Christ became Adam, the second Adam

[Elijah674]

OK who was Christ before this? Acts 7:37-28 (in the OT)

What happened to the Godhead then? Until Adam sinned, they were all 3 active, and after Adam sinned and Adam lost the Garment of Righteousness (see Matt. 4:9-10) Christ in the OT ((O.T.)) had limited POWER, yet still was God! The Godhead allowed satan this freedom to do his thing until Christ won the right back in the NT. This is why it is called the New Covenant! And John exclaimed that it was nothing new except for this. 1John 2:4-7

John 20:6 backs this up! Christ needed to be accepted as the second faithful Adam from Holy Spirit God (Spirit God) and Jehovah God to know that His mission was accomplished.

But NEVER doubt that Christ was FULLY God until He became the second Adam!
OK: This begs the question, who then called for the execution of the wicked from the flood? (+ all others)

--Elijah

 

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OK who was Christ before this? Acts 7:37-28 (in the OT)

What happened to the Godhead then? Until Adam sinned, they were all 3 active, and after Adam sinned and Adam lost the Garment of Righteousness (see Matt. 4:9-10) Christ in the OT ((O.T.)) had limited POWER, yet still was God! The Godhead allowed satan this freedom to do his thing until Christ won the right back in the NT. This is why it is called the New Covenant! And John exclaimed that it was nothing new except for this. 1John 2:4-7

John 20:6 backs this up! Christ needed to be accepted as the second faithful Adam from Holy Spirit God (Spirit God) and Jehovah God to know that His mission was accomplished.

But NEVER doubt that Christ was FULLY God until He became the second Adam!
OK: This begs the question, who then called for the execution of the wicked from the flood? (+ all others)

--Elijah

Well quite honestly Elijah I don't think the SDA says that and if any do it would be commonly considered heresy by most of mainstream Christianity.

s

 

[Elijah674]

OK who was Christ before this? Acts 7:37-28 (in the OT)

What happened to the Godhead then? Until Adam sinned, they were all 3 active, and after Adam sinned and Adam lost the Garment of Righteousness (see Matt. 4:9-10) Christ in the OT ((O.T.)) had limited POWER, yet still was God! The Godhead allowed satan this freedom to do his thing until Christ won the right back in the NT. This is why it is called the New Covenant! And John exclaimed that it was nothing new except for this. 1John 2:4-7

John 20:6 backs this up! Christ needed to be accepted as the second faithful Adam from Holy Spirit God (Spirit God) and Jehovah God to know that His mission was accomplished.

But NEVER doubt that Christ was FULLY God until He became the second Adam!
OK: This begs the question, who then called for the execution of the wicked from the flood? (+ all others)

--Elijah

Well quite honestly Elijah I don't think the SDA says that and if any do it would be commonly considered heresy by most of mainstream Christianity.

s

Hey friend, ;) all of these are called Rev. 17:1-5 ones by Christ, & SDA are no different in bottom line!

---Elijah

 

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OK who was Christ before this? Acts 7:37-28 (in the OT)

What happened to the Godhead then? Until Adam sinned, they were all 3 active, and after Adam sinned and Adam lost the Garment of Righteousness (see Matt. 4:9-10) Christ in the OT ((O.T.)) had limited POWER, yet still was God! The Godhead allowed satan this freedom to do his thing until Christ won the right back in the NT. This is why it is called the New Covenant! And John exclaimed that it was nothing new except for this. 1John 2:4-7

John 20:6 backs this up! Christ needed to be accepted as the second faithful Adam from Holy Spirit God (Spirit God) and Jehovah God to know that His mission was accomplished.

But NEVER doubt that Christ was FULLY God until He became the second Adam!
OK: This begs the question, who then called for the execution of the wicked from the flood? (+ all others)

--Elijah

Well quite honestly Elijah I don't think the SDA says that and if any do it would be commonly considered heresy by most of mainstream Christianity.

s

Hey friend, ;) all of these are called Rev. 17:1-5 ones by Christ, & SDA are no different in bottom line!

---Elijah

The credit I give you Elijah is the ability to avoid communication.

I made a very specific observation, that 'believers' of any stripe who say that Jesus was not fully God and Man or that try to diminish or divide those facts are technically heretics from an orthodox perspective and I believe on this particular count the SDA is entirely in line.

Though that may not be the case as you seem intent on proving.

s

 

[Elijah674]

These are all from EGW books & her beliefs on the Eternal Godhead!

'Christ is fullness of, manifested...' Evangelism 614

'Consists of Father,Son, and Holy Spirit...' ibid. 615-7

'Eternal heavenly Dignitaries are...' ibid 616








'Gave themselves to working out the [plan] of redemption...' CH 222

'Heavenly Trio of three living Persons of...' Ev. 615

'Spirit is Third Person of...' 6BC 1053 DA 671

'Three Dignitaries and Powers of...' 6BC 1075

'Three infinite and omniscient Powers of...' 6BC ibide.

