Christian Music poptarts keep leaving the Faith

[Tertul]

The lead singer of a Christian rock band, Jon Steingard, and the son of a pastor just announced on Instagram that he no longer believes in God. There's a steady stream of modern Christian Music performers announcing they no longer believe. The stream is just the top of the iceberg (sorry to mix metaphors). For everyone who announces they no longer believe, there are more who quietly go away or continue in the industry pretending to believe.

Last year, Marty Sampson, a worship music writer, singer, and member of Hillsong which produces lot of the music used in churches today said this:

Time for some real talk. I’m genuinely losing my faith, and it doesn’t bother me. Like, what bothers me now is nothing. I am so happy now, so at peace with the world. My comment: A sane person leaving the faith would not happy about it. They would miss the hope that is in Christ and the fellowship with other Christians. Or, at least, they'd be sad with regret for the time they think they wasted in Christianity.

How many preachers fall? Many. No one talks about it. How many miracles happen. Not many. No one talks about it. Why is the Bible full of contradictions? No one talks about it. How can God be love yet send four billion people to a place, all ‘coz they don’t believe? No one talks about it. My comment: Anyone on this planet shouldn't have any trouble finding people talking about these things.

Science keeps piercing the truth of every religion. My comment: It's really dumb to reason that for Christianity to be true, mutually exclusive religions must also be true.

When I start having issues of faith, it really helps me to read the lame reasoning of ex-Christians. PS, I hate Hillsong "music", therefor I'm happy he's not producing any more of that shallow dreck.

 

[JohnDB]

The lead singer of a Christian rock band, Jon Steingard, and the son of a pastor just announced on Instagram that he no longer believes in God. There's a steady stream of modern Christian Music performers announcing they no longer believe. The stream is just the top of the iceberg (sorry to mix metaphors). For everyone who announces they no longer believe, there are more who quietly go away or continue in the industry pretending to believe.

Last year, Marty Sampson, a worship music writer, singer, and member of Hillsong which produces lot of the music used in churches today said this:

Time for some real talk. I’m genuinely losing my faith, and it doesn’t bother me. Like, what bothers me now is nothing. I am so happy now, so at peace with the world. My comment: A sane person leaving the faith would not happy about it. They would miss the hope that is in Christ and the fellowship with other Christians. Or, at least, they'd be sad with regret for the time they think they wasted in Christianity.

How many preachers fall? Many. No one talks about it. How many miracles happen. Not many. No one talks about it. Why is the Bible full of contradictions? No one talks about it. How can God be love yet send four billion people to a place, all ‘coz they don’t believe? No one talks about it. My comment: Anyone on this planet shouldn't have any trouble finding people talking about these things.

Science keeps piercing the truth of every religion. My comment: It's really dumb to reason that for Christianity to be true, mutually exclusive religions must also be true.

When I start having issues of faith, it really helps me to read the lame reasoning of ex-Christians. PS, I hate Hillsong "music", therefor I'm happy he's not producing any more of that shallow dreck.

Oh...
I think that they will learn the hard way that they made a mistake.

Musicians love their music... often more so than they do God.
And today musical talent is not based on the things it used to be based upon. They are following the secular model of music. Which doesn't work for Christian music.

In secular music you have to have a voice, range, looks, and adaptability to what your promoters tell you. (For appeal to particular demographic)

Otherwise it's not relevant. You are a puppet of the label you sing for.

Christian music is similar...but not exactly the same. Just like certain artists and book writers have discovered...being a believer is VERY important for this market.

Dixie Chicks ought to be a lesson in how to destroy your own career to the point of not even getting a fast food job.

 

[Who Me]

Interesting that he doesn't give examples of the contradicts that no Christian can give a reasonable explanation for, nor does he talk about the conversations he's had with famous apologists that he would have access to.
In short as wintery knight comments about these cases, they are people whose rain is based on feelings and emotions and when rival feelings challenge there faith they have no intelligent bases for an and what they believe.

 

[Truthfrees]

The lead singer of a Christian rock band, Jon Steingard, and the son of a pastor just announced on Instagram that he no longer believes in God. There's a steady stream of modern Christian Music performers announcing they no longer believe. The stream is just the top of the iceberg (sorry to mix metaphors). For everyone who announces they no longer believe, there are more who quietly go away or continue in the industry pretending to believe.

