[__ Science __ ] Cataclysm From Space, 2800 BC – The Cause of the Biblical Flood

[Edward]

Could you give an example that shows technology to be evil?

All sorts of examples are coming to mind now.
Shovels. Only in a fallen state was Adam required to toil the land by the sweat of his brow.
Cell phones...if you don't think they intrude upon you through cell technology, then...wake up Brother. They can turn on your camera, your mic...whatever they want.
Story: my cell phone slipped of its windshield mount and fell onto the dash, cracking the screen recently when I was GPS'ing my way to a job. No problemo, I have insurance. They replaced it with a different model phone. Supposedly an upgrade, lol. So I went through my permissions...no Google you can't turn on my microphone or make phone calls on my behalf...now I can't use Google maps efficiently. Every 60 seconds, a chime and a popup which says Google maps won't work right now because of the lack of permissions...

So they're trying to force me to let them turn on my Mic and allow them to listen to me. That's evil. They don't need access to my contacts and pictures to make apps work...
Yes, they really can watch you through your tv or phone. They can even listen to you through your lamp.

It's all evil Brother, my old cell phone (6 months old!) Wouldn't restrict my usage of Google maps unless the Mic was turned on. I called them back up. This phone replacement is unsatisfactory. Fix it or replace my phone with the exact old model which was broken. So far no good.

 

[jasonc]

Ok. Technology is not neutral, it's being used against God's creation to keep them dependant on the world and not looking to God. We're just so used to the technology that we don't realize that. We call them conveniences but the technology only came after the fall.

Everything the enemy does is a cheap imitation of God. We were created in God's image, in relationship with Him, not needing anything but Him. It's a good bet that man could fly before the fall, so cars and airplanes are unnecessary and a deception.

Enoch and Philip were both translated in scripture. We don't really know where Enoch was translated too, but we know Philip was translated about 28 miles away to another town after he baptized the Ethiopian. This is what a relationship with God gives us, a freedom from the world and it's technology. Now that Jesus has came and died and been resurrected we have been invited back unto the same relationship with God that we had before the fall.

Icbm's weren't needed to destroy Sodom & Gomorrah. Power tools were not needed to get peter out of jail in His jail break. Guns werent needed to protect early man.

So technology is an evil which distracts man from relationship with our Lord. When we walk with God, technology is not needed. There is a slew of testimonies on you tube of people being translated by God to different points on earth to do His will.

Technology will not be needed for those who go through the tribulation to defend themselves. Whgats it say? A thousand will will fall on your left side, ten thousand on your right, but it will not come nigh to you...?

See what I mean?

And the great dragon warred with the saints and won.

Uhm.satan kills the saints in the tribulation .

 

[Razeontherock]

So if you calculate how much water, you can easily see there was a lot more water than the Earth now holds, unless you come up with some theory about how the water rose above the mountains.

The only alternative to an explanation is to shrug the shoulders and say it's a mystery.
TD

Not really:

A: there is nothing to say that surface of the earth was then like it is now. This could have predated much of the rising of today's mountains, thus requiring far less water

B: there could well be far more water below our crust than there is above it, and we really don't know that much about how much is above it. We know about the existence of the Marianas trench, but we know less about Earth's oceans than we do of the solar system!

Fluid does appear to be below our crust, and in great quantity. We are in no position to calculate if there might be enough water to fulfill the flood story, regardless of topography. The great lie of modern science is to pretend we know more than we do. As Christians let's not enter into that frackas.

Russia claims the fluid deep down is oil, possibly created by the earth itself, just waiting for whoever drills it first, accessible from anywhere. They have some supporting evidence for this notion, too:

1. What they bring up from the depths is chemically different from what US methods yield;

2. In the wake of US declaring certain areas devoid of resources, Russians have drilled deep to yield the same type of oil they do elsewhere.

This doesn't mean all their ideas are correct, but it does prove US ideas don't have all pertinent information.

So what do we conclude from this?

 

[Jim Parker]

Technology is not neutral, it's being used.....See what I mean?

Yes I see what you mean.
But you have not seen what I mean.
It is not the technology that is evil.
It is the people who use the technology for evil purposes that are evil.
A murder can kill someone by hitting him in the head with a baseball bat.
That does not make baseball bats evil.
It makes the murderer evil.