--Elijah

 

[Elijah674]

God is Immortal (as is the Godhead. Two with an Image that man was patterned after) and the Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost is as stated, that God IS A SPIRIT.

OK: Now to be correctly stated we need to find that His angels are 'created' + 'ministering spirits'. Only created mankind have this image. (and because of satans rebellion, we find both good & bad 'spirits' called angels.)

NOW: Are you saying that the tribunal are created with an image as are mankind? That is to far a stretch for me to reach for! And the 'us' is included as in Immortality??? And if one checks the Holy Spirit out as well, He was active from day one on until Adam fell from Grace. And then Adam's domain was surrendered over to satan. (see Matt. 4:9-10)

It was at about this time that a [now] Adam Holy Spirit/less condemned man, and that was condemned to eternal death, that needed the Godhead's PLAN to restore the fallen race back from satan's fate. And God offered a CONDITIONAL PLAN to Adam & lost mankind on His terms. That include that of once again being Born Again 'spiritually' for another chance to MATURE and be SAFE TO SAVE. Nah. 1:9. (with all provisions IF they would! Phil. 4:13 + 2 Cor. 12:9)

And do you remember what the Holy Spirit was to do (one thing) after Christ sent Him Back? But in between this time, we find the only limits of the Godheads POWER to the area where Christ God was at in the O.T. (He was not omni present) Yet, wherever Christ God was at, He was in full mighty working POWER! (just not omnipresent as of yet)

--Elijah

 

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Ah, you did it again!

(He was not omni present)

Separating God in Christ from/as God is a basic foul of heresy.

I'd suggest your statement is quite entirely 'out of line' with your sect Elijah.

The 'classic' understanding of the Trinity is that Jesus was both fully God and fully Man. Trying to 'divide' any part of Jesus away from either position or from any other member of the TRINITY is a foul of heresy.

"Seventh-day Adventists agree with many Catholic doctrines, including the Trinity,"

http://www.catholic.com/tracts/seventh-day-adventism

You are welcome to clarify that you did NOT mean to say that Christ was not fully God.

s

 

[Elijah674]

Ah, you did it again!

(He was not omni present)

Separating God in Christ from/as God is a basic foul of heresy.

I'd suggest your statement is quite entirely 'out of line' with your sect Elijah.

The 'classic' understanding of the Trinity is that Jesus was both fully God and fully Man. Trying to 'divide' any part of Jesus away from either position or from any other member of the TRINITY is a foul of heresy.

"Seventh-day Adventists agree with many Catholic doctrines, including the Trinity,"

http://www.catholic.com/tracts/seventh-day-adventism

You are welcome to clarify that you did NOT mean to say that Christ was not fully God.

s

Just a bunch [[BUNCH]] of your words. My qualification has Christ ONLY using the second Adams power to live a perfect moral life as Adam could have done.

--Elijah

PS: Did you not read the last paragraph of post 6

 

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Ah, you did it again!

(He was not omni present)

Separating God in Christ from/as God is a basic foul of heresy.

I'd suggest your statement is quite entirely 'out of line' with your sect Elijah.

The 'classic' understanding of the Trinity is that Jesus was both fully God and fully Man. Trying to 'divide' any part of Jesus away from either position or from any other member of the TRINITY is a foul of heresy.

"Seventh-day Adventists agree with many Catholic doctrines, including the Trinity,"

http://www.catholic.com/tracts/seventh-day-adventism

You are welcome to clarify that you did NOT mean to say that Christ was not fully God.

s

Just a bunch [[BUNCH]] of your words. My qualification has Christ ONLY using the second Adams power to live a perfect moral life as Adam could have done.

--Elijah

Your statement speaks for itself as a non-trinitarian.

Jesus was not God 'until...'

That is not Trinitarian.

s

 

[Elijah674]

Do you not understand that [IF] Christ had (used) excess to any other power than Adam did, that he was would have been accepted of the Godhead? John 20:17
[17] Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

--Elijah

 

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Do you not understand that [IF] Christ had (used) excess to any other power than Adam did, that he was would have been accepted of the Godhead? John 20:17
[17] Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

--Elijah

The SDA is accepted in ecumenical circles of other believers primarily because they adhere to Trinitarian orthodox standards.

You however are out of that measure with your presentations and I would suggest that you brush up on those details.

Pretty sure I can find some official SDA citings that affirm orthodox trinitarian standards.

"the Second of our Fundamental Beliefs that commences:

"There is one God: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, a unity of three co-eternal Persons."


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Yep, classic trin.

s

 

[Elijah674]

Do you not understand that [IF] Christ had (used) excess to any other power than Adam did, that he was would have been accepted of the Godhead? John 20:17
[17] Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

--Elijah

The SDA is accepted in ecumenical circles of other believers primarily because they adhere to Trinitarian orthodox standards.