Last year, Marty Sampson, a worship music writer, singer, and member of Hillsong which produces lot of the music used in churches today said this:

Time for some real talk. I’m genuinely losing my faith, and it doesn’t bother me. Like, what bothers me now is nothing. I am so happy now, so at peace with the world. My comment: A sane person leaving the faith would not happy about it. They would miss the hope that is in Christ and the fellowship with other Christians. Or, at least, they'd be sad with regret for the time they think they wasted in Christianity.

How many preachers fall? Many. No one talks about it. How many miracles happen. Not many. No one talks about it. Why is the Bible full of contradictions? No one talks about it. How can God be love yet send four billion people to a place, all ‘coz they don’t believe? No one talks about it. My comment: Anyone on this planet shouldn't have any trouble finding people talking about these things.

Science keeps piercing the truth of every religion. My comment: It's really dumb to reason that for Christianity to be true, mutually exclusive religions must also be true.

When I start having issues of faith, it really helps me to read the lame reasoning of ex-Christians. PS, I hate Hillsong "music", therefor I'm happy he's not producing any more of that shallow dreck.

it may have something to do with the pedophile ring and sexual abuse that was happening through leaders there

i suppose seeing the leaders do that stuff might shake a person's faith - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...songs-brian-houston-over-crimes-of-his-father

 

[Who Me]

it may have something to do with the pedophile ring and sexual abuse that was happening through leaders there

i suppose if christians see the leaders do that stuff it might shake a person's faith - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...songs-brian-houston-over-crimes-of-his-father

We are responsible for how we investigate what and why we believe.

I can understand if he was aware of these goings on then that would give cause to question his faith.
So what did he do to find answers?

If your maths teacher at school abuses you does that invalidate maths or make all teachers abusers? No it doesn't.

He and all Christians in the public eye are examples to other Christians. They are teachers whether they know it or not and as Jesus said they bear an extra responsibility to see that there example, there teaching does not harm vulnerable young Christians.

 

[Truthfrees]

We are responsible for how we investigate what and why we believe.

I can understand if he was aware of these goings on then that would give cause to question his faith.
So what did he do to find answers?

If your maths teacher at school abuses you does that invalidate maths or make all teachers abusers? No it doesn't.

He and all Christians in the public eye are examples to other Christians. They are teachers whether they know it or not and as Jesus said they bear an extra responsibility to see that there example, there teaching does not harm vulnerable young Christians.

let's be a living example of walking with God rather than walking with religion

 

[Tertul]

Interesting that he doesn't give examples of the contradicts that no Christian can give a reasonable explanation for, nor does he talk about the conversations he's had with famous apologists that he would have access to.
In short as wintery knight comments about these cases, they are people whose rain is based on feelings and emotions and when rival feelings challenge there faith they have no intelligent bases for an and what they believe.

I have a small hobby of reading articles by ex-Christians. They usually are long on emotion and short on substantive thought. You can expect a lot of atheist talking points in what they say: Why is there evil in the world? What about Bible contradictions? Christians are too judgmental. Etc.

Really, the guy never heard a Christian explanation for evil in the world? Has he never heard about freewill or the Fall? Then why didn't he say he's not satisfied with the Christian answer to why there is evil in the world? How can you even call anything evil if you don't believe in God? Without God, there are just things you don't like.

It seems that Christians who specialize in modern forms of Christian music are the most likely to reject the Faith. Maybe that's because they're younger than Gospel singers? Maybe that's because they're not so income-dependent to the Faith as are pastors. Maybe it's because modern Christian music is like caffeine rather than providing sustenance?

A greater issue is why are so many, all kinds of, people abandoning the Faith. A secular society plays a role, obviously. But, maybe the church is doing a very poor job giving Christians roots (which can bring us back to modern Christian music).

 

[Who Me]

that most people are affected by christians more than they are affected by God

the church is doing a very poor job giving Christians roots

Jesus did say that you will be My Witnesses!


It is to our shame that we do not seek to be more Christ like in our dealings with others.

I recommend what the coldcasechristianity site talks about, not teaching people, but training them.

 

[BoxOfficeRevolutionary]

Some young Christians I've talked to don't understand their place in the church today.

 

[Who Me]

Some young Christians I've talked to don't understand their place in the church today.

Sadly that is a failure on their churches leadership and the training they didn't do.

All church leaders should be seeking ways to involve there young people in the church.
A training scheme means it doesn't matter if they are not Christian as they will being trained in Christian evangelism etc.
That is far more involved and in depth than any 'teaching' programme.

 

[BoxOfficeRevolutionary]

How do you think the training should take place?