Celebrating Easter?

[precepts]

According to history, the calendar that we use today was first adopted by Julius Caesar of the Roman empire in 46 bc, which is originally of Egyptian origin. It divides the year into 365 days, 6 hours a year, thus the 366 day leap year.
In 1582 a.d., Pope Gregory XIII introduced a revised version of Julius Caesar's calendar (known as the Julian Calendar) to amend an 11 minutes 10 seconds excess that the Julian calendar allotted to the year. Eleven days were omitted and it was established that only centenary years divisible by 400 were leap years, which is the modern calendar we use today. In 1752 a.d. England and her then American colonies adopted it.

The interesting thing about this whole situation and celebrating Easter is the fact that although Christianity has existed for over 1,500 years, it is impossible to celebrate the anniversary of a Jewish savior that followed a jewish calendar with a solar based egyptian calendar! Genesis 7:11 states that the great flood occurred in the 600th year of Noah's life, the 17th day of the 2nd month. Genesis 8:3-4 goes on further to tells us that it rained for 150 days before the ark came to rest on the 17th of the 7th month. It is impossible to use a 365 days, 6 hours a year calendar to keep a 360 days a year anniversary. The jewish calendar laps (swallows up) the egyptian calendar every 69 years by 367 days.

The question remains as to why would Christianity, especially the Catholic Church which is suppose to be the oldest existing church, adopt or use an Egyptian solar calendar instead of the original Genesis calendar of recording time. That is the question!

For the nay sayers or the doubters, the 1,260 days prophecies are equal to 3 1/2 yrs or 42 mths (30 days each) or "times x's time, and the diniding of time", 3 1/2 yrs! 360 days + 360 days = 720 days (times) + 360 days (time) = 1,080 days + 180 days (1/2 time) = 1,260 days, 3 1/2 yrs, 42 months!

There's more hidden in the bible in calculating the date from Eden! Examples would be, Israel spent 430 yrs in Egypt not 400 yrs, and 42 yrs in the wilderness not 40 yrs! This is the pattern/clues God left in the translation, the reason for the 45 days added to the 1,290th day, adding up to the 1,335th day, which is actually yrs in prophecy.

 

[reba]

Could it be that God "confused time" as He did the language at the tower of Babble? Could it be God wanted the dates of the 'temple way of life' distorted?

 

[precepts]

Could it be?!

 

[Theofilus]

It is impossible to use a 365 days, 6 hours a year calendar to keep a 360 days a year anniversary. The jewish calendar laps (swallows up) the egyptian calendar every 69 years by 367 days.

The biblical calendar wasn't 360 days. It was a lunar calendar, based on the actual sighting (as opposed to calculation) of the first sliver of the new moon. Since a lunar month is about 29.5 days, each month could be either 29 or 30 days long, and people couldn't know which it would be until the new moon was actually sighted. If the moon wasn't visible on the 29th day of the month because of cloud cover, the month was declared to be 30 days. That meant that a standard year was around 354 days, give or take a few.

The biblical calendar also had a system of "leap years", that was based on agriculture. To be able to keep the Feast of First Fruits in the first month of the year, the barley crop had to be ready for harvesting by the middle of the month. At the end of the 12th month each year, people would check on the barley and, if it was nearly ripe, a new year would start at the next new moon. Otherwise there would be a 13th month and the year would start a month later.

 

[precepts]

The biblical calendar wasn't 360 days. It was a lunar calendar, based on the actual sighting (as opposed to calculation) of the first sliver of the new moon. Since a lunar month is about 29.5 days, each month could be either 29 or 30 days long, and people couldn't know which it would be until the new moon was actually sighted. If the moon wasn't visible on the 29th day of the month because of cloud cover, the month was declared to be 30 days. That meant that a standard year was around 354 days, give or take a few.

The biblical calendar also had a system of "leap years", that was based on agriculture. To be able to keep the Feast of First Fruits in the first month of the year, the barley crop had to be ready for harvesting by the middle of the month. At the end of the 12th month each year, people would check on the barley and, if it was nearly ripe, a new year would start at the next new moon. Otherwise there would be a 13th month and the year would start a month later.

Prove it! Show me a callendar, whether solar of lunar, that exist, that can fit 150 days from the 17th day of the 2nd month to the 17th of the 7th month! There's none lknown to man! Besides that, I've calculated the date from Eden and dated other significant biblical history that coincides with secular history.

