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Have you noticed that Pastors and the Church in general has gone out of its way to avoid the Woke Agenda?
We sat back as they stripped God, prayer and the 10 Commandments out of our education system.
We fail to communicate any message of significance to the world about Christ, salvation or quite frankly anything that matters.
So what do we need to do and say as followers of Christ, when it comes to indoctrinating our children on sex, immoral ideas, pedophilia and gender surgeries?
Most Christians & Pastors are clueless on what to do and say to counter these horrible ideas & practices.
What do you think believers should do in these bizarre times? Or should we merely sit back, be comfortable watching our nation become immoral and wicked?
 
Have you noticed that Pastors and the Church in general has gone out of its way to avoid the Woke Agenda?
We sat back as they stripped God, prayer and the 10 Commandments out of our education system.
We fail to communicate any message of significance to the world about Christ, salvation or quite frankly anything that matters.
So what do we need to do and say as followers of Christ, when it comes to indoctrinating our children on sex, immoral ideas, pedophilia and gender surgeries?
Most Christians & Pastors are clueless on what to do and say to counter these horrible ideas & practices.
What do you think believers should do in these bizarre times? Or should we merely sit back, be comfortable watching our nation become immoral and wicked?

Well I certainly wouldn't go with that last part.

My personal take here would be to focus on changing what we can change, and one soul at a time. I invest myself in the gifts and calling God has given me, and leading those Christ brings to me into a stronger relationship with Him.

The culture is tanking spiritually at this point, so an overly morose focus on the victories Satan is having right now wouldn't be good for the Spirit. I say focus on what God is doing instead. The time will come when the tide turns in the favor of Christianity again, and the end time harvest finally begins taking place. Until then I'm gonna concentrate on working to prepare an army, one soul at a time.

Welcome to CF.net.
Hidden In Him
 
So what do we need to do and say as followers of Christ, when it comes to indoctrinating our children on sex, immoral ideas, pedophilia and gender surgeries?
HI Kirkheiner

You need to do what I did with mine. You follow God's commands for parents teaching children.

Fix these words of mine in your hearts and minds; tie them as symbols on your hands and bind them on your foreheads.
Teach them to your children, talking about them when you sit at home and when you walk along the road, when you lie down and when you get up. Write them on the doorframes of your houses and on your gates,...


That has always been God's plan for parents that love Him. You are responsible for what your children believe as regards spiritual things.

When my son was finishing his senior year in HS, he needed one last science credit, and it was to be biology. We sat down and
talked, and I warned him of some of the things they might try to teach him that, from a christian standpoint aren't considered true. Like evolutionary theory to explain the existence of mankind.

Now, I believe it was an answer to prayer, but when we went to 'student' day to talk to teachers. And my son would make his choice as to what classes he would take, his chemistry teacher came up to him and said to us, and at this point I don't think I had said anything in front of the teacher about my concern, that he would get him out of the science requirement if he would take chem 2. As I see it, God still answers prayers.

But if you want your children to grow up knowing the truth about godly things, I believe that our heavenly Father expects godly parents to teach them of such things. They don't have prayer in school, but you can pray with your child before he goes in the morning. And if you pray with him, it's likely to be a better experience, than someone praying some general prayer over a speaker in class.

Sorry if there are errors. I had shoulder repair surgery yesterday and so this is all hunt n'peck with one hand.

God bless
Ted
 
Have you noticed that Pastors and the Church in general has gone out of its way to avoid the Woke Agenda?
We sat back as they stripped God, prayer and the 10 Commandments out of our education system.
We fail to communicate any message of significance to the world about Christ, salvation or quite frankly anything that matters.
So what do we need to do and say as followers of Christ, when it comes to indoctrinating our children on sex, immoral ideas, pedophilia and gender surgeries?
Most Christians & Pastors are clueless on what to do and say to counter these horrible ideas & practices.
What do you think believers should do in these bizarre times? Or should we merely sit back, be comfortable watching our nation become immoral and wicked?
A good philosophy for our children is to follow this admonition from God:
(Deuteronomy 6:6, 7) . . .These words that I am commanding you today must be on your heart, 7 and you must inculcate them in your sons and speak of them when you sit in your house and when you walk on the road and when you lie down and when you get up.
 
Hi Kirkheiner
Have you noticed that Pastors and the Church in general has gone out of its way to avoid the Woke Agenda?
Honestly, I'm not sure that anyone has a clear definition of what 'woke' is. It seems to be anyone thinking or doing differently than me. They're woke! To me, it's just another buzz word agenda.

God bless;
Ted
 
1John 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
1John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
1John 2:17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

God spoke this warning to two Churches in Revelations. One being the Church at Ephesus and the Church at Pergamos.

The Nicolaitans were a Gentile heretic sect that converted over to Judaism to dominate others with their heretic teachings. Irenaeus, Hippolytus, Epiphanius, and Theodoret mentioned this group, and stated that the deacon Nicolas was the author of the heresy and the sect. The Nicolaitanes are the followers of that Nicolas who was one of the seven first ordained to the diaconate by the apostles in AD 33, Acts 6:5. They lead lives of unrestrained indulgence as in eating things offered to idols. The teaching of the Nicolaitans was to dominate the people leading them astray from that of what Jesus taught and this goes against the teachings of Jesus, Matthew 20:25-28.