You however are out of that measure with your presentations and I would suggest that you brush up on those details.

Pretty sure I can find some official SDA citings that affirm orthodox trinitarian standards.

"the Second of our Fundamental Beliefs that commences:

"There is one God: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, a unity of three co-eternal Persons."


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Yep, classic trin.

s

So they are wrong on that as well!

--Elijah

 

[Elijah674]

The Lords Word has it said in Psalms 2 in future tense that...

[7] I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

And then we find the time for it taking place in...

Acts 13

[32] And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the promise which was made unto the fathers,
[33] God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.

And then again in Heb. 1...
[1] God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
[2] Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
[3] Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
[4] Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
[5] For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

--Elijah

PS: Perhaps you will find how John can say that...
1 John
[3] And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
[4] He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
[5] But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.


[6] He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
[7] Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.

--Elijah

 

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So they are wrong on that as well!

--Elijah

That was from the SDA Elijah.

Are you a breakaway member?

s

 

[Elijah674]

So they are wrong on that as well!

--Elijah

That was from the SDA Elijah.

Are you a breakaway member?

s

What kind of question is that?? Are you a 'breakaway' - 'member'??

Laodicea are claimed SDA, and Philadelphia are the one who are kept Rev. 3:10. (Rev. 12:17)
And who in there right mind would want to be called SDA, indeed talking all who are doing their complete work for them??? (and then trademark legal lawsuits! meaning the last results is death) And this is just one of many of the Matt.23 condemnation from Christ!

So no for these ones of Matt. 23:1-3
[1] Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
[2] Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
[3] All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

The only way to be un/membered is to request that your past/membership has been removed. (done in the early 1990's there bouts)

--Elijah

 

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The only way to be un/membered is to request that your past/membership has been removed. (done in the early 1990's there bouts)

--Elijah

Ah, that's what I thought. Took awhile but finally figured it out.

So you are a member of a group that 'broke away' from the Seventh Day Adventists?

?

 

[Elijah674]

The only way to be un/membered is to request that your past/membership has been removed. (done in the early 1990's there bouts)

--Elijah

Ah, that's what I thought. Took awhile but finally figured it out.

So you are a member of a group that 'broke away' from the Seventh Day Adventists?

?

'

With a question mark? (?)
No. They have left Adventism! (Christ documents that you will be CALLED by another NAME)

Think of it this way, they had a great falling away back in Christ's time, who stayed put & who left whom? That is why you have an Acts church.
Did you get that?

And ALL of Rev. Church 'folds' are virgin with the angels of Rev. 1-3 being sent there. (the Rev. 17:1-5 ones are not Hardly mentioned except for being in apostasy... and surely there are many that have died believing their teachings who will be saved)

--Elijah

 

[Elijah674]

Old Covenant + New Covenant? 1 John 2:7 has it stated this way...
[7] Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.
[8] Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth.

Perhaps this will help 'one or two' see??

Hi, In John 20:17 Christ told Mary not to touch Him, that He had not secured approval of the Father as of yet.

And in Matt. 4:9 we see satan having jurisdiction over the earth, (taken away from the 1st. Adam)

This is why Christ needed His approval from God to know that his life & death was without any taint of sin! (as the second Adam)

One more? When Christ died, do you remember what his question was?
Matt. 27
[43] He trusted in God; let him deliver him now, if he will have him: for he said, I am the Son of God.
[44] The thieves also, which were crucified with him, cast the same in his teeth.
[45] Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour.

[46] And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?[47] Some of them that stood there, when they heard that, said, This man calleth for Elias.

This proved that Christ relied solely upon Jehovah for his second Adam life's power.

Now this was not the case in the OT.

--Elijah

 

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If you are trying to hit the hot buttons that eliminate your position from orthodox trinitarian consider yourself successful.

From experience whenever that position [orthodox trinitarian] is stepped away from, the only thing that transpires is even worse constructs are taken on.

Could site 2 or 3 examples from your last post, but again from what I've seen departure on this item is seldom remedied. There are other underlying issues.

jes sayin

s

 

[Elijah674]

If you are trying to hit the hot buttons that eliminate your position from orthodox trinitarian consider yourself successful.

From experience whenever that position [orthodox trinitarian] is stepped away from, the only thing that transpires is even worse constructs are taken on.

Could site 2 or 3 examples from your last post, but again from what I've seen departure on this item is seldom remedied. There are other underlying issues.

jes sayin

s

I understand that the false G.C. had given ground to the Rev. 17:1-5 ones. But that is not their teachings of yesteryear! (as your quote stated)
Christ had already stated that your 'door was shut' in Matt. 25! (the Matt. 25 'PARABLE' verse 10)
--Elijah