It's imoossible to use a lunar calendar, history proves this. I know the scriptures you're referring to but not everything written in the bible is true. In Egypt there was a moon god name Jah, Iah, Ah, or El who represented Jupiter/Zeus. If the Jerusalem temple windows, according to the bible, were openned on the full moon and sacrifices done on the new moons (1st ot the months), it just seems like moon worship. There's no "j" in the hebrew alphabet. God's name could never be called Jehovah.

 

[Theofilus]

I know the scriptures you're referring to but not everything written in the bible is true.

Actually, it is. Remember that this is a Christian site, and Christians believe that the Bible is true.

Prove it! Show me a callendar, whether solar of lunar, that exist, that can fit 150 days from the 17th day of the 2nd month to the 17th of the 7th month!

No problem. Like I said, if the moon can't be sighted for some reason, for example because it's cloudy, then the month was declared to be 30 days. Since it was cloudy the whole time during the flood, every month would have been 30 days, regardless of the phases of the moon, since it couldn't bee seen. From the 17th of the 2nd month to the 17th of the 7th month is exactly 5 months. That's 5 times 30 days. You do the math.

It's imoossible to use a lunar calendar, history proves this.

Wrong! Many societies throughout history have used lunar calendars. In fact, the word "month" is derived from the word "moon". If that's not a reference to a lunar calendar, I don't know what is. Even today, the Jews use a lunar calendar, albeit a calcualated one.

There's no "j" in the hebrew alphabet. God's name could never be called Jehovah.

Actually, there is. It's called a "yod" in Hebrew. It's the "jot" Jesus referred to in the sermon on the mount. It's just that Anglo-Saxons don't know how to pronounce it correctly. In nearly every other language besides English, the J is pronounced like the Y in "yes".

 

[precepts]

Theo's quote:
Actually, it is. Remember that this is a Christian site, and Christians believe that the Bible is true.

precepts' quote:
Where is it written that all Christians believe the bible is true?


Theo's quote:
No problem. Like I said, if the moon can't be sighted for some reason, for example because it's cloudy, then the month was declared to be 30 days. Since it was cloudy the whole time during the flood, every month would have been 30 days, regardless of the phases of the moon, since it couldn't bee seen. From the 17th of the 2nd month to the 17th of the 7th month is exactly 5 months. That's 5 times 30 days. You do the math.

precepts' quote:
You're assuming! And I don't have to prove anything, i already now it's true. Besides that, you haven't addressed the 1,260 days total of 3 1/2 years of 42 months of 30 days months!


Theo's quote:
Wrong! Many societies throughout history have used lunar calendars. In fact, the word "month" is derived from the word "moon". If that's not a reference to a lunar calendar, I don't know what is. Even today, the Jews use a lunar calendar, albeit a calcualated one.

precepts' quote;
It would be foolish for me to say that no society have ever used a lunar calendar and I never did. It is documented by many in history that the lunar calendar is not an accurate one. The Egyptians', the calendar we now use, was once lunar. The fact remains that a lunar, sighting of the new moons calendar, is not an accurate calendar and God would never gave man an unaccurate time keeping method. The bible has many contradictions and false information. This is a fact! In the account of the Pharisees and Sadducees, accusing Christ of casting out demons by a familiar spirit, there's two different accounts.

 

[precepts]

Theo's quote:
Actually, there is. It's called a "yod" in Hebrew. It's the "jot" Jesus referred to in the sermon on the mount. It's just that Anglo-Saxons don't know how to pronounce it correctly. In nearly every other language besides English, the J is pronounced like the Y in "yes".

precepts' quote;
There's no J in the hebrew language, that's a fact. If you want to twist the true to suit your needs, that's your business but you can't contradict historical facts! The name is Yah not jah!

 

[Theofilus]

Theo's quote:
Actually, there is. It's called a "yod" in Hebrew. It's the "jot" Jesus referred to in the sermon on the mount. It's just that Anglo-Saxons don't know how to pronounce it correctly. In nearly every other language besides English, the J is pronounced like the Y in "yes".

precepts' quote;
There's no J in the hebrew language, that's a fact. If you want to twist the true to suit your needs, that's your business but you can't contradict historical facts! The name is Yah not jah!