Rev 2:6 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.

Rev 2:15 So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate.

Act 6:5 And the saying pleased the whole multitude: and they chose Stephen, a man full of faith and of the Holy Ghost, and Philip, and Prochorus, and Nicanor, and Timon, and Parmenas, and Nicolas a proselyte of Antioch:




This website explains it better than I can about the Woke movement that is nothing more then that of an antichrist spirit as Jesus gave warning in these above scriptures about those who try and lead us away from the true teachings of Christ.

Today, the modern religion of the world is wokeness and when you examine its heart, you find wokeness is divisive and antichrist in nature. Those who embrace woke ideology claim to be distinctly aware of social justice problems and aim to eliminate all inequality. These people ‘awakened’ by the contemporary gospel of ‘justice’ believe this can be achieved by tearing down the old oppressive patriarchal order and by embracing all forms of diversity, inclusion and equity (DIE).
 
Hi for_his_glory

Yes, I have seen that. The woke agenda does fight for human equalization as to value and worth, as ascribed by the world. In some cases, such as racial hatred, that can be good. However, I am not in agreement with said agenda in a lot of the 'sexual equality' matters. Some yes, many no. This is why I don't like the word or the concept. Let's speak of each measure, agenda, plan, etc., on its own merits rather than use EXPLOSIVE/EMOTIONALLY driven catch words.

When I hear people use such words as 'antifa', 'socialist', 'woke', I know I'm listening to a person who is generally just a complainer in all things. Often in further discussion they'll just rattle off all of the ills of the world, declaring "Woe is me." And in quite a lot of cases, further discussion yields that they don't even know their subject, it's just a litany of a long string of the ills we all deal with, that they're unhappy about.

Well, newsflash!!!!!! That line in the constitution about 'pursuit of happiness'? They made that up. There is no Scriptural truth that God has ever told us that in this life we should 'pursue happiness. In fact, for those who know the Lord, I think the Scriptures tell us the exact opposite.

“I have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world.”

It's that last bit that I think we struggle with. We don't really trust that God's got our back.

God bless,
Ted
 
Have you noticed that Pastors and the Church in general has gone out of its way to avoid the Woke Agenda?
We sat back as they stripped God, prayer and the 10 Commandments out of our education system.
We fail to communicate any message of significance to the world about Christ, salvation or quite frankly anything that matters.
So what do we need to do and say as followers of Christ, when it comes to indoctrinating our children on sex, immoral ideas, pedophilia and gender surgeries?
Most Christians & Pastors are clueless on what to do and say to counter these horrible ideas & practices.
What do you think believers should do in these bizarre times? Or should we merely sit back, be comfortable watching our nation become immoral and wicked?

True children of God - who are a shrinking minority in the Church today in North America - are often very confused about what it is to be a disciple of Jesus Christ. And if the genuinely born-again are confused about this most crucial spiritual subject, how much greater the confusion of the nominal Christian majority in the Church? This confusion reveals itself in all manner of ways in the Church but ultimately and particularly in it having no power to spiritually/morally influence secular society. Until the Church is revived spiritually, cleaned out, and enjoying real, daily fellowship with God, it will simply be carried along on the tide of Woke madness inundating North America that is drowning saved and lost alike in cultural chaos and destruction.

How can this state-of-affairs be rectified?

1.) Repentance. (Acts 3:19; Revelation 2-3)

At bottom, repentance is a change of mind. Not tears shed over sin; not weepy declarations of my wickedness; not chest-beating self-recrimination, but recognizing the lies I've told myself about my sin, in the light of God's Truth seeing the line of self-deceptions that have brought me into spiritual/moral compromise and have halted my daily, life-changing communion with God and rejecting them for the lies that they are, embracing God's Truth, His will and way, no matter the cost.

Repentance is not first and foremost an emotional business, marked necessarily by tearful confession of sin, but is a mind-oriented thing that conforms my beliefs, my values, my thinking and my conduct to God's will and way. Doing so might lead to a tearful confession of rebellion toward God, but real repentance isn't revealed by tears and honesty, but by a turning from false (and sinful) thinking to a life that is entirely occupied with pursuing God's will and way, His glory, in everything. (Romans 8:29; 1 Corinthians 10:31; 2 Corinthians 4:7-11; Colossians 3:1-4, Philippians 1:21, etc.)

Perhaps the most basic point upon which most "Christians" today need to change their minds (repent), is in their view of God. He is very small in the minds of most modern believers, crowded to the margins of life by all manner of distractions, diversions, desires, urgent matters, practical considerations, looming catastrophes, cultural decline, political strife, and so on. There is so much stuff between the average North American "Christian" and the God to whom they claim allegiance that He is often entirely obscured - even on a Sunday morning when they are singing praises to Him. They may belt out "Come Let Us Worship" energetically but their minds are on their afternoon golf game, or the pretty woman a few pews over, or the outfit and hairdo of the Worship leader, or the next session of World of Warcraft they'll play, or on getting the bass line of the song right. Many "Christians" worship God with their lips but their hearts are far from Him; they profess that they know God but in works they deny Him being abominable, disobedient and reprobate in their living (Matthew 15:8; Titus 1:16).

