Christian Forums

This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

Christian led genocide of the Native Americans?

S

Soma-Sight

Guest
"By conservative estimates, the population of the United states prior to European contact was greater than 12 million. Four centuries later, the count was reduced by 95% to 237 thousand.



In 1493, when Columbus returned to the Hispaniola, he quickly implemented policies of slavery and mass extermination of the Taino population of the Caribbean. Within three years, five million were dead. Las Casas, the primary historian of the Columbian era, writes of many accounts of the horrors that the Spanish colonists inflicted upon the indigenous population: hanging them en mass, hacking their children into pieces to be used as dog feed, and other horrid cruelties. The works of Las Casas are often omitted from popular American history books and courses because Columbus is considered a hero by many, even today.

Mass killing did not cease, however, after Columbus departed. Expansion of the European colonies led to similar genocides. "Indian Removal" policy was put into action to clear the land for white settlers. Methods for the removal included slaughter of villages by the military and also biological warfare. High death rates resulted from forced marches to relocate the Indians.

The Removal Act of 1830 set into motion a series of events which led to the "Trail of Tears" in 1838, a forced march of the Cherokees, resulting in the destruction of most of the Cherokee population." The concentration of American Indians in small geographic areas, and the scattering of them from their homelands, caused increased death, primarily because of associated military actions, disease, starvation, extremely harsh conditions during the moves, and the resulting destruction of ways of life.

During American expansion into the western frontier, one primary effort to destroy the Indian way of life was the attempts of the U.S. government to make farmers and cattle ranchers of the Indians. In addition, one of the most substantial methods was the premeditated destructions of flora and fauna which the American Indians used for food and a variety of other purposes. We now also know that the Indians were intentionally exposed to smallpox by Europeans. The discovery of gold in California, early in 1848, prompted American migration and expansion into the west. The greed of Americans for money and land was rejuvenated with the Homestead Act of 1862. In California and Texas there was blatant genocide of Indians by non-Indians during certain historic periods. In California, the decrease from about a quarter of a million to less than 20,000 is primarily due to the cruelties and wholesale massacres perpetrated by the miners and early settlers. Indian education began with forts erected by Jesuits, in which indigenous youths were incarcerated, indoctrinated with non-indigenous Christian values, and forced into manual labor. These children were forcibly removed from their parents by soldiers and many times never saw their families until later in their adulthood. This was after their value systems and knowledge had been supplanted with colonial thinking. One of the foundations of the U.S. imperialist strategy was to replace traditional leadership of the various indigenous nations with indoctrinated "graduates" of white "schools," in order to expedite compliance with U.S. goals and expansion.

Probably one of the most ruinous acts to the Indians was the disappearance of the buffalo. For the Indians who lived on the Plains, life depended on the buffalo. At the beginning of the nineteenth century, there were an estimated forty million buffalo, but between 1830 and 1888 there was a rapid, systematic extermination culminating in the sudden slaughter of the only two remaining Plain herds. By around 1895, the formerly vast buffalo populations were practically extinct. The slaughter occurred because of the economic value of buffalo hides to Americans and because the animals were in the way of the rapidly westward expanding population. The end result was widescale starvation and the social and cultural disintegration of many Plains tribes.

Genocide entered international law for the first time in 1948; the international community took notice when Europeans (Jews, Poles, and other victims of Nazi Germany) faced cultural extinction. The "Holocaust" of World War II came to be the model of genocide. We, as the human race, must realize, however, that other genocides have occurred. Genocide against many particular groups is still widely happening today. The discrimination of the Native American population is only one example of this ruthless destruction.

Credits: Sharon Johnston, The Genocide of Native Americans: A Sociological View, 1996.



http://www.iearn.org/hgp/aeti/aeti-1997 ... icans.html
 
Bilal said:
Me wonders why no-one is replying to this?
couple reasons come to mind...

1. It looks like the board has been a bit slow recently..

2. The things listed have little to do with any who were actually following
that path Jesus laid out for us to walk.
Thusly the piece is building off a false premise.
 
80% of those responsible for killing Indians are right handed. Lets blame all right handed people.

In other words, don't blame Christians because it is one identifiable factor in those who commited certain atrocities.
 