That's only in English. In nearly all other languages, the J is pronounce like the Y in English, and the Y is a vowel, usually pronounce like an I. In many languages, the name of the letter J is pronounced yod, yot, yoth or something similr. This is the case in Hebrew also. There is a letter that is called yod, and it is pronounced like the letter J in nearly every language except English. It is the English J sound that you won't find in Hebrew, but the letter most definietely exists.

By the way, how do yo pronounce the J in Johann Sebastian Bach's name, like the J in "joke" or like the Y in "yodle"? Remember, just because something is different than English, doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.

 

[Ashua]

The last supper was a Passover cedar.

 

[Theofilus]

Theo's quote:
Actually, it is. Remember that this is a Christian site, and Christians believe that the Bible is true.

precepts' quote:
Where is it written that all Christians believe the bible is true?

It's part of the definition, really.

Theo's quote:
No problem. Like I said, if the moon can't be sighted for some reason, for example because it's cloudy, then the month was declared to be 30 days. Since it was cloudy the whole time during the flood, every month would have been 30 days, regardless of the phases of the moon, since it couldn't bee seen. From the 17th of the 2nd month to the 17th of the 7th month is exactly 5 months. That's 5 times 30 days. You do the math.

precepts' quote:
You're assuming! And I don't have to prove anything, i already now it's true. Besides that, you haven't addressed the 1,260 days total of 3 1/2 years of 42 months of 30 days months!

30 x 5 = 150

That's not "assuming". It's called math. And I never asked you to prove anything, you asked me... no... you demanded that I prove something, and I did. And, also, I can't read your mind. The reason I haven't "addressed the 1,260 days total of 3 1/2 years of 42 months of 30 days months", is that you haven't asked me to. Just show me what verses you are talking about and tell me what, in particular, you would like addressed.

Theo's quote:
Wrong! Many societies throughout history have used lunar calendars. In fact, the word "month" is derived from the word "moon". If that's not a reference to a lunar calendar, I don't know what is. Even today, the Jews use a lunar calendar, albeit a calcualated one.

precepts' quote;
It would be foolish for me to say that no society have ever used a lunar calendar and I never did. It is documented by many in history that the lunar calendar is not an accurate one. The Egyptians', the calendar we now use, was once lunar.

That's not what you said before. You said "It's imoossible [sic] to use a lunar calendar, history proves this." It is not impossible to use a lunar calendar. Many societies have in the past, and a few are still in use today, for example, the Hebrew, Chinese, Islamic and Hindi calendars are all lunar-based. The Islamic calendar is purly a lunar calendar, while the others are so called "lunisolar" calendars.

The fact remains that a lunar, sighting of the new moons calendar, is not an accurate calendar and God would never gave man an unaccurate time keeping method.

That statement doesn't actually make sense, if you stop to think about it. What would you say if I told you that the inch, pound and quart were not accurate, but the centimeter, kilogram and liter were? Length, weight and volume, in and of themselves, have nothing to do with the units we use to measure them. Both the metric and American systems of weights and measures are "accurate", they just use different units. A person's height, for example, can be accurately measured using either feet and inches or centimeters. Likewise, time has nothing to do with the units we've invented to measure it with. Solar and lunar calendars are merely different units, just like feet and meters.

The bible has many contradictions and false information. This is a fact! In the account of the Pharisees and Sadducees, accusing Christ of casting out demons by a familiar spirit, there's two different accounts.

No, that is not a fact, it is your personal belief. You are entitled to that belief, but you are not entitled to say that yours is the only correct belief. As for the two accounts of Jesus casting out evil spirits, which you mention, the only difference I see in those two accounts is the wording. Two different people telling about the same event will tell it with different words. There's nothing odd about that. They both say the same thing though. If you disagree, show us where there is a real contradiction (not just a difference of symantics) between those two accounts.

 

[precepts]

30 x 5 = 150

That's not "assuming". It's called math. And I never asked you to prove anything, you asked me... no... you demanded that I prove something, and I did. And, also, I can't read your mind. The reason I haven't "addressed the 1,260 days total of 3 1/2 years of 42 months of 30 days months", is that you haven't asked me to. Just show me what verses you are talking about and tell me what, in particular, you would like addressed.

It only rained 40 days, the rest 110 days were not rainy days. It took 110 days for the waters to abate after the storm!