The terrible thing about this condition is that many have been so long in it that they don't see it as a problem. It's normal; a shrunken, distant God who doesn't actually do anything in one's life is common Christianity, they believe, and so it must be proper Christianity (which, of course, is a great example of the Is-Ought Fallacy). From this badly diminished view of God inevitably arises a very ungodly life. What sense would there be, after all, in centering one's life around such a small, far off, disinterested Being? And so, Christians with this sort of insignificant God in their minds live in constant reflection of His insignificance by replacing Him at every turn with themselves and what they want, and think, and imagine.

Obviously, a church filled with "Christians" of this sort is utterly devoid of any real, divine power, or experience. To make up for this fact, such churches migrate into worldliness, entertainment, psychological therapy, and social justice garbed in religious activity and language, sanctified by the occasional vague reference to God. These churches eventually reflect only the World, the Flesh and even the devil (in the worst cases) and so cease to be of value to the lost who already have plenty of these things without the added layers of religious rituals, ideas and language.

Until genuine repentance from such stuff is enacted by the Church in North America, it will continue to remain rotted and ineffective in the culture.

2.) Confession. (1 John 1:9; James 4:6-10)

When genuine repentance happens, confession is always the result - so much so that confession is often confused with repentance. Many is the "Christian," however, who has confessed their sin - perhaps with many tears - and then gone right back to it. Fellow believers are often astonished and dismayed by this, having mistaken confession for repentance. Nonetheless, confession is a necessary feature of the Church returning to spiritual health and power and to its God-intended morally and spiritually salutary effect upon society.

By the way, confession isn't "God please forgive me!" but "God you're right: What I've done, what I've thought, imagined and believed, is sin." Confession is an acknowledgment of the Truth of things, a conscious, explicit agreement with God that our sin is actually the sin He says it is. After Christ's atonement for sin, in Scripture there isn't a single command to believers to ask for forgiveness from God. Why would there be? In Christ, the born-again believer is already fully, permanently forgiven by God, which is the necessary condition for His acceptance of them into His kingdom and family.

3.) Submission. (Romans 6:13-22; Romans 12:1; James 4:7; 1 Peter 5:6)

If believers do not repent, confess and then come under the constant control of the Holy Spirit, their spiritual transformation and empowerment cannot happen. God will not fill rebels with Himself, which is what every wayward believer is until they consciously, explicitly and persistently submit to His authority and control (and stay under His control!). So long as the Christian is a rebel toward God, perhaps pleading with Him for power, peace, joy and blessing but never yielding to Him as their Lord and Master, they will find only spiritual counterfeits of genuine Spirit-filled living that leave them, in the end, exhausted, frustrated and ignorant of a genuine, concrete daily experience of their Maker and Savior. Oh, they may have moments of high emotion about religious ideas and rituals, but in the mundane grind of daily living never experience the transformative touch of God upon them. And they never will until they are under His constant control. In such a state, "Christians" are of no use to those in the World desperate for something real, something heart-changing, with God.

So, no, the Church ought never to sit back and watch society collapse into evil. For that collapse I think God will hold complacent, compromised believers (the Church) at least partially accountable.

1 Peter 4:17-19
17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them who obey not the gospel of God?
18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
19 Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.

2 Corinthians 4:7-11
7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
8 We are troubled on every side, yet not distressed; we are perplexed, but not in despair;
9 Persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed;
10 Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body.
11 For we which live are always delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh.

Matthew 5:16
16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
 
Hi for_his_glory

Yes, I have seen that. The woke agenda does fight for human equalization as to value and worth, as ascribed by the world. In some cases, such as racial hatred, that can be good. However, I am not in agreement with said agenda in a lot of the 'sexual equality' matters. Some yes, many no. This is why I don't like the word or the concept. Let's speak of each measure, agenda, plan, etc., on its own merits rather than use EXPLOSIVE/EMOTIONALLY driven catch words.

When I hear people use such words as 'antifa', 'socialist', 'woke', I know I'm listening to a person who is generally just a complainer in all things. Often in further discussion they'll just rattle off all of the ills of the world, declaring "Woe is me." And in quite a lot of cases, further discussion yields that they don't even know their subject, it's just a litany of a long string of the ills we all deal with, that they're unhappy about.

Well, newsflash!!!!!! That line in the constitution about 'pursuit of happiness'? They made that up. There is no Scriptural truth that God has ever told us that in this life we should 'pursue happiness. In fact, for those who know the Lord, I think the Scriptures tell us the exact opposite.

“I have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world.”

It's that last bit that I think we struggle with. We don't really trust that God's got our back.

God bless,
Ted
I never heard of "Woke" until someone else brought it into the forums. I don't know much about this movement, but again, we are not to get entangled with things of this word, but to be about our Fathers business taking the Gospel of God's grace to those who will have ears to hear. Our pursuit of happiness has to be in the Lord trusting Him for all things as He never promised us a rose garden.
 

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