Inanimate, insensate, objects cannot be good or evil.
A rock cannot be good or evil. But it can be used for good or evil by a person.
A hammer cannot be good or evil. But it can be used for good or evil by a person.
An gun cannot be good or evil. But it can be used for good or evil by a person.

 

[Jim Parker]

So they're trying to force me to let them turn on my Mic and allow them to listen to me. That's evil.

Exactly!!!

THEY are trying. The phone did not decide to try to make you do anything. PEOPLE did.

 

[Razeontherock]

Inanimate, insensate, objects cannot be good or evil.
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Excellent point! Boy does this remind me of the endless argument that one or two posters used to spread in drive-by fashion, earlier this year. I'm very glad to be done with that foolishness and let those so inclined engage their morbid fascination elsewhere online.

This does raise an interesting theological line of thought, that might be discussed:

that of Cain and Abel being allegory for shephardic lifestyle vs farming giving rise to cities, and how God feels about it. Noting the current health observation that humans don't digest wheat very well. And that US city dwellers cause most of our gdp, but can contribute exactly 0 to survival in the event of our electrical grid failing. (or other major catastrophe)

It's a theme with a lot to develop. But technology itself is ammoral, as is actual science.

 

[Edward]

Yes I see what you mean.
But you have not seen what I mean.
It is not the technology that is evil.
It is the people who use the technology for evil purposes that are evil.
A murder can kill someone by hitting him in the head with a baseball bat.
That does not make baseball bats evil.
It makes the murderer evil.

Inanimate, insensate, objects cannot be good or evil.
A rock cannot be good or evil. But it can be used for good or evil by a person.
A hammer cannot be good or evil. But it can be used for good or evil by a person.
An gun cannot be good or evil. But it can be used for good or evil by a person.

Well of course you are right, but...a couple things bug me about technology. Firstly, if we become too dependant on technology, then...we wont look to God to care for us?

Secondly...we really do not know the extent of our own earths technology, and how far advanced it really is. All we really know is what they tell us. They...don't tell us a lot. They try to weaponize everything, and from what I hear, the governments technology is about 50 years advanced past what we (get to) use.

I've also wondered myself, and have also heard it theorized from others...that, technology may be able to be possessed by evil spirits. Now before you guffaw too much at me, at least consider the possibility of that perhaps...maybe...what if...that were true? You gotta kinda let loose of traditional mindset to even consider the possibility, but what we do know is that the enemies primary weapon against us, is deception. So it's not like they would come out and tell us that IF it were true. I'm starting to believe that...anything we do hear through the mainstream could be, probably 180 degrees off from what they say if deception is thier tool.

And if not, well hey I gave you all a real good laugh there, eh?!

 

[Jim Parker]

This does raise an interesting theological line of thought, that might be discussed:

that of Cain and Abel being allegory for shephardic lifestyle vs farming giving rise to cities

That is an unstated theme of the Biblical flood epic.
The earlier Mesopotamian flood epics named the cause of the flood the overpopulation of the earth. That is only a problem in cities and Mesopotamia is the birthplace of the city-states.
The reason for the flood in the Noahic epic is unabated sin. Children are always a blessing. Population is never an issue.
To reiterate the idea, after the flood, the descendants of Noah gather to build a city and make a name for themselves but God confuses their language and they spread over all the face of the earth. That is what God originally told man to do. "Be fruitful and multiply and fill the whole earth."
also of note is the fact that the first city was built by Cain.

 

[Jim Parker]

Firstly, if we become too dependant on technology, then...we wont look to God to care for us?

Technology is, in some aspects but not all, man's efforts to control the universe for his own benefit. It is man's attempt to be a god; the original sin.

technology may be able to be possessed by evil spirits.

That's out of my area of expertise. I know that demons can be territorial and that they can inhabit houses and things like that. It makes sense that objects dedicated to demons could be infected with them.

the enemies primary weapon against us, is deception.

Deception is one and distraction is another.

anything we do hear through the mainstream could be, probably 180 degrees off from what they say if deception is thier tool.

HAH! No argument from me on that one!
The dominant media is, IMO, a socialist propaganda machine.

 

[tdidymas]

Not really:

A: there is nothing to say that surface of the earth was then like it is now. This could have predated much of the rising of today's mountains, thus requiring far less water

B: there could well be far more water below our crust than there is above it, and we really don't know that much about how much is above it. We know about the existence of the Marianas trench, but we know less about Earth's oceans than we do of the solar system!

