" today. But I can not answer the poll unless there is more information.