Me wonders why no-one is replying to this?

Because the Truth hurts.

Especially when we condem Muslims for trying to kill Jews when white Christians did the same thing to Native American groups over land and religion.
 
Soma-Sight said:
Me wonders why no-one is replying to this?

Because the Truth hurts.

Especially when we condem Muslims for trying to kill Jews when white Christians did the same thing to Native American groups over land and religion.
your willful ignorance of the truth is showing again.
 
This extermination of Native American identity has been continued in contemporary practice by the Lakeside Ohio Methodist conference. Their resolution will unequivocally support denigration of the eagle feather and attack the cultural religious identity of vulnerable Native children. Isn't the Antichrist the one who destroys children? Physical mutilation is no longer attainable but perversion of cultural religious symbolism remains the core hate crime of Methodists against Native American families.
Rising before the crowd of 1,700 wearing her supremacist trophy of conquest, a hat with the eagle feather bedecked Chief Wahoo, a Methodist woman bragged, "I'm really tired of being politically correct".

No one had accused these Methodists assembled of being politically correct on any topic regarding religious freedom. Female Methodists at the conference proudly paraded Wahoo's blood red eagle feather on puffed up chests and waved these trophies projecting from the head of their favorite Missionary to the Indians, Chief Wahoo, in the same fashion that Reverend Chivington taught them.

Well endowed, well fed Methodist women choose to ignore the religious significance of the eagle feather to Native Americans, which is the same religious symbol their church elders stomped into the ground as they cut the breasts off Cheyenne women.


chivington1.jpg


http://www.iwchildren.org/methwaho.htm
 
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction" (Blaise Pascal)
 
so gee...

It doesn't look like they were doing what Jesus would have them to
do, now does it.

sooo...I guess the other poster was right all along, and it is the fault of all
the right handed people that were there and thusly, by extension...
the fault of all the right-handed people on the continent today.

cheers,
mark
 
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction" (Blaise Pascal)

Religion is [fill in here]
 
as daniel barrigan said when he spoke at my school

(nto exactly)
"the problem is that people believe they are christians, and use christianity to promote their ways, and THAT is a non christian thing to do. Jesus wants you to follow his path. Murdering others, Enslaving others, Destroying others because they are diffrent, is NOT on the path that jesus walked"
 
I'm unclear as to the point of this thread. Some white Christians once upon a time did bad things to some American Indians. This was very bad of them. And? Does this mean that contemporary Christians are bad? Does it mean contemporary white people are bad?

50 years ago, a bunch of Germans did a very bad thing. Should we be condemning modern Germans for this? 4000 years ago, Egyptians held slaves. Does this make modern Egyptians evil? What's the statute of limitations on bad deeds?

Now, American Indian culture is one of the most aggressively protected cultures in existence. Oddly, though, it's principally protected by upper-middle class white people. Left to their own devices, the remaining AmIndians would probably completely assimilate without looking back inside of a few generations. Given the poverty typical of many reservationists, they'd probably be better off, too.

This isn't to say that the AIs can go stuff it, all hail whitey, blah blah blah. To the extent the Indians wish to keep their culture, fine, let them. But we shouldn't determine the wishes of the bulk of the AI community based on a handful of outspoken AIs and vocal group of guilt-ridden white folks. When polls say that these people don't mind assimilation, have no problem with their ancestors being used as sports mascots, and wish people would just shut up about the Cleveland Indians, maybe we should stop pretending that we know best. It's condescending as hell.
 
Pedantic point. A lot of that 95% was not due to human hands but small pox (ridden blankets) and a bunch of other diseases. The Incans and the Aztecs could have won most battles that would have occurred by sheer numbers (russian charge anyone?) if it wasn't for our bacteria.

Artguy, I think he's trying to polish the glass house to stop people from stoning muslims.
 
moniker said:
Artguy, I think he's trying to polish the glass house to stop people from stoning muslims.

Encouraging people to treat Muslims with respect and kindness is a good thing, but trying to do so by trudging up guilt for something that no man alive is responsible for is a backwards way to do it.
 
Encouraging people to treat Muslims with respect and kindness is a good thing, but trying to do so by trudging up guilt for something that no man alive is responsible for is a backwards way to do it.