Fluid does appear to be below our crust, and in great quantity. We are in no position to calculate if there might be enough water to fulfill the flood story, regardless of topography. The great lie of modern science is to pretend we know more than we do. As Christians let's not enter into that frackas.

Russia claims the fluid deep down is oil, possibly created by the earth itself, just waiting for whoever drills it first, accessible from anywhere. They have some supporting evidence for this notion, too:

1. What they bring up from the depths is chemically different from what US methods yield;

2. In the wake of US declaring certain areas devoid of resources, Russians have drilled deep to yield the same type of oil they do elsewhere.

This doesn't mean all their ideas are correct, but it does prove US ideas don't have all pertinent information.

So what do we conclude from this?

1. Oil and water don't mix.
2. The volume of water on and in the Earth has been calculated.
3. There is no indication in Genesis that any mountains changed from before the flood.
All else is pure speculation.
TD

 

[Razeontherock]

Technology being possessed by demons, it reminds me of the episode of Lost in Space where hoses kept wrapping around people like it was a snake. I can't be the only one here that remembers that?

On the broad, general topic: when was the last time YOU anointed all your doors and windows with anointing oil?

 

[Razeontherock]

1. Oil and water don't mix.
2. The volume of water on and in the Earth has been calculated.
3. There is no indication in Genesis that any mountains changed from before the flood.
All else is pure speculation.
TD

Your point 2 is purely bogus. We have no idea about MOST of our sea bottom. Even just most of the Marianas trench is of unknown depth. It is thought we have plumbed the deepest part, but even just that much is only theoretical. Thus, any attempt to calculate total water volume is subject to being WAY off. And we know precisely 0 about water beneath Earth's crust, but I think there's growing consensus about there being more liquid there than everywhere else on the planet, combined. Is this the Scriptural "fountains of the deep?"

That is purely speculation, yes.

 

[tdidymas]

Your point 2 is purely bogus. We have no idea about MOST of our sea bottom. Even just most of the Marianas trench is of unknown depth. It is thought we have plumbed the deepest part, but even just that much is only theoretical. Thus, any attempt to calculate total water volume is subject to being WAY off. And we know precisely 0 about water beneath Earth's crust, but I think there's growing consensus about there being more liquid there than everywhere else on the planet, combined. Is this the Scriptural "fountains of the deep?"

That is purely speculation, yes.

I have to disagree on this one. The deeper you go in the ground the hotter it gets, and if huge amounts of water was down there, it would be steam and very explosive, as evidenced by geysers, which are scarcely more than a mile down. Drilling for oil in many places yields no evidence of that much water in the crust. Here is a site for how much water exists:
https://water.usgs.gov/edu/earthhowmuch.html

The burden of proof is on you to show evidence and calculation that supports your hypothesis.
TD

 

[Edward]

Technology is, in some aspects but not all, man's efforts to control the universe for his own benefit. It is man's attempt to be a god; the original sin.

That's out of my area of expertise. I know that demons can be territorial and that they can inhabit houses and things like that. It makes sense that objects dedicated to demons could be infected with them.

Deception is one and distraction is another.

HAH! No argument from me on that one!
The dominant media is, IMO, a socialist propaganda machine.

Agreed.
Good point, distraction. Especially in this season.

You know, The Lord tells the end from the beginning, so the OT is prophecy of the end times. Plus, Jesus came and paid the price, then stated that
John 14:12
12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father...(kjv)

Jesus rose the dead, so believers will do more than that?! The end times generation of believers will be walking in such power that it's going to be history making. So I'm not understanding why Christians are not walking in this power and authority?

Not many are believing enough to receive it I think. Why? Scripture is plain about this. More is said about end times than even when Jesus walked the earth.
...such as the earth has never seen before. So God's moves throughout these times are surely going to be bigger than ever in history...

I include myself in not being able to receive this yet. Lord help my unbelief.

 

[Jim Parker]

The end times generation of believers will be walking in such power that it's going to be history making.

Shouldn't that be normal for "believers"? But, I have an idea that one of the deceptions of Satan has to do with that word, "believe." It seems that we have been led to understand the word "believe" as something that goes on in our minds. We believe the moon orbits the earth and the earth orbits the sun. We believe the 2+2=4. And we believe that Jesus is the son of God who died for our sins and rose from the dead.
But it's all in our heads.
Belief/faith is only one side of the equation.
The other side is the action that results from belief/faith.