That's not what you said before. You said "It's imoossible [sic] to use a lunar calendar, history proves this." It is not impossible to use a lunar calendar. Many societies have in the past, and a few are still in use today, for example, the Hebrew, Chinese, Islamic and Hindi calendars are all lunar-based. The Islamic calendar is purly a lunar calendar, while the others are so called "lunisolar" calendars.

It's impossible to use a lunar calendar and keep the seasons aligned, eventually days have to be added or subtracted. That's a fact! There's no calendar know to man that doesn't have to be adjusted over a period of time, evening our adopted Egyptian Roman(Julius Caesar's as Pontifex Maximus) solar calendar we use today(Pope Gregory's revised Julian calendar)! Face the facts, there's no calendar existing that can keep the seasons aligned, equinoxes and solstices. It is the pagan cultures that strayed from God's biblical calendar in order to live in areas not designated by God, to promote the world we live in now as a tool to hide the truth of God and the bible.

That statement doesn't actually make sense, if you stop to think about it. What would you say if I told you that the inch, pound and quart were not accurate, but the centimeter, kilogram and liter were? Length, weight and volume, in and of themselves, have nothing to do with the units we use to measure them. Both the metric and American systems of weights and measures are "accurate", they just use different units. A person's height, for example, can be accurately measured using either feet and inches or centimeters. Likewise, time has nothing to do with the units we've invented to measure it with. Solar and lunar calendars are merely different units, just like feet and meters.

Your analogy, doesn't make sense, you're comparing apples to oranges. The fact remains, no calendar will every be able to keep the seasons, equinoxes, and solstices in alignment without adding or subtracting days which is not accurate when it comes to counting the numbers of days spent since Eden. If you have to add days and subtract days in a year how does one calculate the amount of days from yrs before to present. If according to what you want to assume that the 5 months were 30 days months because of the storm, how does one count the amount of days spent since Eden or in a year?

No, that is not a fact, it is your personal belief. You are entitled to that belief, but you are not entitled to say that yours is the only correct belief. As for the two accounts of Jesus casting out evil spirits, which you mention, the only difference I see in those two accounts is the wording. Two different people telling about the same event will tell it with different words. There's nothing odd about that. They both say the same thing though. If you disagree, show us where there is a real contradiction (not just a difference of symantics) between those two accounts.

It's a fact whether you want to believe or not. I don't have to convince you, only myself with the facts.

Spiritually shaking the dust off my feet.

 

[Pizzaguy]

Is your forehead getting sore, Theo?

Or did you find a SOFT wall so as to lesson the pain of the impacts? :D

 

[Theofilus]

It's impossible to use a lunar calendar and keep the seasons aligned, eventually days have to be added or subtracted. That's a fact! There's no calendar know to man that doesn't have to be adjusted over a period of time, evening our adopted Egyptian Roman(Julius Caesar's as Pontifex Maximus) solar calendar we use today(Pope Gregory's revised Julian calendar)! Face the facts, there's no calendar existing that can keep the seasons aligned, equinoxes and solstices. It is the pagan cultures that strayed from God's biblical calendar in order to live in areas not designated by God, to promote the world we live in now as a tool to hide the truth of God and the bible.

You do have a way of jumping from one thing to another, don't you? First you said it's impossible to use a lunar calendar. When I showed that it was possible, you changed the subject and said that the lunar calendar was not accurate. Now, when I showed that it was just as accurate, but used other units of measure, you change again and say that a lunar calendar can't keep aligned with the seasons. Can you make up your mind about what you're trying to say?

I've already explained this but, since you don't seem to be actually reading the posts you're replying to, I'll try again.

The biblical calendar wasn't 360 days. It was a lunar calendar, based on the actual sighting (as opposed to calculation) of the first sliver of the new moon. Since a lunar month is about 29.5 days, each month could be either 29 or 30 days long, and people couldn't know which it would be until the new moon was actually sighted. If the moon wasn't visible on the 29th day of the month because of cloud cover, the month was declared to be 30 days. That meant that a standard year was around 354 days, give or take a few.

The biblical calendar also had a system of "leap years", that was based on agriculture. To be able to keep the Feast of First Fruits in the first month of the year, the barley crop had to be ready for harvesting by the middle of the month. At the end of the 12th month each year, people would check on the barley and, if it was nearly ripe, a new year would start at the next new moon. Otherwise there would be a 13th month and the year would start a month later.