Iraq CIVILIAN body count top date.....

38,000

http://www.iraqbodycount.net/

Once again history repeats itself.

I'm unclear as to the point of this thread. Some white Christians once upon a time did bad things to some American Indians. This was very bad of them. And? Does this mean that contemporary Christians are bad? Does it mean contemporary white people are bad?

50 years ago, a bunch of Germans did a very bad thing. Should we be condemning modern Germans for this? 4000 years ago, Egyptians held slaves. Does this make modern Egyptians evil? What's the statute of limitations on bad deeds?

Both the American genocide of NA and the Nazi genocide of the Jews were "Christian led" and supported by MANY churches of Jesus at the time.

Modern day Christianity needs reform.

It should not promote war and should endorse peace.

Otherwise we will have a big problem in the next few years with the Arabs.
 
Soma-Sight said:
Both the American genocide of NA and the Nazi genocide of the Jews were "Christian led" and supported by MANY churches of Jesus at the time.

This is highly misleading. Unscrupulous people will use religion to justify their goals. It doesn't much matter what the religion is. Christianity has happened to be the tool of people in modern western civilization because Christianity is the dominant religion. You don't think that Muslims use their religion to justify atrocity? You don't think ancient greeks and romans fought in the names of their chosen deities? You don't think American Indians fought for the glory of their gods? Your error is in thinking that Christianity is uniquely bad in this sense.

Modern day Christianity needs reform.

It should not promote war and should endorse peace.

I agree that Christianity should endorse peace. It should remain silent, though, on the best means of acquiring peace. Only a fool thinks that battle is never justified, and Christianity is not qualified to serve as a judge of appropriate causus belli.

At any rate, I think modern day Christianity is fine. It's many of the modern day Christians that need some help.
 
Soma-Sight said:
Encouraging people to treat Muslims with respect and kindness is a good thing, but trying to do so by trudging up guilt for something that no man alive is responsible for is a backwards way to do it.

Iraq CIVILIAN body count top date.....

38,000

http://www.iraqbodycount.net/

Once again history repeats itself.

[quote:a0ba5]I'm unclear as to the point of this thread. Some white Christians once upon a time did bad things to some American Indians. This was very bad of them. And? Does this mean that contemporary Christians are bad? Does it mean contemporary white people are bad?

50 years ago, a bunch of Germans did a very bad thing. Should we be condemning modern Germans for this? 4000 years ago, Egyptians held slaves. Does this make modern Egyptians evil? What's the statute of limitations on bad deeds?

Both the American genocide of NA and the Nazi genocide of the Jews were "Christian led" and supported by MANY churches of Jesus at the time.

Modern day Christianity needs reform.

It should not promote war and should endorse peace.

Otherwise we will have a big problem in the next few years with the Arabs.
[/quote:a0ba5]

38,000. Its not just a number. Its 38,000 people. Living things, like u and me. What was their crime? I wonder what the count is in Afghanistan?

You know- what comes to thought is that, this so-called war-on-terror was meant to prevent terrorists striking wherever...but more specifically, retrubution for 9/11 was also a major factor.

The question is: Is the slaughter in Afghanistan and the Middle East an appropiate memorial to those who tradgically lost their life on Sept 11?
 
ArtGuy said:
moniker said:
Artguy, I think he's trying to polish the glass house to stop people from stoning muslims.

Encouraging people to treat Muslims with respect and kindness is a good thing, but trying to do so by trudging up guilt for something that no man alive is responsible for is a backwards way to do it.

I never said the point was a good one. :P

Unscrupulous men have used any and all things they can to justify their abhorrent actions. The answer is not to remove nor condemn those scapegoats but to hold those responsible to task. Terrorism, genocide, hatred have no race, no religion, no political side. They dwell within and are shaped by people from any side of the spectrum and their causes are many.
 
moniker said:
Unscrupulous men have used any and all things they can to justify their abhorrent actions. The answer is not to remove nor condemn those scapegoats but to hold those responsible to task. Terrorism, genocide, hatred have no race, no religion, no political side. They dwell within and are shaped by people from any side of the spectrum and their causes are many.

Bingo.
 
Back
Top