Mark 16:15-18
And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.
And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.”
Heb 11:7
By faith Noah, being divinely warned of things not yet seen, moved with godly fear, prepared an ark for the saving of his household...
Heb 11:8
By faith Abraham obeyed...
Heb 11:17
By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac,...

That chapter lists examples of people who ACTED ON their faith.

But what is the widely accepted teaching in the Church today?
"Faith plus NOTHING."
Just believe and you don't have to do anything because by believing (just like believing that 2+2=4) you are bound for glory.
That teaching tells us that we just have to believe but we don't have to actually ACT like we believe. We don't have to exert any effort to do the things that would be evidence of our believing. We can just blend in with the rest of the world and be covert, secret, Christians. If we didn't have a fish on the back of our cars, no one could tell we believe.

There is no very little teaching about the pursuit of holiness which required our consistent effort. Instead, we are told that we are automatically holy because we believe that Jesus is who He said He is. Holiness is a done deal; it's a "legal status" declared by the Judge.

Those teachings have produced a huge, lukewarm, church of Laodicea which is having very close to zero impact on our neighborhoods, our communities, cities, our nation and our world.

And Satan is very happy for us to tell one another that we believe as long as we don't DO anything about that alleged belief.

So, if we're not doing even the basic acts of belief/faith (feed the hungry; clothe the naked; shelter the homeless; visit the sick and prisoner; support a missionary [evangelist/apostle]) why would we imagine that we would be authorized by the LORD to use His power to heal the sick, cast out demons, give sight to the blind, hearing to the deaf, etc.?

Sometimes it looks to me like people treat their Christianity like it was fantasy football. It's all in the head. We don't really get in the game.

Well, that's a perspective. So I'll quit whining now.......

 

[Razeontherock]

I have to disagree on this one. The deeper you go in the ground the hotter it gets, and if huge amounts of water was down there, it would be steam and very explosive, as evidenced by geysers, which are scarcely more than a mile down. Drilling for oil in many places yields no evidence of that much water in the crust. Here is a site for how much water exists:
https://water.usgs.gov/edu/earthhowmuch.html

The burden of proof is on you to show evidence and calculation that supports your hypothesis.
TD

Talking about water in the crust is a red herring to talking water beneath the crust.

Talking about unknowns is not a call for precise mathematical calculations. Likewise, such glosses over the unknowns, and is therefore bogus. Nothing wrong with putting in the effort, but that needs to include qualifiers about the best we know, and what remains unknown.

 

[tdidymas]

Talking about water in the crust is a red herring to talking water beneath the crust.

Talking about unknowns is not a call for precise mathematical calculations. Likewise, such glosses over the unknowns, and is therefore bogus. Nothing wrong with putting in the effort, but that needs to include qualifiers about the best we know, and what remains unknown.

So you know what is beneath the crust? That it is not hot mantle in which water cannot exist except in steam? Have you observed steam in large quantities coming out of volcanoes? Can you cite examples of such observations? I don't get your red herring claim. Like I said, you have the burden of proof of any claim that goes against what textbooks have been saying for 100 years and still say. Show some scientific evidence.
TD

 

[turnorburn]

Could you summarize the main points? Don't have time to sit through an hour long video, especially if it is a waste of time.

It's by no means a waste of time.. I've shown it to a history teacher that said it made more sense than anything else to date.. When i offered to let him show it to his classes he said he'd loose his job in light of the theory of evolution being taught at the time..

The whole world is caught up in millions of years when the bible teaches us otherwise...

 

[Razeontherock]

So you know what is beneath the crust? That it is not hot mantle in which water cannot exist except in steam? Have you observed steam in large quantities coming out of volcanoes? Can you cite examples of such observations? I don't get your red herring claim. Like I said, you have the burden of proof of any claim that goes against what textbooks have been saying for 100 years and still say. Show some scientific evidence.
TD

Those 100 year old text books were written without evidence, and still are spewing the same nonsense despite more recent findings smashing their ideas.

What we do know is it's not even and uniform, so those claims should cease.

 

[tdidymas]

Those 100 year old text books were written without evidence, and still are spewing the same nonsense despite more recent findings smashing their ideas.

What we do know is it's not even and uniform, so those claims should cease.

All I see is your speculation. I hold to the idea that you must produce evidence, otherwise your argument falls.
TD