If according to what you want to assume that the 5 months were 30 days months because of the storm, how does one count the amount of days spent since Eden or in a year?

Why would anyone want to know the exact number of days since Eden? Whatever your reason for wanting to know, it's irrelevent whether you use a solar, lunar or lunisoar calendar. We don't know how long it's been since Eden, whether measured in days, weeks, months, or years. If you want to measure something, you have to measure it the whole way if you want to know the total. For example, if I wanted to know the distance from my house to work, it wouldn't do me any good to just measure the first 10 meters and the last 10 meters, if I didn't measure the distance in between. It's the same with years. It's not enough to know how many days passed from creation to the birth of Jacob (aka Israel) and the number of days from the birth of Christ until today (which we don't know, since we don't know exactly what year Jesus was born) if you don't know the number of years from Jacob to Christ. Since there are long periods of time about which we don't know, we'll never be able to calculate that. But, if you do have constant measurement from beginning to end, then it doesn't matter which calendar you use, as long as it's one you know.

 

[precepts]

You do have a way of jumping from one thing to another, don't you? First you said it's impossible to use a lunar calendar. When I showed that it was possible, you changed the subject and said that the lunar calendar was not accurate. Now, when I showed that it was just as accurate, but used other units of measure, you change again and say that a lunar calendar can't keep aligned with the seasons. Can you make up your mind about what you're trying to say?.

Spiritually shaking the dust off my feet.

Why would anyone want to know the exact number of days since Eden? Whatever your reason for wanting to know, it's irrelevent whether you use a solar, lunar or lunisoar calendar. We don't know how long it's been since Eden, whether measured in days, weeks, months, or years. If you want to measure something, you have to measure it the whole way if you want to know the total. For example, if I wanted to know the distance from my house to work, it wouldn't do me any good to just measure the first 10 meters and the last 10 meters, if I didn't measure the distance in between. It's the same with years. It's not enough to know how many days passed from creation to the birth of Jacob (aka Israel) and the number of days from the birth of Christ until today (which we don't know, since we don't know exactly what year Jesus was born) if you don't know the number of years from Jacob to Christ. Since there are long periods of time about which we don't know, we'll never be able to calculate that. But, if you do have constant measurement from beginning to end, then it doesn't matter which calendar you use, as long as it's one you know.

Wow! So your telling me if I want to add the total number of days since 1 ad, I don't have to use the 365 days, 366 every 4th year except for centenary yrs divisible by 400 rule? Wow!!! Spiritually shaking the dust off my feet.

 

[reba]

Jos 10:12 Then spake Joshua to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon.
Jos 10:13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.

 

[Theofilus]

Spiritually shaking the dust off my feet.



Wow! So your telling me if I want to add the total number of days since 1 ad, I don't have to use the 365 days, 366 every 4th year except for centenary yrs divisible by 400 rule? Wow!!! Spiritually shaking the dust off my feet.

:biglol

Are you saying that people who use calendars other than the modern Gregorian calendar have no way of counting days? Did people have no way of knowing how many days had passed before the days of Pope Gregory (1502-1585)?

I'm shaking my feet right back at you.

 

[reba]

All this date setting for Ester, end times what ever...

Sounds very interesting God could have set the calendar to be lunar or days He had full control of TIME.... . Why didn't God just make it simple?

 

[Pizzaguy]

Why didn't God just make it simple?

He did, He told us that "no man knoweth the day or hour", but that doesn't sit well with many people - who insist that God told them, well, US, everything.

 

[Theofilus]

All this date setting for Ester, end times what ever...

Sounds very interesting God could have set the calendar to be lunar or days He had full control of TIME.... . Why didn't God just make it simple?

A lunar calendar is simple. Any uneducated, illiterate farmer living 3000 years before Christ could look to the sky and see that there were only a couple of days left of the month. He could then look at his barley crop and see whether or not it was ripe and know whether or not it would be a leap year. No need for calculations of extra days every 4 years except years ending in two zeros except in years that start with a number divisible by 4 to keep the calendar in line with equinoxes that are calculated exactly using complex algorithms. You don't even have to know what an equinox or solstice is to use the biblical calendar.

Since you mentioned it, Easter is a Pagan holiday, the timing of which is based on soem pretty complicated calculations. It's the first Sunday after the first full moon after the spring equinox. Passover, on the other hand, is quite simple. It's the 14th day of the first month of the year.